Learning Feynman's Trick for Integrals
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analog31
6 hours ago
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I don't know if this is exactly the same as what I learned in high school as "integration by substitution."

A number of years after I finished school, I was in a new town without a job, and got hired to teach a freshman algebra course at the nearby Big Ten university. About halfway into teaching the class, I was struck by the realization that virtually every problem was solved in the same way, by recognizing the "form" of a problem and applying an algorithm appropriate for that form, drawn from the most recent chapter.

In the TFA, the natural log in the integrand was a dead give-away because it only comes from one place in the standard order of topics in calculus class.

Is this what we call intuition?

The students called this the "trick." Many of them had come from high school math under the impression that math was subjective, and was a matter of guessing the teacher's preferred trick from among the many possible.

For instance, all of the class problems involving maxima and minima involved a quadratic equation, since it was the only form with an extremum that the students had learned. Every min/max problem culminated with completing the square. I taught my students a formula that they could just memorize.

The whole affair left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

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zamadatix
3 hours ago
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I think the difference is something like Feynman’s trick simplifies a hard integral by introducing a parameter and differentiating the whole integral, while substitution simplifies an integral by changing variables to undo the chain rule. But it has been so long since I've done integration manually I'm not 100% sure that's an accurate description/the full story.

The thing I hated about integration was which approach would work and the best option for each approach were much more "do a lot and see what's right" and I was too lazy :).

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charcircuit
4 hours ago
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I think it's intuitive to assume what you are being tested on is what is being taught by the book or the teacher. It's unfair otherwise.
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tacitusarc
7 hours ago
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I just finished Mathematica by David Bessis and I wish this information was presented in the way he talks about math: using words and imagery to explain what is happening, and only using the equations to prove the words are true.

I just haven’t had to use integral calculus in so many years, I don’t recall what the symbols mean and I certainly don’t care about them. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t find the problem domain interesting, if it was expressed as such. Instead, though, I get a strong dose of mathematical formalism disconnected from anything I can meaningfully reason about. Too bad.

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chrisweekly
7 hours ago
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That's one of the things I like best about https://betterexplained.com -- it focuses on ways to gain intuition about a given math concept, using visuals and metaphors as appropriate. If only math education were always presented like that....
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lordnacho
7 hours ago
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My issue with both this and u-substitution is that you don't know what expression to use. There are a LOT of expressions that plausibly simplify the integral. But you have to do a bunch of algebra for each one (and not screw it up!), without really knowing whether it actually helps.

OTOH, if I'm given the expression, it's just mechanical and unrewarding.

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zeroonetwothree
7 hours ago
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That’s how most of math works past high school. It requires a lot of practice and intuition.
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lordnacho
6 hours ago
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I don't know about this particular case though, I get the feeling there's a system to it that can be exploited by eg Wolfram. It's just that you're in the dark for a long time before you find the switch.
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cyberax
4 hours ago
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Your intuition is right. There is a general algorithm for finding the antiderivatives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risch_algorithm Its simplified form can solve pretty much all the undergrad antiderivation problems.

I'm a math major, but I consider the time spent learning the tricks for antiderivation to be kinda useless.

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BearOso
5 hours ago
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I think it just tokenizes everything and does pattern matching to find compositions it can exploit. It's not unlike compiler optimization.
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biophysboy
6 hours ago
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> So I got a great reputation for doing integrals, only because my box of tools was different from everybody else's

This is the most important lesson I learned in grad school. Methods are so important. I really think it is the core of what we call "critical thinking" - knowing how facts are made.

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impossiblefork
8 hours ago
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It starts off with a pretty major error.

I'(t)=\int_0^1 \partial/(\partial t)((x^t - 1)/(ln x))dx = \int_0^1 x^t dx=1/(t+1), when it is actually equal to \int_0^1 x^{t-1}/ln(x)dx.

These two are definitely not always equal to each other.

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owalt
7 hours ago
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No, it is correct. The integral is with respect to x, and the ordinary/partial derivatives are with respect to t. Written out fully, the derivative computation is

d/dt (x^t - 1)/ln(x) = d/dt [exp(ln(x)t) - 1]/ln(x) = ln(x)exp(ln(x)t)/ln(x) = exp(ln(x)t) = x^t.

Edit: d/dt exp(ln(x)t) = ln(x)exp(ln(x)t) by the chain rule, while d/dt (1/ln(x)) = 0 since the expression is constant with respect to t.

There are convergence considerations that were not discussed in the blog post, but the computations seem to be correct.

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impossiblefork
6 hours ago
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Ah, yes. I don't understand how I differentiated with respect to x instead of t, but...
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zeroonetwothree
7 hours ago
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It’s interesting he mentions he doesn’t like contour integration since many integrals can be done either way.

Feynman’s trick is equivalent to extending it into a double integral and then switching the order of integration.

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measurablefunc
6 hours ago
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Don't forget to check for the necessary measurability & integrability of the sections (f(a, y), f(x, b)) before switching the order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fubini%27s_theorem?useskin=vec....
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dunham
5 hours ago
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This reminds me of the "snake oil method" for generating functions. It's been many years, but I remember it as adding another sigma and then swapping them.
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jmyeet
1 hour ago
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Back in college I stopped doing maths in second year as a major because of the way it was taught. I just hated it. Numerical methodds in particular broke me. My main problem was we never really got told how things fit together. Resources like 3blue1brown just didn't exist at that time, sadly. We just had dusty and expensive and very dry textbooks to rely on. For example, we just got through into ODEs and were told "just use e^at". We started doing contour integrals without really telling us what was going on. Honestly, things like linearity were never really taught for basic stuff like derivatives and integrals.

But I had always loved maths and went back to it much later. After having done some computer science, some concepts just made it click more for me. Like sets were a big one. Seeing functions as just a mapping between sets. Seeing functions as set elements. Seeing derivatives and integrals as simply the mapping between sets of functions.

What fascinates me is that differentiation is solved, basically. Don't come at me about known closed form expressions. But integration is not. Now this makes a certain amount of sense. Differentiation is non-injective after all. But what's more fascinating (and possibly really good evidence of my own neurodivergence) is that integration isn't just an algorithm. It requires some techniques to find, of which the Feynman technique is just one. I think I was introduced to it with the Basel problem. I have to confess I end up watching daily Tiktok integration problems. It scratches an itch.

I kinda wish I'd made it to complex analysis at least in college. I mean I kinda did. I do remember doing something with contour integrals. But it just wasn't structured well. By that I mean Laplace transforms, poles of a function in the S-plane and analytic continuations.

I'm not particularly proficient at the Feynman technique. Like I can't generally spot the alpha substitution that should be made. Maybe one day.

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CyberDildonics
6 minutes ago
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This seems like a bizarre comment that has almost nothing to do with the title.
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