Swearing as a Response to Pain: Assessing Effects of Novel Swear Words
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somedude895
1 hour ago
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For the past few years I've made a conscious effort to not use swear words like "fucking" and "shit" casually. I feel like if they're overused they lose their power, to yourself and to others around you. Everyone of us knows that guy or girl that never normally swears, so then when they do you know it's serious.
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xarope
43 minutes ago
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As a kid, I vaguely remember appropriating some that I thought were from Tin Tin/Captain Haddock, but when I look in the list[1], I don't recognize my favorites :-(.

[1] https://tintin.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Captain_Haddock%27s_C...

[edit] holy mackerel, you odd-toed ungulate, I found some!

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MattPalmer1086
11 hours ago
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At school my German teacher loved to teach us the longest swear word in German (or so he claimed). He would illustrate it by pretending he hit his thumb with a hammer, and then he would let out this wonderful long stream of invective, but which is one word in German. He would then translate it all for us.

No idea if it helps with hitting your thumb with a hammer, but memorable teaching!

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MisterTea
10 hours ago
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> longest swear word in German

Inquiring minds want to know...

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schandmaul
1 hour ago
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Himmi Herrgott Sackl Zement Zefix Halleluja Mi Leckst Am Oarsch Scheiss Glump Faregets

Edit: It‘s irrelevant if you write it as one word, you certainly say it as one.

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thaumasiotes
26 minutes ago
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> It‘s irrelevant if you write it as one word, you certainly say it as one.

True, but you say everything as one word. You produce "It's irrelevant if you write it as one word" as one word. It has substitutable parts, which is also true of German compound words.

People are shockingly gullible about the fact that compound nouns in German are written without spaces while the grammatically identical compound nouns that are so common in English are written with them, as if spaces occurred in speech.

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MattPalmer1086
10 hours ago
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I wish I could remember. Words in German can be long as they are composed of other words. It was along the lines of thunder and lightning and terrible storms blight you! But I think there was a bit more to it than that.

EDIT; and the teacher may have made the entire thing up of course! Loved his lessons.

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vincent-manis
7 hours ago
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Untergrundbahnhofzeitschriftsplatz: Subway station newspaper stand
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chrisweekly
4 hours ago
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The root primitives are so easy to discern and interpret: under,ground, train,yard time,writing place
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nothrabannosir
3 hours ago
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(Bahn is more like track, not train)
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cubefox
10 hours ago
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By the way, English also has compound nouns, only they are sometimes written with spaces and sometimes without. Sometimes even with dashes. E.g. compare "coalmine" and "file name". Compound nouns can get arbitrarily long too, e.g. "file name length limit history blog post introduction".
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sib
8 hours ago
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While English has compound nouns, they are different in that they are not (generally) single words.

For example, the lovely and memorable

Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft

would be translated into something like

"Association for Subordinate Officials of the Main Maintenance Building of the Danube Steamboat Shipping Company"

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knome
3 hours ago
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Squashing "danube steamboat shipping company electric services main maintenance building subordinate officials association" into a single word vs leaving it spaced out is kind of irrelevant. It's like getting excited over PascalCase vs snake_case.
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swinglock
1 hour ago
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Instead try for example "washing machine motor" and you'll find it's a feature fixing issues with clarity, not a style preference.
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philwelch
7 hours ago
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It just takes longer to standardize them but English absolutely has compound single words. Examples include “folklore”, “pancake”, “manslaughter”, “oatmeal”, “pocketknife”, and “gunman”.
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TulliusCicero
6 hours ago
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Right, they're just typically limited to two subwords.
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sib
4 hours ago
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And you can't typically just make them up as you go along and have them accepted as "words."
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philwelch
2 hours ago
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Albeit rare, triple compound words are nonetheless commonly used and recognized in English. Many of them sound formal and archaic but they are nevertheless still in common usage nowadays, not merely a relic of the days of highwaymen and crossbowmen. The archaic examples heretofore used notwithstanding, it would be false to claim that there are no triple compound words whatsoever.

(Inasmuch as I've made my point, I will spare you any further woebegone prose.)

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SoftTalker
10 hours ago
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And they work as swears too.

Goddamnmotherfuckingsonofabitch

etc.

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cubefox
9 hours ago
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Though I believe that's technically not a compound noun. (Fun fact: "compound noun" is a compound noun.)
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techdmn
10 hours ago
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Many years ago, my daughter (maybe six at the time), lost something semi-important to her, I don't recall what. I think it might have been her username / pictorial password card for her school network account. Anyway, we were looking for it, and she said "Dad, dad, I don't know where it is, I feel like I'm going to say a bad word".

I, having just read an article like this, said "That's ok, sometimes saying a bad word can help you process your emotions and feel less stressed. Do you want to go down to the basement where nobody can hear you, and say the bad word?"

"Yes". She goes down the stairs, I close the door, and she yells at the top of her lungs: "I can't fucking find it!". I managed not to laugh, she comes back up, "Do you feel better?" "Yes." Great moments in parenting. :-) (We did eventually find whatever it was.)

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jacobgkau
8 hours ago
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To think, you could've taken that opportunity to point out to her that saying the bad word didn't actually help her find it. Or you could've told her immediately that you heard her through the door because she yelled. Instead, you raised a casual swearer who's unaware of her surroundings. I hope nobody ever has to live in an apartment next to her.
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qualeed
7 hours ago
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It's comments like this that really make participating on this forum not fun.

It's a cute story. Fuck is just a word. They aren't going to grow up to be a bad person because they said it as a kid, and it's wild to say stuff like this to someone when you have literally no other context about their life or upbringing.

Your weird negativity to a stranger and implying they aren't doing a good job parenting based on them sharing a couple sentence long story is, in my opinion, a worse character trait than saying fuck every now and again. You have 0 idea what kind of kid they are raising.

Oh the horror of a "casual swearer"!

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gsinclair
7 hours ago
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Praise be to this comment!
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galaxyLogic
6 hours ago
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There are T-shirts that say "Fuck You You Fucking Fuck!".

See: https://www.etsy.com/market/fuck_you_you_fucking

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lxe
2 hours ago
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Sir, this isn't Instagram
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sunrunner
7 hours ago
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> saying the bad word didn't actually help her find it

Any proof of this?

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phantomathkg
3 hours ago
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So this is like a more rigorously version of Mythbusters' No Pain, No Gain test then.
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ascorbic
1 hour ago
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The MythBusters test was inspired by an earlier study. It's quite a well-studied effect now. Here's a review of the literature: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10....
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fracus
2 hours ago
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Mythbusters shouldn't have ended when it did. I wish all 5 of them could have made an arrangement where it could continue.
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carpo
7 hours ago
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When my kids were younger I tried to to replace my swearing by saying "sugarplum fairies". It was fairly successful in becoming a natural replacement. However, the other day I kicked my toe really badly and instinctively yelled "sugarplum FUCKING fairies" and my kids (now early teen) found it extremely funny.
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dtgriscom
6 hours ago
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I spent two years of high school learning Russian. I can't remember much of it, except the section of the alphabet that sounds like swearing: р, с, т, у, ф, х (pronounced, approximately, and with feeling: "er ess teh, oo eff HAH").
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neoden
2 hours ago
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Oh, Russian is exceptionally well built for swearing. It provides possibilities barely imaginable from the perspective of languages such as English because of how mutable and composable word structure is. With roughly the same base set of 3-4 swear words the actual number of different forms that could be used goes to thousands and is hard to count, each word having its own shade of meaning and sometimes many more than one.
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lxe
2 hours ago
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This was the first paper I read almost to completion. What a fascinating read. It's cool to see the hypotheses be refuted through experimentation. TL;DR: twizpipe and fouch don't help with pain, while "fuck" does.
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goopypoop
7 hours ago
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Can I swear in pain enough to Clockwork Orange myself? Could prove cheaper than the fucking swear jarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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kulahan
6 hours ago
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I read once that there is a common structure to swear words. If you think about it, fuck, cunt, shit, crap - they all have kiiind of a similar vocal feeling.

I wonder if different fake swear words may have had a different outcome.

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anoncow
9 hours ago
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There is also an impact of swear words on pleasure. Also on strength and performance - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S14690...
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timewizard
11 hours ago
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Anecdotally I find swearing makes it worse. Now I just saw "ow!" or "that hurt!" Which honestly feels like it synchronizes my brain past the insult and I can move on much faster past it.
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ethan_smith
7 hours ago
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This matches research on pain catastrophizing vs. neutralizing - your approach of acknowledging pain directly without emotional amplification may be activating different neural pathways than those enhanced by taboo-word usage.
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MisterTea
10 hours ago
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Similar: I say something amusing/funny, e.g. I hit my head on a piece of metal and yelled "ah ya mother was a tin can you metal bastard" which breaks your thought from the pain. Screaming fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu... only keeps you focused.
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chrisweekly
4 hours ago
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hahaha, I'm going to try this
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Supermancho
2 hours ago
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In primates there are commonly 3 noises as a reaction to danger.

Initially the work from the 70s-80s on vervet monkeys https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7433999/ which was then found to be generalized for a host of other primates

~1 for danger in the air

~1 for danger on the ground

misc for unspecified danger

I would bet that modern swearing maps to these calls in a less specific way. Equivalents of "this shite" "that arsehole" and "damnnit" may have an evolutionary origin.

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kulahan
6 hours ago
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I use a mix of both, but when I’m in really serious pain, I also find it’s more effective when I’m just like “Wew. WOW. Yeah that’s pretty good there. Phew. Wow. WOOOW.”

I dunno why, but wow seems to work well for me.

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1317
3 hours ago
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See also this wonderful video with Stephen Fry and Brian Blessed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2eWDmUl4_Y
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Finnucane
11 hours ago
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You'll sing a different tune when you're getting fouched in the twizpipe.
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codeulike
11 hours ago
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Twizpipe
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slig
11 hours ago
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Anecdotally, I find swearing in German and Italian satisfying and people around usually don't understand, so no issues there.
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pif
9 hours ago
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I had been working at CERN for a bit less than a year, when my Russo-Israelian coworker, who had never visited Italy, erupted in a perfect "Porca puttana!" that made me question my manners in the office.
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fuzzy_biscuit
9 hours ago
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I swear in Italian and Russian. Great minds think alike!
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slowmovintarget
10 hours ago
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"Glenfarclas!" I frequently exclaim to the bewilderment of my child.
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IAmBroom
10 hours ago
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There's a lovely story of a dad who's wife said, "Lil Johhny said a bad word today. Go talk to him." Or something to that effect.

"Johnny, Momma tells me you said X. That's pretty bad, but at least you didn't say the worst word..."

"What's that?" "Can't tell you!" <negotiations> "OK, but you have to PROMISE you'll never say it in front of Momma. It's <whispers> booglashek."

Next day, all his friends were over, calling each other booglasheks.

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smitelli
9 hours ago
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Percy Livermore: We must rid our speech of slang. Now, besides "OK", I want you all to promise me that there are two words that you will never use. One of these is "swell" and the other one is "lousy".

Lucy Ricardo: OK, what are they?

Percy Livermore: [with emphasis] One of them is "swell" and the other one is "lousy".

Fred Mertz: Well, give us the lousy one first.

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EvanAnderson
8 hours ago
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I spelled around my daughter. This worked until, between 3 and 4 y/o, she asked a preschool teacher what "F-U-C-K" spelled. The teacher asked where she'd heard it and she said her father spelled it a lot.
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mjanx123
11 hours ago
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The origin of language
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adammarples
8 hours ago
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What the jiggins!
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layer8
10 hours ago
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(2020)
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throwaheyy
10 hours ago
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"Theres a fucking goat outside."

"No, it's just 'a goat'."

"No! It's a fucking goat!"

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chrisweekly
4 hours ago
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what do you call...

a deer with no eyes? no idea

a deer w no eyes and no front legs? still no idea

a deer with no eyes, no front legs, and no balls? still no fucking idea

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hn_go_brrrrr
2 hours ago
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This joke only works in the right accent, where "idea" is prounced "idear".
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ascorbic
1 hour ago
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Or non-rhotic accents, where neither have the final R sound
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irrational
8 hours ago
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Personally I’m more into sheep, but I won’t kink shame.
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goopypoop
6 hours ago
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Inside you there are two fucking wolves
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