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10 months ago

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Tragically it appears that out of 181 onboard only two have survived. If true, this would be South Korea’s worst domestic civil aviation disaster. [1][2]

[1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241229001054315 [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/29/south-kor...

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shepherdjerred

10 months ago

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After watching the video it’s amazing that anyone survived

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cyberlimerence

10 months ago

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Apparently two survivors are the crew members who were at the tail section. Even if (big if) their physical injuries are not critical, they are likely permanently psychologically scarred. I somehow doubt you can continue working in an airline after that.

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andaja

10 months ago

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“ a Serbian flight attendant who survived the highest fall without a parachute: 10.16 kilometres (6.31 miles) or 33,338 feet … She had little to no memory of the incident and had no qualms about flying in the aftermath of the crash. Despite her willingness to resume work as a flight attendant, Jat Airways (JAT) gave her a desk job negotiating freight contracts, feeling her presence on flights would attract too much publicity.“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87

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potato3732842

10 months ago

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Not everyone is that fragile.

A lot of people would assume that their odds of being involved in two crashes are basically zero and go on working.

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snozolli

10 months ago

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A lot of people would assume that their odds of being involved in two crashes

Their odds?! These are crew members. They likely looked a good number of these people in the eye and interacted with them before seeing them all violently killed in front of them. That's a profoundly traumatizing experience.

Additionally, our brains aren't wired for odds. A veteran is unlikely to be hit by artillery in the US, but that doesn't stop them having PTSD episodes when fireworks go off.

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HeatrayEnjoyer

10 months ago

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Fragile? Did you watch the video?

How bad must it be for you?

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drowsspa

10 months ago

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Some other people would recognize that the failures are basically independent, so their odds of getting in another accident is the same.

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daedrdev

10 months ago

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Its probably not entirely independent, anyone who knows these two were the only survivors of a crash will probably work to ensure things are extra careful unconsciously

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IAmGraydon

10 months ago

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To the contrary, the psychological reaction is likely “If the nearly impossible could happen to me, the chances are much higher than I thought.” It may not be correct, but traumatic experiences don’t exactly lead to rational thought.

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CapcomGo

10 months ago

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Interesting use of fragile - you must be an aviation accident survivor? I would love to hear the details!

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drowsspa

10 months ago

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Yeah, calling "fragile" someone who's afraid after an airplane crash has to be peak Hacker News

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RealityVoid

10 months ago

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To be fair, the way he worded it called them NOT fragile. I think he has a point. We don't know how they are mentally, some might be fine, some might be not. Ascribing the way we think we would feel about it to the survivors feels wrong somehow.

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nicce

10 months ago

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Would it be reasonable to increase the length of the runway (or longer non-blocking area) based on these incidents, even if they are extremely rare.

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EthicalSimilar

10 months ago

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Do gravel traps work with planes..?

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kashunstva

10 months ago

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Engineered Material Arresting System (EMAS) are installed in the overrun area of many but certainly not all runways. No idea about this airport. And I’m not sure how effective EMAS is in a gear-up landing such as this accident.

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orbital-decay

10 months ago

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EMAS does not help in a belly landing at all. It's engineered to be crushed by the wheels.

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cjrp

10 months ago

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