Why unions are becoming a problem for self-driving cars
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10 hours ago
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4ndrewl
6 hours ago
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This slop article is like the self-driving car of journalism.

You don't really need to engage with the process and its statistically proven to hurt fewer people.

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SilverElfin
10 hours ago
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Slowing down progress. Take on some other kind of work instead of being obstructionist. Or risk making the country fall behind China, who will adopt these technologies quicker.
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dangus
10 hours ago
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Unfortunately, I can’t think of any union that has succeeded in protecting itself against replacement by automation.

They certainly succeed at protecting their industries when they can’t be replaced, but there really isn’t a remedy for an employer who is willing to not have a workforce.

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CamperBob2
9 hours ago
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"Unfortunately?" Should we still be subsidizing the Blacksmiths' Guild? What other obsolete unions and gatekeepers should we be required to support?
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dangus
2 hours ago
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I think a system where basically all workers are in a union works very well to ensure that labor has fair conditions. This isn’t unheard of and exists in real places.
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_wire_
9 hours ago
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You say metal working trades are professionally obsolete. Fascinating.

As to what you are required to support...

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josephcsible
9 hours ago
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> You say metal working trades are professionally obsolete.

No he didn't. He said the unions are obsolete, not the trades.

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CamperBob2
8 hours ago
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To be fair I probably didn't pick the best example. Blacksmiths are still needed by the very small number of well-off people who enjoy horse ownership. When you have a horse that needs shoeing, you want to hire a craftsman who was trained by their predecessors to uphold a venerable and specialized tradition, not some incompetent rando who is going to injure your horse or get themselves kicked in the head.

Then, once the job's done, you want that person off your payroll and out of your life. You don't care too much about the cost of labor, you just need it done right the first time. I can imagine a craft union being suitable for providing access to that kind of labor.

But driving cars and trucks around... yeah, no, that's a robot's job, sorry.

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fragmede
8 hours ago
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Shortsightedly, yeah. But the horse doesn't only every need one pair of shoes, they get replaced eventually, plus, you don't only ever have one horse.

Also, without blacksmiths, where am I going to take my plate shield armor? I need it for ren faire.

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chermi
8 hours ago
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"Unfortunately, we didn't ban the loom to save the weavers. Now anyone can have more than one shirt!"
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general1465
4 hours ago
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Thanks to unions we have things like 8 hours work day, it used to be 16 hours during 19th century. Thanks to unions we have things like job safety so industrial machinery won't rip you apart. Thanks to unions, company will give you tools for doing your job. I can go on and on.

Have a look on videos from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh or other part of south east Asia, where people are working in environment which can easily injure them or kill them. That's how European factories were looking like before unions have become to be a thing. Unions are direct consequence of greed of 19th century capitalists who refused to invest even bare minimum into safety and pay their workers properly while not working them to death.

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josephcsible
4 hours ago
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> Thanks to unions we have things like 8 hours work day, it used to be 16 hours during 19th century. Thanks to unions we have things like job safety so industrial machinery won't rip you apart. Thanks to unions, company will give you tools for doing your job. I can go on and on.

This is the March of Dimes syndrome. Unions had noble goals at first, which they've fully accomplished (things like occupational safety rules are now the law for all employees, union or non-union), so they no longer have any useful purpose and their continued existence is now a net negative.

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general1465
3 hours ago
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> their continued existence is now a net negative.

Like collective bargaining power for higher wages and benefits is net negative? I don't think so.

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dangus
2 hours ago
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Unions in America are not like unions in other places.

The negative aspects of unions in America are by legislative design, too. Laws have been passed to make unions work more poorly for workers and increase their unpopularity.

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