Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first in insects
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5 days ago
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michaelbuckbee
3 minutes ago
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Different scientist and different set of experiments, but a much more fun and educational video of bees + time:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xlGuBT5GT10

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sitkack
2 hours ago
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We are learning so many wonderful things about Bees!

They can count https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21222227

Bees play https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33369572 https://www.science.org/content/article/are-these-bumble-bee...

All of this reinforces my belief that nearly everything is conscious and aware, we differ in a capabilities and resolution but we are all more similar than we are different.

Spider Cognition: How Tiny Brains Do Mighty Things https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46003146

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Loughla
1 hour ago
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Growing up on a farm taught me that animals are absolutely able to think and learn. Not in the same way as humans, but I'm fully convinced there are degrees of consciousness.

Watching new calves play in spring meadows is one of the most purely joyful things you can ever see. They have best friends and will avoid playing with other calves until their friend comes to play with them.

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testfrequency
1 hour ago
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I promise this isn’t a trap, it’s just my curiosity as a “flexitarian”. What (mostly) keeps me from eating animals is my mind wandering sometimes when making a protein choice about how they ended up there, wherever I am, not by choice.

Are you vegan?

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johnisgood
1 hour ago
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I love bees and ants, but I love bees the most. I would recommend people to study the behavior of bees and ants. Additionally, honey, propolis, etc. are super healthy, and we can thank bees for that.
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baxtr
1 hour ago
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Not that I want to curb your enthusiasm for bees, but…

I recently read that honey bees in particular get the most attention from humans lately, so they are kept in high numbers.

This has some adversarial effect on other pollinators, which hurts ecosystems more than it helps.

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johnisgood
58 minutes ago
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Why would what you said curb my enthusiasm for bees though?

Can you provide me more specifics on this by the way?

> This has some adversarial effect on other pollinators, which hurts ecosystems more than it helps.

What are those adversarial effects, what other pollinators, and how does it hurt the ecosystem more than it helps?

I do not mind bees having kept in higher numbers, and beekeepers can do it anywhere without affecting the ecosystem, I believe.

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baxtr
50 minutes ago
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I am no expert at all in this topic! So please take this with a grain of salt. I just have the feeling (maybe wrongly) that the love and focus for bees is having detrimental/ unwanted effects on the ecosystem.

Here some more articles / discussions:

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44505552

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44792207

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35668879

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johnisgood
32 minutes ago
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My love for bees is more about their behavior (similar to how I find ants fascinating), and their "products" that is honey, propolis, beeswax, and so on. I am simply fascinated by their behaviors, and propolis is very healthy!
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michaelcampbell
24 minutes ago
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> Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first in insects

We have no idea what other insects can do this or when they got the ability. Sounds more like a first in Scientists. (tongue somewhat in cheek)

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nkrisc
7 minutes ago
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Yes, it means it’s the first insects we know of with this ability. It of course has no bearing on whether other insects can and we simply don’t know yet.
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vjerancrnjak
2 hours ago
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It’s interesting that Hellen Keller describes her experience, before language acquisition as timeless, no perception of time at all.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40466814

I’m curious if this experiment actually tests for time perception at all or if it’s a very different effect that we attribute as being actual experience of time.

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vlan121
2 hours ago
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I was unable to find the paper. I'm still wondering, if it is a cross-over experiment, as:

> The circles were in different positions at each room in the maze, but the bees still learned over varying amounts of time to fly toward the short flash of light associated with the sweet food.

Do not state, if the light suddenly changed in the rooms. If not, other factors might come into place.

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ryandv
2 hours ago
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Here is what would appear to be the paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41218757/

To clarify, the CNN article asserts that this is the "first [discovered] evidence" that bees possess this capability, not that bees are the first insect to have ever developed this capacity, as the headline may suggest.

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metalman
1 hour ago
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this is such an amazing discovery, with hundreds of thousands of insect species left to determine there time processing abilities, which of course could never be atributed to the basic ability to navigate, it is the work for so many indispensible scientific institutions to take on this essential groundbreaking work
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