The Tesla Model Y Just Scored the Worst Reliability Rating in a Decade
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1 hour ago
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| autoblog.com
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bri3d
34 minutes ago
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The competence and pricing of dealers along with the proclivities of a car’s customers have a lot to do with it, too. This ranking is basically “of the cars brought for the german federal safety inspection, what percentage were issued a note or failure about an item in a given category” Things like bent suspension linkage caused by driving into a curb, poorly maintained brake pads, or torn rubber boots left unaddressed would all count.

You can see this skew quite easily on these reports by looking for VW AG cars that are generally identical, and comparing their rankings, like Audi A1, VW Polo, Seat Ibiza and Skoda Fabia.

(note that this isn’t really to defend Teslas, which are clearly behind on this metric in Germany for some reason. Just; the reason could be “their service is overpriced and nobody wants to take the car in” rather than “the car is junk.”)

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iambateman
16 minutes ago
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I’m confused from the report about how Volkswagen and Mercedes beat Toyota in reliability when my perception is that it’s not even close.

Are the Germans biasing toward their companies? Or am I underrating VW’s quality?

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potato3732842
11 minutes ago
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First off, all manufacturers are way, way closer in practical reliability than internet comment section circle jerks. It's like when you look at a wild stock ticker and then see the Y axis is somewhere misleadingly far from zero.

Second, as described in other comments, this is just an analysis of safety inspection data. So you've got to consider the ease with which people can "just take it to the dealer", how much they trust the dealer and the kind of people who buy what (Altima factor).

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mgarfias
48 minutes ago
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My MYP has needed to go into the shop once (aside from a Portland pothole wrecking a wheel and bending a suspension arm).

Our Benz sprinter needed an engine at 11k miles.

I wonder what they count as defects.

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mephitix
32 minutes ago
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Had my Model Y for 4 years with no issue!

Funny enough, my 2007 BMW had so many issues and cost so much to maintain i used to call it a “wallet burning machine”

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WheatMillington
18 minutes ago
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So your 19 year old car has more trouble than your 4 year old car? Weird.
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sharkweek
24 minutes ago
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My friend and I have started tinkering on our cars together.

He’s got an early 90s 525i BMW and I’ve got a 2000 SR5 Toyota 4Runner.

The engineering of my Toyota is so much simpler and easier to work on than his BMW. But his BMW has given us a lot more practice, if you know what I mean ^_^

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domoregood
12 minutes ago
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B-M-trouble-yew is another fave
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FridayoLeary
25 minutes ago
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"Big Money Waster" is what we used to call them. They are notorious for electronic faults in particular. They're just very complicated, which electric cars aren't.
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browningstreet
42 minutes ago
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My Model Y has been more reliable than the two Highlanders I had before.
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armada651
35 minutes ago
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I think that speaks more to the sorry state of modern cars.
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croes
24 minutes ago
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The question is would you pass a TÜV check?

They find faults long before your car breaks down

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nodesocket
38 minutes ago
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Bought a 2021 Y long range and besides a few cabin filter changes and new tires, zero problems. Anti-Elon hit piece.
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armada651
31 minutes ago
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The serious defect rate is 17.3%, thus there's an 82.7% chance you don't encounter serious defects. Which group do you think is more likely that you're a part of?

Just because you haven't personally encountered a serious defect doesn't mean there's no problem with it at all.

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croes
26 minutes ago
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I never had any problem with any of my cars, so any critique on any car manufacturer is a hit piece, right?
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WheatMillington
19 minutes ago
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Imagine seeing an article backed by statistics and facts and describing it as an anti-Elon hit piece.
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AmVess
35 minutes ago
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I have to laugh at the absurdity of a German company evaluating quality and reliability of vehicles.
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chasing0entropy
14 minutes ago
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Do you know where most performance and luxury vehicles beyond mass manufactured models are designed?
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WheatMillington
18 minutes ago
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American cars, such as Tesla, have a MUCH worse reliability record than German.
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jsxyzb
27 minutes ago
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Why is this happening? This isn't real, is it?
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accrual
1 hour ago
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Here are the key points one can have after using some scripts to load the content:

* Tesla Model Y ranked most unreliable among nearly new cars, with 17.3% serious defect rate.

* TÜV report found rising major defects, particularly in electric vehicles like Tesla’s Model 3 and Y.

* European brands, especially Mercedes and Volkswagen, dominated reliability rankings across all age groups.

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Night_Thastus
44 minutes ago
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Are you sure about that third point? Going to the graph they link, Volkswagen ranks near dead last: https://www.autoblog.com/features/predicted-car-reliability
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accrual
2 minutes ago
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It was a copy/paste, I make no claims about whatever the points indicate
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orwin
24 minutes ago
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I think the TUV is mostly about safety equipment (light, breaks) that don't pass the two year check (they probably also test the alignment and other stuff), and your link might be about engine/transmission/power train defects.
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croes
30 minutes ago
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The article is about TÜV findings, the linked graph is the average predicted reliability based on Consumer Report member survey.
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jmpman
45 minutes ago
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I have a 2019 Model 3, and it has some paint issues, specifically in the door hinge areas. It had some suspension issues which were repaired in half a day, under warranty. It has an issue where the windshield in front of the self driving cameras gets obscured with some gunk, blocking the cameras (it continues self driving even when half blind). The steering wheel material is falling apart. Other than that, for the past 6 years, it’s turned on every day, driven flawlessly, and cost me exactly $0 in maintenance other than tire replacement - not even brakes needed in 90k miles. No German car I’ve owned has ever come close to that record. I’m skeptical of the review.
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cheschire
41 minutes ago
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are you familiar with how statistics and sample sizes work?
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jmpman
29 minutes ago
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N=1, but many of my other friends also have Teslas and their experiences are similar.
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pfannkuchen
27 minutes ago
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I have a similar experience and also a recent German car with more problems than the Tesla.
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croes
25 minutes ago
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I never had any problem with any car
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croes
37 minutes ago
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It didn’t happen to me, so it can’t be true is a bad metric
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