C100 Developer Terminal
56 points
6 hours ago
| 26 comments
| caligra.com
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doug_durham
6 hours ago
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"Get out of your way" is marketing speak to cover for missing applications. I've rarely seen such a blatant piece of marketing. "A computer for experts". Any computer with access to a terminal prompt is a computer for experts.
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stonogo
4 hours ago
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It's a Fedora spin.
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notnmeyer
5 hours ago
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ehhhh, i disagree partially. a less cynical take would be to call it “opinionated”.

any computer can be for “experts”, but that’s not the same as delivering something preconfigured and opinionated.

nobody has actually seen this thing in action yet, but in my head it’s hardware + some opinionated linux distro (i imagine something like omarchy) + support.

certainly not what everybody would want, but if there are people that enjoy configuring their systems then there’s people that don’t.

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kaladin-jasnah
4 hours ago
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A few things about this stand out:

- Calligra with two 'l's is the name of a KDE office suite.

- Why does the keyboard have macOS keys? At least as a Linux user, I've felt like most Linux desktops reflect the Windows keyboard layout more.

- Can I have pictures of the internals of the machine, or is this a 3D rendering?

- The Workbench OS makes a lot of claims that I want more information about. Is this a rice on a common WM or something they made themselves? Why is it "suitable for sovereign and secure deployments"? Won't having homebrew and DNF lead to conflicts (this is more of a general question, since I genuinely don't know)?

Nonetheless, I have to say that it does look cool from a design perspective, and with the pace of DRAM prices, maybe the actual system price won't actually be that crazy in a few months.

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sho_hn
4 hours ago
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To be honest, every time I see something this paper-thin yet slick and polished, I just assume it's mostly AI slop. The barrier to launching vaporware has never been lower.

Content over presentation is a signal for quality more than ever.

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worthless-trash
1 hour ago
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IIRC there was a live stream where the creator went over the prototype.
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StrLght
5 hours ago
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A laptop without a screen for the price of a regular laptop?

I get that economies of scale don't apply to something so niche, but that's just a bad deal. I'd rather get Framework Desktop.

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notnmeyer
5 hours ago
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a framework desktop and omarchy is conceptually 98% of what the c100 purports to be.
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pkd
5 hours ago
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No need for a boatload of shell scripts that's omarchy. Just install any distro and get going.
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notnmeyer
5 hours ago
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different strokes dude
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pkd
3 hours ago
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Fair. Just wanted to provide my stroke and warn people about a low quality, overhyped project. Doesn't mean it shouldn't exist or people can't use it.
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vorpalhex
2 hours ago
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I've been very pleased with omarchy. Most linux distros were "just shell scripts" for 30+ years. Many still are.
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danpalmer
5 hours ago
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Who is this for?

Because it's not for the developers I know – they either want a Macbook or an infinitely configurable (hardware and software) workstation, whereas this has the configurability of a Macbook with the ease of use of the workstation, clearly not a combination people want.

I can only assume this is for mechanical keyboard collectors. Developer-adjacent tech enthusiasts who like the idea of Linux, without an actual professional need for it. People who like well built devices, but don't really care about swapping out hardware. People who have a lot of disposable income and want to buy cool things.

If that's the target market, that's fine. I guess the problem is that market only buys it if you claim its for a different market, developers/etc. As a result it's going to rile up developers every time as they always feel the need to push back with "this isn't what I want".

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viraptor
2 hours ago
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> Who is this for?

Probably people who see this and experience extreme confused nostalgia for the unholy merge of IBM and Commodore esthetic. It makes no practical sense, it's overpriced, it's a terrible use of space and I still crave it.

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_dan
4 hours ago
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The uniform stagger is likely to make most keyboard nerds turn their noses up too.
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necrotic_comp
5 hours ago
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This isn't made by developers, that's clear, and I don't think it's going to be very functional. However, I do love the aesthetic and I do love that someone is trying something new.
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garciasn
5 hours ago
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By new you mean they’re making a 1980s all-in-one keyboard/computer with the 10 key on the wrong side of the keyboard running a version of a familiar-to-most-of-us OS that isn’t at all new looking?

I’m sorry; none of this is new to me except the absurd price tag.

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BrouteMinou
5 hours ago
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That's a weird keyboard, some computer specs and a weird linux distro... that's going to cost you $2k.

$100 to have the rights to reserve one? That's really nice of them.

Well... Good luck guys!

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chenzhekl
1 hour ago
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I don't quite get who the product targets. The only advantage I can think of is its retro design and its unique OS. But honestly, they are not attractive enough for me to pay 2k USD. I could build a more powerful server with the same money.
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gorgoiler
5 hours ago
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I was hoping to see a flip up 12” x 4” screen. A bunch of devices have been showing up recently with this particular format of OLED. Here’s one that may or may not be vaporware, but which links to a couple of other devices with the same screen, so presumably something is shipping:

https://liliputing.com/kernelcom-is-a-compact-mini-laptop-wi...

Alas, this is more of a BBC B / Amiga format nostalgia fest, from the homeland of the hipster dads, Central Shoreditch.

This device could certainly add real value though if the OS / hardware integration gets nailed. That is, after all, where the Raspberry Pi really shone brightly: defining a standardised and working platform.

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flir
5 hours ago
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> the homeland of the hipster dads, Central Shoreditch

Old enough to remember when the hipsters moved in, I feel vindicated. Vindicated!

(I like the beeb/amiga comparison, and I like the textured case, but I don't like the left-hand numpad).

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brandonmenc
4 hours ago
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If Teenage Engineering made a computer.

Expensive, not ergonomic, probably totally useless.

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slmjkdbtl
4 hours ago
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I wouldn't say TE's products are not ergonomic and totally useless
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rickcarlino
6 hours ago
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I’ll be really happy if this becomes a market segment. A commercial desktop specifically for technical users on Linux is great to see.
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mrgoldenbrown
4 hours ago
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What specific technical thing about this makes it appealing? The marketing speak sounds nice but is there anything you're seeing here that you wouldn't get in a MacBook or Thinkpad equivalently priced? There is not much detail.
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rickcarlino
4 hours ago
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I’m not endorsing the device. It might be mediocre, and the company might be too. What I like is the direction. Most of the criticism in this thread focuses on the marketing, but that’s actually the part I find interesting: it’s explicitly aimed at Linux-centric desktop users without pretending to be “just like Windows” or trying to hide the fact that it’s Linux.

Plenty of people are frustrated with the current Windows ecosystem (Microsoft account login really bothers me for a lot of reasons). The market usually responds with one of two things: a Windows laptop you can convert into a Linux machine, or a Linux machine that tries very hard not to act like one. This is at least purporting to be neither (maybe they are full of shit, who knows). It’s trying to sell a finished, opinionated product for power users on Linux. Even if this particular device ends up turning into the next juicero/Rabbit R100, I’m glad to see someone treating that segment as worth designing for.

So yeah computer vendors, go ahead and do this more I like the vibes here even if I have no intention on buying right now.

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wmf
3 hours ago
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The philosophy does sound good but the implementation appears to be skin deep. It's just not enough.
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overgard
5 hours ago
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System76 exists
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constantcrying
33 minutes ago
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The hardware is totally ridiculous for the price. You are paying a lot of money so that the CPU can be close to your fingers, instead of in a much better cooled box half a meter away.

The OS is totally mysterious. What exactly is it? Just Fedora with a custom rice of some wm?

By the way "Entertainment, Advertising, Shopping, Attack Surface, Distraction" is something you do not have in most distros anyway. So hardly a selling point.

Who is this for? Companies with too much money? Individuals with some aesthetic sensibilities for putting your hardware right below your keyboard?

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keithnz
5 hours ago
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the choices made on the keyboard layout seem weird to me, though I do like the left hand numpad. But the big esc? the Fn key up top right seems like it makes key chords with it kind of hard. No ins key? no prt scr? is that 3 ctrl keys? or is that a caps lock? arrow keys etc seem a bit far away from main keyboard...
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tom_
4 hours ago
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Including the keyboard seems a strange choice, especially when it's an oddity such as this one. Surely it'd be cheaper to add an extra USB port and have the buyer supply their own? I mouse left-handed, so a left hand numpad makes it an instant no from me - but even if you don't care what I think (which you shouldn't), there's so many other oddities in the layout as well! Where's PrtSc? Why is the Esc key so gigantic? Why is F7 not in its normal place? And, wait a moment - what is £ doing on 4? Why is € on 5?

This company is apparently based in London, but I wonder how many UK residents were involved in the design of the keyboard at least.

(I don't want to sound too mean though. It's no sin to attempt to experiment with a potential new market segment.)

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xorvoid
5 hours ago
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Here's someone trying to build a serious PC focused on Linux. But the comments are very negative. And people wonder why the year of the Linux desktop still haven't arrived.

If you want PCs targeting Linux with good support... don't complain when someone tries doing exactly that.

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summa_tech
5 hours ago
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I think a lot of the negativity comes from the odd choice of keyboard layout.

You can think of it as a weirdness budget: this is an odd-purposed device, running a specialty distribution of Linux by design. It is not portable despite having portable-like specs. And on top of this, it has an unusual keyboard layout.

It costs a lot of money and requires pre-orders, so you can't even impulse buy it. You can't actually see if you'd like the keyboard switch or layout in stores, either.

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canucker2016
5 hours ago
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I just assumed that the keyboard designer was a left-handed accounting/Excel geek (numeric keypad on the left side of the keyboard).
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chrsw
5 hours ago
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I could be wrong but I think a lot of the negativity comes from people who want a modern laptop, with decent port selection, a good screen and a good keyboard, fully supported by Linux because everything is open. Quality hardware with support when you want it and open documentation and open drivers if you want to do something yourself. Like a MacBook Pro but with USB-A ports and built with 100% Linux compatibility from the ground up.
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wmf
5 hours ago
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You can get a normal PC with Linux preinstalled from Lenovo, Dell, Framework, System76, etc. This isn't bringing much new other than a retro case, a few widgets, and pretentious marketing. I understand that they're probably "lean' so the first version isn't going to be impressive, but that means they need to sell it below cost not at a premium.
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keithnz
5 hours ago
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you should complain a lot when the offering is not great, odd design decisions, bad price point, etc.... All of that is information to make better offerings. Instead of this thing, I think there are far better offerings from things like https://system76.com/laptops
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api
5 hours ago
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It’s just not a good deal and it’s a bit weird. A Framework laptop or desktop, a DIY build, or any number of other brands are better and sometimes cheaper.
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29athrowaway
5 hours ago
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- $2,000 price

- GPU is equivalent to a NVIDIA RTX 1650

- "Low profile" mechanical keyboard rather than a regular mechanical keyboard.

- Low modularity similar to a laptop.

- Holes right on the top where your spilled coffee goes

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danpalmer
5 hours ago
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Nothing screams "designed to accelerate your work" than tightly coupling the keyboard to all the rest of the hardware.
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notnmeyer
5 hours ago
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i’ve been following this for a while and still find it completely wild that you can preorder but there’s effectively no details.

theres a couple completely unimpressive videos (like 15s long) from employees on linkedin where they show off… tiling window management.

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emantos
4 hours ago
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So, basically, a headless laptop with a custom linux distro. 2K at that.

Alrighty then.

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data-ottawa
5 hours ago
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Beautiful webpage but I would like to know more about both the machine and the OS.
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rvz
1 hour ago
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This product is a massive downgrade and the price is devoid from the functionality that you can get from a typical laptop.

A Macbook Pro M5 running Asahi Linux would still be more cheaper than this trash scam.

No thanks and no deal.

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shinryuu
1 hour ago
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Except asahi doesn't run on m5
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OzzyB
5 hours ago
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Put in a couple of MIDI ports and I'll pretend it's a modern day Atari ST and run some Cubase...
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nsingh2
6 hours ago
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That's quite the long esc key. An ortholinear layout would be nice too.
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TheRoque
4 hours ago
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Might be worth to buy just for the parts
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wmf
3 hours ago
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It's $1,000 worth of parts. (Although 96 GB of RAM could be worth $10,000 soon enough.)
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internetguy
6 hours ago
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their in-house Workbench distro seems really cool, looks super light and minimalistic. IMHO it's also priced reasonably enough.
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mapcars
6 hours ago
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Its cringe to see something for enthusiasts cost 2k$ and have a keyboard layout from 100 years ago. I expect nothing less than ortholinear with thumb clusters
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meonkeys
5 hours ago
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Hard pass. Another Linux laptop with another sus distro won't teach anyone how to focus. Save a hand-me-down laptop from the landfill, install a known good distro, and do the hard work of culling distractions.
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dkackman11
6 hours ago
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sure hope you can choose which side that ten key is on
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jovial_cavalier
5 hours ago
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There are huge black rectangles where screenshots should go. I'm assuming that's not supposed to be there...
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wmf
27 minutes ago
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The screenshots are there. I think your browser is not loading them.
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