MIT study finds AI can replace 11.7% of U.S. workforce
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a-posteriori
26 minutes ago
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This is the same group (Ayush Chopra & Ramesh Raskar) that previously published the highly circulated (clickbait) article saying that 95% of AI pilots were failing based on extremely weak study design and questions that didn't even support the takeaways.

Anything coming from Ayush and Ramesh should be highly scrutinized. Ramesh should stick to studying Camera Culture in the Media Lab.

I will believe a study from MIT when it comes out of CSAIL.

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zkmon
12 minutes ago
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Yep. Take it with some salt. Unfortunately, the quality of research is struck by sales pitch and hype mongering.
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a-posteriori
2 minutes ago
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It's been really disheartening to see the impact of media / hype mongering on groups within research institutions.

IMO, it's clear there is massive demand for any research that shows large positive or negative impacts of AI on the economy. The recent WSJ article about Aiden Toner-Rodgers is another great example of demand for AI impact outstripping the supply of AI impact. Obviously this thread's example is just shoddy research vs. the outright data fraud of Toner-Rodgers, but it's hard to not see the pattern.

I hope that MIT and other research institutions can figure this out...

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mistrial9
1 minute ago
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science says rebut the sources and the thesis, not a personal attack on the authors
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iambateman
24 minutes ago
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The fact that these very-smart people did not include ranges is absurd.

They know that 11.7% is WAY too precise to report. The truth is it's probably somewhere between 5-15% over the next 20 years and nobody has any idea which side of that range is correct.

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ghkbrew
28 minutes ago
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This title is clickbait.

From the abstract: "The Index captures technical exposure, where AI can perform occupational tasks, not displacement outcomes or adoption timelines." (emphasis mine)

The 11.7% figures is the modeled reduction in "wage value", which appears to be marketplace value of (human) work.

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siliconc0w
3 minutes ago
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The difficulty is in the implementation. Many jobs could already be mostly replaced with just a basic system of record (i.e. a database) but it hasn't happened. The world still runs on paper, email, or maybe a shared spreadsheet if they're sophisticated.

Organizations are glued together with interpersonal relationships and unwritten expertise so it's really hard to just drop in an AI solution - especially if it isn't reliable enough to entirely replace a person because then you need both which is more expensive.

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pizlonator
20 minutes ago
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Here's a realistic path for how AI "replaces"/"displaces" a large chunk of the workforce:

- Even without AI most corpos could shed probably 10% of their workforce - or maybe more - and still be about as productive as they are now. Bunch of reasons why that's true, but here are two I can easily think of: (1) after the layoffs work shifts to the people who remain, who then work harder; (2) underperformers are often not let go for a long time or ever because their managers don't want to do the legwork (and the layoffs are a good opportunity to force that to happen).

- It's hard for leadership to initiate layoffs, because doing so seems like it'll make the company look weak to investors, customers, etc. So if you really want to cut costs by shedding 10%+ of your workforce and making the remaining 90% work harder, then you have to have a good story to tell for why you are doing it.

- AI makes for a good story. It's a way to achieve what you would have wanted to achieve anyway, while making it seem like you're cutting edge.

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api
13 minutes ago
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I wonder if AI also reveals unnecessary parts of the workforce by demonstrating that what they do is actually pretty trivial.

There are a ton of basically BS office jobs that could probably be replaced by AI, or in some cases just revealed as superfluous.

We need to just stop pretending we still need a 1:1 connection between employment and income and do UBI. Useless jobs help us preserve the illusions of a pre-post-industrial civilization. Instead of just paying people, we pay people to do work we don't need.

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sharpshadow
13 seconds ago
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There is this joke about socialism where hundreds of workers digging with shovels and somebody asks “Why not use that excavator? One machine could do it in no time” and the other answers “And put 20 men out of work? We’re creating jobs!”.
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dinkblam
32 minutes ago
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My study finds AI can replace 96.83% of U.S. study makers
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xhkkffbf
26 minutes ago
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I love that it's not 11% but 11.7% even though it's all just guesses. Somehow they have that much precision.
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cinntaile
23 minutes ago
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They should give us a span that they believe in and then we check in a few years how accurate their guess was.
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lo_zamoyski
13 minutes ago
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By then, they will have received their promotions and salary bumps and it won't matter.
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pydry
14 minutes ago
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There was a previous study that said 47% by 2033: https://fortune.com/2015/04/22/robots-white-collar-ai/

It predates LLMs so they werw predicting that poets and artists would be the last jobs to be automated. Which is kinda funny.

Economists' predictions about investors' wet dreams have always been a little bit whimsical.

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syngrog66
7 minutes ago
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I bet its 98.251% (+/- 0.00032%)

clowns, all of them

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zkmon
11 minutes ago
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This is so true.
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Der_Einzige
15 minutes ago
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This but unironically:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2403.20252

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fHr
24 minutes ago
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haha real
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coffeecoders
7 minutes ago
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I think the real story isn’t that AI will replace 11.7% of workers. It is that we are about to discover that far more than 11.7% of the work we do was never actually work in the first place.

Workflows that were untouchable will now be overhauled and the productivity gains just raises the throughput ceiling.

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vlovich123
22 minutes ago
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Interesting - that’s a 1T market just in the US alone. Probably another 1T in EU. It’s unclear how much there is in the rest of the world (China is basically inaccessible to US firms and after that it’ll depend on low wage local labor vs AI models).

There’s also models getting more capable (larger share of the GDP) and GDP growing more quickly due to automation of GDP activities. But even without that it’s at least a 2T/year opportunity (assuming the model is even a little accurate).

To me this validates the bull case that is being raised in private equity. The major risks are not if the market or valuations exist but whether it’ll be captured by a few major players or if open models and local inference eat away at centralization.

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psunavy03
14 minutes ago
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And then when 1T worth of workers are laid off, who is going to buy the stuff that the companies who laid them off make?
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throw0101c
8 minutes ago
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If anyone is curious about automation and people's/worker's reaction to it, I recommend Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the Rebellion Against Big Tech by Brian Merchant:

> The most urgent story in modern tech begins not in Silicon Valley but two hundred years ago in rural England, when workers known as the Luddites rose up rather than starve at the hands of factory owners who were using automated machines to erase their livelihoods.

> The Luddites organized guerrilla raids to smash those machines—on punishment of death—and won the support of Lord Byron, enraged the Prince Regent, and inspired the birth of science fiction. This all-but-forgotten class struggle brought nineteenth-century England to its knees.

> Today, technology imperils millions of jobs, robots are crowding factory floors, and artificial intelligence will soon pervade every aspect of our economy. How will this change the way we live? And what can we do about it?

* https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/brian-merchant/bloo...

* https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/introducing-blood-in-the...

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59801798-blood-in-the-ma...

* https://read.dukeupress.edu/critical-ai/article/doi/10.1215/...

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zkmon
14 minutes ago
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But they should also look at the other side of the story. How many new problems will be created by that requires new jobs and investment. Most likely it's migration of jobs from one kind of work to other kind of work.
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atonse
23 minutes ago
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Interesting that their website (https://iceberg.mit.edu) looks quite obviously vibe coded.

Products like v0.dev (and gemini-3 with nano banana in general) continue to get better at building website designs that don't look obviously vibe coded.

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rs186
18 minutes ago
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I don't remember ever seeing a website that has a loading screen with words "Initializing React" on it. It's almost comical. Like that information is of any value to the site visitor.
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stego-tech
11 minutes ago
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Read the project and its key paper before commenting:

arxiv.org/abs/2510.25137

The key takeaway buried between technical jargon is that these figures aren’t measuring workforce replacement, but task replacement. They aren’t saying AI can replace 12% of the workforce, rather that AI can replace 12% of the work performed, and its associated wage values, expected concentrations, and diverse impacts (across the lower 48). There does not seem to be a more user-friendly visual available to tinker with, at least that I could readily find on mobile.

They try to couch this conclusion at the end, stating that workforce displacement isn’t going to happen by AI so much as by decision-makers in government and enterprise. It’s entirely possible to use AI tools to amplify productivity and output and lead to smaller work weeks with better labor outcomes, but we have ample evidence that, barring appropriate carrots and sticks, enterprises will fire folks to keep the profit for themselves while governments will victim-blame the unemployed for “not being current on skills”. This creates a strong disincentive for labor to cooperate with AI, because it’s a lose-lose Prisoner’s Dilemma for them: cooperation will either result in a boost in productivity that hurts those around them through displacement and an increased workload on themselves, or cooperation results in their own replacement in the midst of a difficult job market and broader economy. Cooperation is presently the worst choice for labor, and the authors do a milquetoast job highlighting this reality - but do better than most of their predecessors, at least.

Really, it comes back to what I spoke about in 2023 when it comes to AI: the problem isn’t AI so much as a system that will hand its benefits to those of already immense wealth and means, and that is the problem that needs solving immediately.

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add-sub-mul-div
13 minutes ago
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There's always a lot of bending over backwards in these comments to create explanations for why the invention whose purpose is to replace labor won't replace labor.
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stego-tech
6 minutes ago
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I suspect part of that is denial: “AI won’t replace my job!” Which, sure, maybe this era of AI won’t. Maybe this LLM era won’t replace your job, this time.

The problem is that we will eventually create tools that can and will replace labor. The Capital class is salivating over that prospect quite openly without any shame whatsoever for its consequences.

Fighting against AI is the wrong move. Instead, we should be fighting against a system that fails to provide for human necessities and victim-blames those displaced by Capital, before AI can sufficiently displace the workforce.

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syngrog66
10 minutes ago
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bonus points for the ".7%"

only thing better than pulling numbers out of the air is being very very precise

(not)

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pydry
20 minutes ago
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>Beneath the surface lies the total exposure, the $1.2 trillion in wages, and that includes routine functions in human resources, logistics, finance, and office administration. Those are areas sometimes overlooked in automation forecasts.

Those routine functions could have been automated before LLMs.

Usually when theyre not it's due to some sort of corporate dysfunction which is not something LLMs can solve.

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lesuorac
26 minutes ago
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I'll give a hot take.

The real advantage AI gives is cover to change current processes. There's a million tiny tasks that could be automated and in aggregate would reduce labor needs by making labor more productive.

AI isn't a feature. Spellcheck is a feature. Templates are a feature. Search is a feature. A database of every paywalled article is a feature. AI can't do anything but it gives cover for features that do.

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falcor84
17 minutes ago
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Following with my own hot take, AI SWE agents, while very flawed, allow people to quickly iterate on possible approaches to change those processes. I think that once people have had more time to explore this capability, we'll see massive productivity increases.
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ChrisArchitect
54 minutes ago
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nextworddev
21 minutes ago
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There you go, that’s all the AI revenue needed to justify capex
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hahahacorn
23 minutes ago
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This is like unbelievably awful journalism. From the abstract:

>The Index captures technical exposure, where AI can perform occupational tasks, not displacement outcomes or adoption timelines. Analysis shows that visible AI adoption concentrated in computing and technology (2.2% of wage value, approx $211 billion) represents only the tip of the iceberg. Technical capability extends far below the surface through cognitive automation spanning administrative, financial, and professional services (11.7%, approx $1.2 trillion). [https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.25137]

Does the author not know what displacement outcomes are?

It's possible we got 2.2% better quality software by augmenting engineers.

I expect we'll see at least 11.7% <metrixX> improvements in admin, financial, and professional services.

There is likely also a depressive affect on the labor market - there is nuance here and it would be equally disingenuous to believe there will be zero displacement (although, there is a case for more labor participation is administrative bottlenecks / cost are solved, tbd).

Either way this is like a textbook example of zero-sum minded journalist grossly misrepresenting the world.

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emp17344
19 minutes ago
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Too many people fall into the trap of believing the economy is zero-sum. You see it all the time on HN.
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paxys
28 minutes ago
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I wonder if these researchers include their own jobs in the analysis. Because AI can very easily spit out random numbers and a lengthy explanation to make them seem believable.
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