Firefox Has Moved to Firefox.com
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2 days ago
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firesteelrain
2 days ago
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It was on Mozilla.org before redirecting to getfirefox.com. Now, Mozilla has acquired Firefox.com and that’s the new canonical home.

See

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37279788

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altairprime
2 days ago
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When did Firefox Sync start using accounts.firefox.com for their login site? One assumes they’ve owned it since at least then, if not before. https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Amozilla-firefox%2Ffirefox... says 2014? So probably earlier than that, though I don't know for sure when.
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Hansenq
2 days ago
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Seems like up until last month firefox.com redirected to mozilla.org/firefox. Now they're finally using their .com domain!

https://web.archive.org/web/20250201000000*/firefox.com

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AdmiralAsshat
2 days ago
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It was always getfirefox.com for many years. Was someone simply squatting on the firefox.com domain and asking some exorbitant price from Mozilla to relinquish it?
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xaerise
2 days ago
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It was owned by a UK company called Firefox. They actually linked to both Mozilla and Get Firefox for many years as a landing page.

When the company shut down, the owner owned it and redirected it to getfirefox.com instead of making a profit from it.

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Traubenfuchs
2 days ago
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That‘s… commendable… or foolish?

I would have rented or sold it to the highest bidder.

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bryanlarsen
2 days ago
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Whoever you sold it to would have to have a valid Firefox trademark in a different field like the original owner did, or Firefox would be to snag it via a trademark lawsuit.

Or you could sell it to a malware site, who would lose it fairly quickly but might be able to make some cash in the meantime. I can't imagine they'd earn much though. The old firefox.com didn't have Google juice until after the transition.

The only value in the firefox.com domain is the ability to shake down Mozilla for a sum less than the cost of filing a trademark lawsuit. Which is significant, but not extremely so.

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mtmail
2 days ago
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https://nissan.com/ even after his death didn't sell out to the car manufacturer (https://www.nissan-global.com/).
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fencepost
2 days ago
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Now just has a memorial page for him. Not sure if it'd qualify as an Internet version of a "spite house" but it doesn't seem that far off.
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cAtte_
2 days ago
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would be pretty difficult to sell out while dead
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rafark
2 days ago
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But Firefox is a for profit company worth millions? Why would you just donate it like that to a corporation? For the longest time I thought Mozilla was a non profit org but it doesn’t seem to be the case and they have millions in the bank? I would sell it for a fair price for both parties.
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jjmarr
2 days ago
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Mozilla Corporation is a for-profit entity wholly owned by the Mozilla Foundation. That's why they can keep lots of cash on hand and reinvest it into the business.
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ToucanLoucan
2 days ago
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It's my experience that people who look for a way to profit off of every situation they encounter are usually both wealthier than me and also generally quite miserable, lonely folks. Also ironically, they usually are only as wealthy as they are due to generosity given to them earlier in life they would never give to others.

Not said with judgement, just observing.

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jacobgkau
2 days ago
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> Not said with judgement, just observing.

Seems more like speculating than observing. Unless you can elaborate on what proof you have that each of the individuals you've "observed" (which doesn't include GP) were lonely and had handouts.

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ajkjk
2 days ago
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In this day and age anyone going against profit motive is commendable. the default is "fuck people over but not care because you're abstracted away from them". It's the tragedy of our times. Big respect for anyone who's willing to fight it.
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imjonse
2 days ago
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many times it is rationalized as "fuck people over because even if I don't, someone else will, so I might as well be the one to profit". An attitude that scales well from individuals to big corporations.
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nicce
2 days ago
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I think you don’t find many billionaires with opposite ideology.
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ajkjk
2 days ago
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That's what makes not doing it moral
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yogorenapan
2 days ago
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And what, have it serve as malware/phishing? Thankfully most people still seem to have morals and not fallen prey to pure capitalism
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Traubenfuchs
2 days ago
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You are thinking all wrong, I wouldn't want to connect some hardcore wirefraud to myself.

I would have found someone on upwork to write me a firefox fork that contains a crypto miner.

The website would have some small print checkbox, making end users actively consent to mining crypto as payment for using the browser for free.

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Daviey
2 days ago
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Pretty good place to download Chrome or IE, depending who bought it.
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nicce
2 days ago
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Looking for Firefox? Sorry, it has been officially discontinued. Here is something better.
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firefax
2 days ago
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>I would have rented or sold it to the highest bidder.

Do you also steal from the library? Mozilla isn't some big bad corporation.

Personally, I'd be a little wary of pissing off the hackers who are fans of that browser using my meatspace name, but hey, you do you. Maybe when you're done you can stroll on down to the local motorcycle bar and kick over some Harleys and see how far that takes you in life.

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Gud
2 days ago
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Relax dude, it’s just a domain name
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Traubenfuchs
2 days ago
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The Firefox gang's about to bust my kneecaps.
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firefax
1 day ago
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Dear lord, I certainly wouldn't want to be some kind of shadowy open source egregore making people unsafe offline... I don't think there's some kind of squad of Stallman level open source types who would Batman you away. That's a ridiculous idea and I'm sorry I made you think that!

The only time anything close to busting kneecaps came during an internshipc I had at Firefox in the bay area years ago after a nearby homeless man declaring that he "loved firefox because firefox "doesn't murder the homelss". (You learn all sorts of things when you speak to the users!)

Me being me, I joking asked "Does Chrome murder the homeless?" (The Chrome team had recently moved into the same office building and begun poaching people while throwing pity parties on Twitter if no one showed up at their office because they made a stupid cake.)

Anyways, long story short there were some very fucked up Chrometerns that summer, and apparently there was a literal rumble when one of them instinctively ran towards Sutter Gutter when someone tried to beat them up for no reason. So it's just after last call, bunch of firefox shirts stumble out and... well I'm pretty sure we're past the statue of limitations, but a chrometern got his ass kicked, badly, and transferred down to Mountain View because they were very suddenly aware that homeless people are... people. They talk. And when you try to beat one of them up and get run off... now you're suddenly aware there's quite a lot of homelessness in San Francisco and maybe you were walking home safely because up until that point, you hadn't been an asshole to people.

Anyways, no, there is no Firefox gang, just a collection of people who happen to use a particular web browser. (And no, I don't work for Firefox)

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mwcz
2 days ago
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Am I the only one with deja vu? I distinctly remember a story, shortly after Firefox's initial launch, of a firefox.com domain owner gifting it to Mozilla. Maybe it was getfirefox.com and I'm just getting old and confused.
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globular-toast
2 days ago
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Where was it before? Been using Firefox non stop for 20 years but last time I went to the website was probably when I still used Windows XP.
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tech234a
2 days ago
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I always liked https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/ but that's not the primary consumer page.
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aspenmayer
2 days ago
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I hear that they don’t embed tracking metadata in those builds on the FTP, but I haven’t confirmed that.

The normal download page embeds a unique tracking alphanumeric string in your build that is reported to the organization on a regular basis when the telemetry phones home unless you disable this manually and clear the values.

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HelloUsername
2 days ago
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> I hear that they don’t embed tracking metadata in those builds on the FTP, but I haven’t confirmed that.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1677497#c0

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aspenmayer
2 days ago
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Thanks for that authoritative source.

Is Firefox a honeypot? I can’t see how this serves the user. All telemetry should be opt-in, not opt-out.

We want failsafe, not faildeadly.

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jchw
2 days ago
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I believe it was getfirefox.com, which I remember primarily from adding banners to websites I ran back in the day. I forgot who previously owned firefox.com but I recall them adding a link to getfirefox.com on it back in the day.
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rafram
2 days ago
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notfed
2 days ago
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In other words, the download page used to be:

    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
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jraph
2 days ago
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And mozilla-europe.org in Europe for some reason, a long time ago at least.

At a time when you'd also install spybot and ccleaner.

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Insanity
2 days ago
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Yeah same.. I have no clue where it was hosted and been using it for 2 decades too.
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TheLML
2 days ago
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Last time I downloaded it it must've been the mozilla website
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geor9e
2 days ago
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People will still search "firefox" and click the first Bing Search Paid Ad to install it
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pmdr
2 days ago
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So now we can finally expect marketshare to explode all the way up to 3%?
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bobsoap
2 days ago
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Finally! No more "You know, you should really get Firefox, it's super easy. First you need to go to this other website though. Yes, I know, I know. Just trust me, okay?"
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everfree
2 days ago
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Chrome = Google.com

Edge = Microsoft.com

Safari = Apple.com

Seems like Firefox is now the outlier, not the other way around.

Now Firefox is the only browser with a home page domain the same as its common name.

(Note: I’m not saying that I think it’s a bad thing.)

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bobsoap
2 days ago
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That may be, but mozilla.org isn't exactly a brand like google.com. Most people have never heard of it.

If you're trying to get non-technical people to try an underdog browser, simplicity helps. A single, straightforward brand name is better.

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joshmanders
2 days ago
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Literally everyone I know who isn't technical calls Firefox "mozilla". Including older people.
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jacobgkau
2 days ago
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It includes older people because Mozilla had previous work before Firefox, so they heard that name first. I've never heard anyone my age (27) or younger call it that, including non-technical people who somehow still have a nostalgic and/or ideological affinity for Firefox.
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Timwi
2 days ago
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When the Mozilla foundation took over the Netscape codebase, it was initially called Mozilla, or Mozilla Browser. There was also a Mozilla email client that came from Netscape Communicator.

Then they made a trimmed-down version of the browser with only essential features. That was initially called Phoenix, then Firebird, then Firefox. They did the same with the email client and called it Thunderbird. These existed alongside Mozilla Browser for a while until it was discontinued.

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latexr
2 days ago
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> I've never heard anyone my age (27) or younger call it that

Anecdotally, I’ve heard both people older and younger than you calling it Mozilla. And not tech-illiterate people, either.

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jacobgkau
1 day ago
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> And not tech-illiterate people, either.

Yeah, again, probably because tech-literate (not tech-illiterate) people are more likely to know the history of the organization beyond when they started using the software. My point was pretty much that the know-nothing user learning about the software today/recently knows it's called Firefox and might never have heard of Mozilla. The branding is clear about Firefox and the Mozilla name is essentially background knowledge.

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itintheory
2 days ago
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I prefer "Mozzarella Foxfire".
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hatthew
2 days ago
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anecdotally, I have never heard anybody call the browser software "mozilla" alone
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jraph
2 days ago
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I once heard Mozzarella.

Can you imagine the cheesy user-agent strings we'd have?

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latexr
2 days ago
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And Acrobat “Adobe”. I wonder if those mistakes are less prevalent in cultures where the family name comes first.
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pix128
2 days ago
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Acrobat Reader was called "Adobe Reader" for a good number of years.
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1718627440
2 days ago
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It's in the window title in desktop shortcuts and gets appended to every tab in the task bar: -- Mozilla Firefox
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jacobgkau
2 days ago
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Opera had opera.com back when they were an actual browser (they still have it now, too). Vivaldi has vivaldi.com and Brave has brave.com.
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ImJamal
2 days ago
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Opera, Vivaldi and Brave are the names of the companies that own the browser though?
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gertlex
2 days ago
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Sure, but not relevant to a post countering

> Now Firefox is the only browser with a home page domain the same as its common name.

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Medea
2 days ago
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chrome.com redirects to www.google.com/chrome/

No one has to download Edge or Safari.

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tech234a
2 days ago
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Technically Edge can also be installed on macOS/Linux/iOS/Android.
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ascorbic
2 days ago
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sebastiennight
2 days ago
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No one wants ...

FTFY

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jacobgkau
2 days ago
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I know you're making a joke, but I enjoyed having Safari installed when Apple made it for Windows too, and would still want to download it today if it was available. You can't, though.
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_Algernon_
2 days ago
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chrome.com redirects to https://www.google.com/chrome/ for whatever it's worth.
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katrinarrlyn
2 days ago
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hahaha, indeed. but i always can't remember mozilla (i don't even know i spelled it right), the other is really to remember, and automatically you know google has a chrome browser, etc.
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oxguy3
2 days ago
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I mean, doesn't everybody just google the thing they want and click the first result? I don't think I've heard of people just guessing "<some brand name>.com" since back in the days before the browser address bar doubled as a search bar.
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1718627440
2 days ago
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I do, but I also disabled the URL bar doubling as a search bar. When I want to find the official site, I'm using apt show though.
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