They Live
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13 days ago
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beagle3
13 days ago
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The short story it is based on can be found here:

https://pvto.weebly.com/uploads/9/1/5/0/91508780/eight_o’clo...

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mcculley
13 days ago
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This movie is great overall, in my opinion, but I always chuckle when I think about it because I had no idea about Roddy Piper’s wrestling fame and there is a scene where he fights Keith David that is just silly and I had no idea why it was in there until later.
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peteforde
13 days ago
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Unsubtle but ahead-of-its-time media analysis + most absurd fight scene ever. Worth a watch with a drink and some good friends.
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panarky
12 days ago
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What's really absurd is how hard we fight to view the world only through our own ideologies.
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mindcrime
13 days ago
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I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubble gum. -- Nada
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doener
13 days ago
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Fun fact: Roddy Piper's line was originally intended for a match against wrestling fighter Playboy Buddy Rose (1952-2009). (Source: "In Search of Darkness" documentary.)
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andrewstuart
13 days ago
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John Carpenter made some good movies some great movies, some truly shit movies, and one of the greatest movies ever - one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time (The Thing).

Story and script seem to be the defining factor in making a great movie.

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riffraff
13 days ago
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That is a very, very good way of stating way of stating a fact that I 100% agree with.

Although my favorite would probably be In The Mouth of Madness, because I saw that at a better point in my life.

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penfolder
13 days ago
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Same here, The Thing is an absolute masterpiece. What are the rest of your 3?
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andrewstuart
13 days ago
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Alien and Star Wars of course.
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Jgrubb
13 days ago
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What are his shit movies?, I’m not aware of any but need to check them out.
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rado
13 days ago
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Me too. The worst I’ve seen from him is average/meh, never shit. I liked the much maligned “Ghosts of Mars”, a kick ass action movie with a twist on his usual anti-conformist work; now a couple of polar opposite archetypes must act together.
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andrewstuart
13 days ago
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I hated ghost of mars and prince of darkness.
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justin66
13 days ago
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I believe Prince of Darkness is the one that had (incidental to everything else, not an important plot point) a possessed Alice Cooper impale a guy with a bicycle. If that’s not enough to move a film out of the doghouse…
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Anon4Now
13 days ago
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Redditor /u/SanderSo47 posts a weekly analysis called "Directors at the Box Office". Last week they covered John Carpenter:

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1cepji9/director...

I was surprised to find out that most of his movies were box office failures. Didn't matter to me, though. They weren't critically acclaimed, but they were a lot of fun.

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mingus88
13 days ago
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Yeah he is a legend in the horror and sci-fi genres but neither of which are too lucrative

We get what we deserve. Nowadays if your movie is not PG-13, a franchise, or both it’s tough to get financing so these original and unique works have pretty much died out

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palad1n
13 days ago
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Is this of special significance today?
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surprisetalk
13 days ago
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> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

Anything that "gratifies one's intellectual curiosity" is on-topic on HN :)

Wikipedia happens to be a great neutral resource to share curious media/phenomena that others might not know about.

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Hizonner
13 days ago
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I saw that movie when it came out, and it did not gratify my intellectual curiosity.
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gatlin
12 days ago
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Shame, it's a brilliant film.
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effingwewt
12 days ago
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Maybe try again? I saw it many times as a child and rewatch it every few years.

Feels more prescient every time.

Still, options will differ.

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derstander
13 days ago
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> Anything that "gratifies one's intellectual curiosity" is on-topic on HN :)

Yeah — sure. But I’m with the parent comment to which you replied. Sometimes I’m not sure if I’m just coming across one of todays “lucky 10,000” [0] or if there’s another reason why something old has resurfaced and, if it’s the latter, it’d be nice to know the context.

[0] https://xkcd.com/1053/

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arnaudsm
13 days ago
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The best way to farm karma on HN is to post a random Wikipedia article every day
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matthewsinclair
13 days ago
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Y’know, I see these random Wikipedia articles come up every day or so on the front page and wonder what is going on.

I thought they were organic at first but then I got skeptical and wondered if it was some vestige of the early days of HN where it was automatically injecting a random article to bolster content.

The other thing I thought could be happening was that there is an article on the front page in a particular topic, someone reads it finds a novel topic and then thinks to themself: “I know! I can post a Wikipedia article on that topic and farm some karma”.

Who knows.

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dvh
13 days ago
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I've posted this and nothing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40106956
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CPLX
13 days ago
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I mean assuming the articles are well chosen that seems like a public service
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HPsquared
13 days ago
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Aligned incentives.
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kevindamm
13 days ago
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..and if they aren't well chosen, they should drift off the front page soon enough
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penfolder
13 days ago
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Dumb question. What advantage is there to having hn karma?
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efitz
12 days ago
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I learned from social media that having bigger numbers is better; it means that you are a better person.
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arnaudsm
13 days ago
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After 500 you're allowed to downvote
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arduanika
13 days ago
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Unclear. Maybe there's a bubble gum shortage.
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joeatwork
13 days ago
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This movie is a lot of fun, and a great window into its moment.
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spacemadness
12 days ago
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Why are so many posts being upvoted that are nothing but links to Wikipedia articles?
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akira2501
13 days ago
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Which gave birth to Cripple Fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cripple_Fight

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newzisforsukas
13 days ago
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effingwewt
12 days ago
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Wow I had no idea! Too good, time to rewatch both!
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owlstuffing
13 days ago
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Obey Consume Go to sleep Conform
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LightBug1
13 days ago
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Finally ... a use case for current state of the art AR ...

1) Tag boss and other questionable associates through They Live filter.

2) Put glasses on.

3) Chew Gum

4) End Gum

5) Run Kick Ass automation.

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muppetman
13 days ago
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This movie really shook me when I watched it as a kid.
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fifteen1506
13 days ago
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SPOILER

Ya, the hero died at the end. I kept expecting him to come back to the very end.

EDIT: edited due to downvotes. Come on!

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ChrisMarshallNY
13 days ago
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Roddy Piper has passed. Apparently, many professional wrestlers die early.
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harry8
13 days ago
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Is that due to the prevalence of steroid usage? Do we know?
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silverquiet
13 days ago
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Given the prevalence of heart failure, I'd say that is almost certainly the primary cause, but it's a pretty hard-living profession where excess is encouraged in almost every way, which can be quite hard on the body generally. Joint replacements are very common - Hulk Hogan had both hips and knees replaced in his 50's as an example.
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ChrisMarshallNY
13 days ago
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I think that it's a pretty grueling vocation.

John Oliver actually did a piece on it, and that was fairly revealing[0].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8UQ4O7UiDs

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zagrebian
13 days ago
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Watched it last year. The premise is great, but I thought that the acting was very poor.
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kls0e
13 days ago
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Roddy Piper has the best Jeans.
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xnx
13 days ago
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"put the glasses on" is a distant ancestor to "red pilled"
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MrSkelter
13 days ago
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Not so distant. The films are only a decade apart and They Live was hugely influential.
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permo-w
13 days ago
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with arguably inverse political implications
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penfolder
13 days ago
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How would you argue they're inverse?
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mindslight
13 days ago
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The idea of poking holes in official dogma is novel for the right, and so the reactionaries have adopted the "red pill" symbolism. This causes many to associate the two, especially those newly enamored with the concept after having seen through their first layer of the memetic prison.
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weare138
12 days ago
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I don't think I even want to ask what the hell 'memetic prison' means.
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mindslight
12 days ago
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That's fine. Just if later in life you come to a revelation that does make the term click for you, do yourself a favor and make sure you keep going with the questioning rather than taking your newly altered model as unassailable truth and thinking you're out.
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permo-w
12 days ago
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red pill is a right-wing notion, put the glasses on is a left-wing one
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Sincere6066
13 days ago
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What about it?
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didgetmaster
13 days ago
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Saw the move years ago. The acting was not great, but the very end was hard to swallow.

The 'hero' gets to the roof where he has a clear shot to destroy the transmitter (apparently sophisticated aliens with teleporting technology can't be bothered with simple redundancy so they have a single point of failure), but stops to ask his girlfriend if she is 'clear' even though she is standing way behind him. This gives her a chance to shoot him and almost stops him from destroying it before he dies.

Anyone watching has to roll their eyes at whoever wrote that scene.

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efitz
12 days ago
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I have to roll my eyes at anyone who not only spoils the movie’s climax but gives the blow by blow in detail.
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didgetmaster
12 days ago
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I have to roll my eyes at someone who thinks critieking a 30 year old movie is somehow 'spoiling' it.
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ElCapitanMarkla
13 days ago
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Best fight scene ever
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owlstuffing
13 days ago
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They do indeed.
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cess11
13 days ago
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One of Carpenter's best, and one of the best 'capitalists dressed up as aliens'-movies.
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fifteen1506
13 days ago
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Is that a real category?
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ChrisMarshallNY
13 days ago
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The Arrival[0] (not Arrival) was like that.

[0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/

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mk_stjames
12 days ago
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This is an absolutely fantastic movie that I recommend all the time and people think I'm joking but I'm not.

It's a bit low budget but the story is legit and Sheen does a pretty good job with it IMO.

There is some radio astronomy techno jargon which is surprisingly accurate as well and maybe that is why I like it so much.

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mentalgear
13 days ago
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Haha, it should be! If it is, "Landscape with Invisible Hand" is certainly one of the genre's best!
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cess11
13 days ago
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No, like every other category it's made up.

Another of my favourites in this category is Save the Green Planet!, though it's not as family friendly as Carpenter's take on it.

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Findeton
13 days ago
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A capitalist success ($4m bugdet, $13.4m return).
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cess11
13 days ago
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Not sure what you mean. Could you name the capitalists to whom that revenue was so important?
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Findeton
13 days ago
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Maybe Carpenter himself? Who knows, the fact is that it had a large return on capital, so it's a capitalist success.
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cess11
13 days ago
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Are you using money and capital as synonyms? Do you consider every society with money a capitalist society?
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euroderf
13 days ago
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When I think about how well terraforming is proceeding, I think of this film. Our planet is just another input.
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iammjm
13 days ago
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Great movie. Zizek's "A pervert's guide to ideology" got me hooked on it.
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rogue7
12 days ago
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Same here. _I already am eating from the trash can all the time_

https://youtu.be/oBcFLmu_tlc

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mjfl
13 days ago
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Haven't seen the film. But the concept reminds me of the Israel Palestine situation in the US.
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scandox
13 days ago
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> In 2017, in response to neo-Nazi interpretations of the film's themes, Carpenter further clarified that the film "is about yuppies and unrestrained capitalism" and "has nothing to do with Jewish control of the world".
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eggy
13 days ago
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Yes, Carpenter made it to be about yuppies and unrestrained capitalism in 1988, however, art from the viewer's perspective 36 years later, can mean something different for that viewer or any other. Personally, I don't see the neo-Nazi and Jewish control of the world angle, but the way the media has sold the Palestine-Israel conflict, the passing of the redundant, free-speech-limiting, Antisemitism bill recently, and with thousands of Jews in the US and Israel protesting for a cease fire, and the thousands of police unleased on US college campus protestors, it can have a different interpretation. In 1985 Columbia students occupied the same hall for 3 weeks, and it led to Columbia's divestment from South Africa's apartheid regime, but most Americans under 35 or so, don't have historical depth. They sway in the wind of the media's hot air. For me, putting the glasses on or being red pilled, today makes the film applicable to a host of viewpoints, and not the cliche yuppy / capitalist trope even if that was sincerely John Carpenter's intention as an auteur. Sure, the acting is bad, and the late 80s coloring makes it seem a dinosaur to today's high-tech, SFX, CGI-addicted, chop-editing audience. I guess I am old. I love it. I also loved watching Wood Allen's 1973 film "Sleeper" for about the 7th time last month.
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HumanProtractor
13 days ago
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To be fair, when asked he had to say that. Many people think it's obviously about Jews, seeing as how the 'aliens' are in control mainly of banks and the media.

Had he answered any other way, his career would have been over and he might have been killed.

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mindslight
13 days ago
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My uncle knew a guy who knew a guy who converted his car to run on pure water, but after word got around the oil companies killed him and burnt down his workshop.
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mjfl
13 days ago
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I said it reminds me personally.
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penfolder
13 days ago
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You probably need to see the film then.
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