Iceland declares ocean-current instability a national security risk
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dredmorbius
1 hour ago
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Link disambiguation: <https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/15/climate/iceland-warming-c...>

(Cited source by dagens.com, which is / may be AI-generated to boot.)

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joshuaheard
20 minutes ago
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The IPCC rates a collapse before 2100 as “unlikely but not impossible.”
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amarant
31 minutes ago
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I wish other countries would take it this seriously.

Somewhat ironically, Iceland might be the country best suited by nature to handle the cold that would descend upon the Nordics if the gulf stream collapsed. At least they have plenty of volcanic heat they can use. My home country Sweden is not so lucky. Sure it's located a fair bit further south, but it's not clear that'll be enough to escape the cold. Yet the Swedish government seems wholly oblivious. Even the opposition is silent on this issue.

Kudos to the Icelandic! I wish you well in this endeavour!

Feel like I should mention the other end of this problem too: if the gulf stream stops heating the Nordics, it also stops bringing cold water from the Arctic to the gulf of Mexico. The heat waves will be absolutely epic. The Caribbeans, Florida and Mexico ought to be more worried too. In my armchair opinion, this will go way beyond nice beach days.

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smyk1777
1 hour ago
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I'm glad they took this seriously and considered it important. Maybe the world will finally notice how we're destroying the planet and ourselves, and whether anyone thinks about their children and grandchildren who may live in a world destroyed by generations.
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silexia
19 minutes ago
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See Bill Gates recent article on climate change alarmism.
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barbazoo
14 minutes ago
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Not how I understood it. It was about climate “vs” health not whether the climate is breaking down.
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andai
39 minutes ago
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So, if this happens, Iceland actually becomes Iceland...
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gnarlouse
54 minutes ago
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My (paranoid) unpopular take: the AI boom we’re currently experiencing is a concerted effort by the billionaires to maintain operational agency (the ability to think and do at a massive scale) once society begins to collapse due to climate change.

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Thank you for the sane responses. I’m reconsidering how much I believe this.

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fmbb
52 minutes ago
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How would that work? AI cannot run if society collapses.

Maintaining all that infrastructure and supplying spare parts is not going to work.

Also AI cannot do anything on its own. Barely anything with support from humans.

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andybak
47 minutes ago
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This makes no sense. It takes a complex industrial society to keep that tech going. The supply chain to make GPUs would not survive even a modest disruption in the world economy. It's probably the most fragile thing we currently manufacture.
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ben_w
34 minutes ago
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If you're an AI company and you believe your own hype (like Musk seems to), you'll probably believe that you can automate everything from digging minerals out of the ground all of the way up to making the semiconductors in the robots that dig the minerals.

As you may infer from my use of the word "hype", I do not think we are close to such generality at a high enough quality level to actually do this.

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SoftTalker
7 minutes ago
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Presumes that the surviving humans will not actively disrupt/destroy these automated industries. Which seems highly likely as they will want to scavenge them for anything of value or repurpose them for their own means.
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ben_w
1 minute ago
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There's lots of implicit assumptions or this would be a book, but remember that Musk has a rocket and wants to colonise Mars, and that Mars is so bad that it is currently 100% populated by robots.

For the billionaires without rockets, there's also a whole bunch of deserts conveniently filled with lots of silicon.

(Or as Mac(Format|World|User) put it sometime in the 90s when they were considering who might bail out Apple and suggested one of the middle east oil barrons, a "silly con").

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gnarlouse
22 minutes ago
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While I believe we’re in a slow takeoff, I believe we are in a takeoff. The important question to my mind is whether AGI comes before systemic societal collapse due to climate change. I think it does, and my tin foil hat grows a wider brim with each passing day. I hope I’m wrong!
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gnarlouse
25 minutes ago
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This is the best argument I’ve heard against it, so thanks.

My anxiety entirely orbits around the scale of AI compute we’ve reached and the sentiment that there is drastic room for improvement, the rapidly advancing state of the art in robotics, and the massive potential for disruption of middle/lower class stake in society. Not to mention the general sentiment that the economy is more important than people’s well being in 99.9% of scenarios.

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barbazoo
13 minutes ago
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Concerted effort among the greediest people in the world all competing with each other? I find that very hard to imagine.
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forinti
46 minutes ago
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If there's an evil plot, it's goal must surely be to accelerate environmental degradation.

First we had the blockchain, now AI to consume enormous amounts of resources and distract us from what we should be investing in to make the environment healthier.

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dkdcio
52 minutes ago
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do you think it’s one person or a group of them that meets? design by committee? how are they getting it all done? let’s hear it!
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gnarlouse
27 minutes ago
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I don’t know if I believe it’s an active conspiracy. Instead I think it’s more of a very concerning, very plausible eventuality.
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dkdcio
2 minutes ago
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FWIW I do agree with the operational agency at scale bit

and I’m always fascinated by these conspiracy theories, was genuinely hoping to get one (but also happy to see you’re challenging your own position). the idea of people coordinating on these things is very funny to me

I think like all tech people will use it for good and bad. those in power have more power etc etc I think it tends to boil down to whether you believe people are, overall, good or bad. over time, that’s what you’ll get with use of tech

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exe34
8 minutes ago
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it's very easy to achieve great things without coordination if you can just do what's best for yourself and help your peers achieve their collective goals.

but they do meet at davos every now and again, without the democratic shackles.

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