Intel could return to Apple computers in 2027
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mosura
12 minutes ago
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The most obvious thing would be Intel making security processor modules. Get the supply chain for those onshore, from the US point of view.

Doesn’t require the absolute latest processes.

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ggm
8 minutes ago
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I think this is a very astute comment.

It reminded me that for a while all SIM everywhere seemed to come from one european chip plant, although now I say it I wonder if they were just the assembly & packaging and fabrication was offshore?

In both cases (tpm and sim) the cynic would say it's only deciding which economy owns the back-door.

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jsheard
43 minutes ago
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The funniest outcome would be Apple throwing so much money at Intel Foundry that they end up monopolizing the leading-edge nodes, like they do at TSMC, leaving the rest of Intel to fight for scraps on their own production lines. I guess Intel also uses TSMC now but... yeah, as mentioned.
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phkahler
29 minutes ago
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At that point Intel would be a highly successful foundry business! Then they could make very high performance RISC-V cores and offer them to foundry customers who need CPU. No need for legacy x86 at that point.
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schainks
25 minutes ago
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Apple did this before with Samsung, I can totally see them doing this to Intel.
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andy_ppp
40 minutes ago
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I think the costs in the contract when Intel don’t deliver the volume and yields will effectively mean Apple ends up owning the remains of the company.
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GenerWork
11 minutes ago
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That would be an interesting play. Acquire a chip design and foundry company all because they couldn't meet the purposely stringent deadline, and then use their expertise and assets to produce AI chips for yourself.
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umanwizard
32 seconds ago
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[delayed]
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poemxo
27 minutes ago
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I trust TSMC more than Intel, and I can't help but wonder if this is related https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46045236
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ajross
2 minutes ago
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If one executive hire was all it took to steal a whole process node, TSMC could never have built the lead it has (nor Intel the lead it had in previous decades).

Semiconductor manufacturing is an exercise in blood, tears and careful note taking, not Magic Secrets.

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echelon_musk
30 minutes ago
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If Intel make the CPUs in the USA are they going to be shipped to China for final assembly?
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tantalor
27 minutes ago
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Why not? A single Boeing 747-8F could carry 10M-50M chips in a single trip.
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bhouston
6 minutes ago
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I'm going to call it now, the next big heist movie is going to be about hijacking a plane/container full of AI chips valued at >$1B.
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epicureanideal
21 minutes ago
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The value of that airplane would be astronomical. I would split it up into dozens of flights just to reduce risk if one of them had a mechanical problem.
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wil421
3 minutes ago
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No, they send them back to china to put them in the retail box.
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xnx
35 minutes ago
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bhouston
50 minutes ago
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Returning as a US on shore manufacturer of Apple designed chips, and apparently not the leading edge ones. This feels like making Trump happy while Apple keeps full control.
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simpsond
48 minutes ago
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Getting foundry services off the ground requires starting somewhere. Apple is hedging. I don’t see it as a bad thing for Intel.
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JumpCrisscross
44 minutes ago
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> don’t see it as a bad thing for Intel

Isn't this a ringing success for their strategy of separating chip design from fabrication?

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bluGill
21 minutes ago
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Not clear - design depends on what can be fabricated. If you do both you get options to talk in the middle of design for both. Maybe, who knows.
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silisili
44 minutes ago
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I'm kinda surprised this deal seems to be 18A still. While progress, 14A is what really matters, as Intel has more or less been threatening to just give up if they don't get a large 14A commitment(unless that's changed recently).

Though, if this goes well, it stands to reason Apple may be that needed commitment.

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bluGill
22 minutes ago
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This might make Trump happy, but more importantly it makes the military happy. No military leader with any intelligence is happy with so much critical for war supply chain being in China or Taiwan - the two are showing signs of going to war with each other in the future. (it may not happen, but there are enough signs military and political leaders should worry). Military leaders are not just the US, leaders in Europe are happy too - they may not trust the US but the US is still at least a second option (and Trump is 79: he is statistically unlikely to live much longer)
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throwaway48476
40 minutes ago
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Dual sourcing keeps prices low.
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ChrisArchitect
1 hour ago
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bhouston
49 minutes ago
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I think a lot missed it because of Thanksgiving in the US.
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awestroke
55 minutes ago
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Well I sure hope not. I'll never buy a mac with an Intel processor again
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725686
53 minutes ago
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The very first sentence of the article: "Will Apple turn to Intel for production of its M-series chips in 2027? " So it is not returning to Intel architecture.
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Findecanor
43 minutes ago
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Perhaps the headline should have been changed when the post was made here.
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Tagbert
30 minutes ago
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Or people should read beyond the headline before commenting
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morshu9001
2 minutes ago
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Maybe they did and just really hate Intel fab
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kotaKat
36 minutes ago
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“Intel-manufactured Apple Silicon could return to Apple’s computers in 2027”
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downrightmike
1 minute ago
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Dirt cheap M1's?
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Analemma_
53 minutes ago
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They're talking about Intel fabbing Apple Silicon chips, not going back to x86.
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