is AI the future of learning?
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13 days ago
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What do you think the personalized AI tutor everybody gets hyped about will actually look like or do? Do we have the capability already? is it even possible?
Viliam1234
13 days ago
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Generic questions usually don't have a good answer. It's like asking whether it is okay to learn from books. Depends on the book, and how you use it. There are certainly some horrible books out there. There are also good books. There are books that someone read once and expected to become a guru, when you actually had to do all the exercises.

Learning from AI requires certain skills. You need to ask the right kind of questions. You should use AI together with other sources of knowledge, not as a replacement for them. For example, you can read a book, and when you have an additional question, you can ask the AI. Or you can ask the AI first to provide you a high-level summary of a few books, so that you can choose the right one to read. You can try to solve a problem on your own, and afterwards ask the AI how it would do it. You can ask AI to comment on your solution, or to modify it.

It is not possible to learn while remaining completely passive. Ultimately, learning is an activity of your brain in response to the inputs you get; if you do no activity, there is no learning. But AI can give you the inputs you want, quickly. (Much faster than a search engine, which was a huge improvement over searching various catalogs, which were a huge improvement over clicking random links and hoping to arrive at something relevant.)

Maybe one day there will also be an AI tutor for lazy people, where you won't even have to ask the right questions, because it will be programmed to think for you. (It might contain a loop of asking itself what is the right question you should ask at this moment, and then giving you both the question and the answer.) I don't see a reason why such thing couldn't exist in principle, but I also expect the first few implementations to contain some big flaws.

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hudsonetkin
13 days ago
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Why would learning from an ai tutor be passive? it would be similar to learning from a human tutor no?
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cpach
13 days ago
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I think the comment already answers this.
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al_borland
13 days ago
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My question would be how to make an AI tutor that doesn’t become a crutch. If the answers are always at the student’s fingertips, the temptation to just get the answer is real and would lead to some of the more hard earned lessons being missed.

A good teacher or tutor should know when to let the student struggle a little bit so they can discover the answer on their own to create some self reliance and confidence.

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Matthew911
9 days ago
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Mankind doesn’t stand still. Every day, we make more and more discoveries and invent new technologies that improve our lives. ChatGPT is no exception to this. This incredible innovation has already stirred up everyone in the world, including those working in the education sector. Some of them are worried that the invention of ChatGPT will negatively affect the learning process, ensuring that students will stop trying in their studies. However, I am confident that this AI language model will only benefit them.(https://ivypanda.com/blog/why-students-teachers-should-get-e...)
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jc_811
13 days ago
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Current LLMs will always have to deal with garbage in, garbage out, issues. Perhaps in the future the industry will shift left and whoever is guaranteeing the data accuracy/quality that feeds the models will become increasingly more powerful
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falcor84
13 days ago
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I'll just note that GIGO is very much a problem with human teachers too. There is significantly less overlap than we'd like between the sets "Teaches X" and "Can successfully practice X".
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shivc
13 days ago
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Could very well be. Most real world learning is self paced and even the current tools like chatgpt have been great in helping with learning specific things.

They might not be a perfect model in all senses but for people who know how to use them well imo they are spot on.

The only caveat I see is that the person should at the very least understand how these ai tools work to leverage them properly, for example: if you have no idea where to start coding, you can get a roadmap and start working but knowing how chatgpt generates such a roadmap for you might help in optimizing prompts to get the best out of it.

hope this makes sense

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MR4D
13 days ago
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It’s already there in some respects.

This week on the Odd Lots podcast [0] there was an excellent interview with the founder of Duolingo who talks about how they use AI to personalize the learning for each user.

But even before that, we had adaptive tests. Not AI, but on the path to adaptive learning systems.

[0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-02/luis-von-...

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gmerc
13 days ago
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Pros: Ask questions without fear of being judged and scolded. Huge improvement for Asia and education culture.

Cons: - Jailbreaks enabling suicide ideation (huge issue in APAC) - Hallucinations - Dehumanisation and social isolation. Already the biggest issue we see from people entering the workforce is inability to navigate the workplace socially and to negotiate around conflict. LLMs are conflict avoiders.

- In the end this is commoditization. Poor people get AI tutors, rich kids get face time. PE splits the difference

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zero-sharp
13 days ago
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It's important to be able to get quick feedback on ideas and work. That's partly the role of the teacher, and it should be the role of the hypotherical AI tutor.
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gaiagraphia
13 days ago
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I'm currently 80% through building an interactive site for language teachers in Sveltekit; self-taught 90% by AI. Has taken like 4 months so far.

It was a dream of mine for ages to bring to life the courses I run in an online manner, and use it as a vehicle to help newly-qualified teachers. Without AI, it probably wouldn't have been possible.

For those who want to break out of the lot they've been dealt in life, AI could be a godsend when it comes to learning.

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_akhe
10 days ago
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Definitely. A natural language interface in front of any specific knowledge/info you can think of - why not? Also probably eats e-commerce, ordering at kiosks, creating art/music/entertainment, many forms of advice (legal, medical, personal).

LLM as a device fits so many use cases.

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sircastor
12 days ago
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The thing that an AI tutor will have to be able to do is intuit when it’s appropriate to give a student an answer, and when to provide direction. I suspect that it is more complex than “3 tries and provide the answer.”

A human does this through building a relationship and understanding how their pupil learns. I don’t know how an AI model will do it.

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m463
13 days ago
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I remember listening to Steve Martin doing comedy years ago.

He had one routine where he said it's fun to teach wrong...

See, what you do, you have a three-year-old kid and you want to play a dirty trick on them, whenever you're around them, you talk wrong. So now it's like his first day in school and he raises his hand. "May I mambo dogface to the banana patch?"

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romerocarlos
11 days ago
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I think we have made progress in this regard. AI has revolutionized many industries, and education is no exception. With AI-based tools, the education sector can now offer personalized learning experiences, automate administrative tasks and provide real-time information.
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nitwit005
13 days ago
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I think if you find yourself labeling something as hype, you should trust your own judgment, and assume it is just hype.
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hudsonetkin
13 days ago
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I think it's hyped but as a tutor I still see the potential, just not sure how we'd actually get there.
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james-revisoai
13 days ago
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I think it is. But there are levels to learning and approaches that tech can take. Speaking as a Psychology of learning and Comp Sci graduate.

For a long time we have had the capability to use student learning record data to recommend optimal questions to maximise student grades in a given subject(adaptive learning); we've known the best exercises and methods to apply this with, like quizzes/active recall (see Roediger & Karpicke, 2006) and increasingly, made interfaces that keep people in the zone.

The problem is, such systems have 3 challenges compared to a human experienced tutor/small group teacher:* - 1. It's not abstract. It can't identify misconceptions in your wrong answers like a human would and refocus new activities on these gaps. Doing this is very effective. I believe this is possible in the future, hence why I developed blurt mode, a learning exercise on my website Revision.ai which asks students to blurt content they have learned on a specific subject, rates their coverage and accuracy and most important identifies, clarifies and stores for future exercise content their knowledge gaps, by using AI tech to identify misconceptions in a way we could not do 4 years ago. - 2. An app will never truly check up on you socially or with social expectations of appearing in real life like a tutor; it's never as urgent. Staying engaged for 6-7 hours rarely happens either unlike real life with it's physical location constraints (which also have a role in memory formation and retrieval) - 3. The perfect app needs millions of student learning records that account for your specific experience and knowledge. This is not possible. While humans cannot do this either, intuition of teachers is lost with apps.

*Small groups/tutors can provide customised, targeted and long-term feedback which you feel a sense of accountability for responding to according to the research from Bloom, and is largely responsible for why wealth correlates with education with higher attenuation at the top quartile than the differences between the bottom three quartiles - paying for private tutoring really is a cheat to achieving more on grades (and therefore more opportunities), although whether it improves intelligence, is debatable(nobody agrees what intelligence is really, beyond some early G factor work that personally I do not see as that valid).

I think you should be careful using the word "personalized" too - one, it is a popsci buzz word, and two, and consider "adaptive" instead - they have different meanings in the psychology of learning and like I address above, the personal aspect are mostly confined to humans.

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reify
13 days ago
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The old matrix quote;

"Never send a human to do a machine's job"

A better alternative:

Apply some AI!

Actual Intelligence!

go to the library and read some books.

get a masters degree by reading some books.

In fact just read books.

The lost art of reading books.

The lost art of being human.

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bamboozled
13 days ago
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Why would I read books when I am just look at the gram ? It’s such an easy safe way to get a dopamine hit.
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hudsonetkin
13 days ago
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I feel like that works for the naturally smarter students who can learn and grasp concepts on their own, but the majority need individual attention to learn better, especially in K12
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gnz11
13 days ago
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Nothing wrong with books, you just can’t ask them direct questions.
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purple-leafy
13 days ago
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Hope not.

Instead id like an LLM to point me to relevant hard fact written by a human on a subject, be that text book or some other long form content.

LLMs spit out crap constantly.

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