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rPlayer6554

3 hours ago

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Very interesting that Valve and Framework seem to be throwing their eggs in the Arch basket over Debian/Ubuntu. When I got my first computer, I installed Ubuntu because it was dominant. Maybe it still is for the average Linux downloader, but why are the Hardware companies more into Arch?

[1] https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages

vitorsr

2 hours ago

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> over Debian/Ubuntu

And over Fedora/RHEL. If I had to guess, it could be that new entrants find it easier to submit changes to Arch Linux packages [1]. ChromeOS also steered away from Debian-based distributions, choosing a Gentoo base.

Bolwin

1 hour ago

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They're not though. They're supporting debian and bazzite which is fedora based and have worked with fedora extensively. See https://frame.work/de/en/blog/framework-sponsorships

nickorlow

2 hours ago

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I'd think it's because they're introducing updates to address issues w/ the hardware quickly and want a rolling-release distro so users can get the updates faster.

vitorsr

2 hours ago

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Debian testing is about as stable as it gets while also being a rolling distribution. The promotion of package updates from unstable to testing does not take that long either depending on the severity. I would venture a guess that there is more to it.

mappu

10 minutes ago

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Testing doesn't get timely security updates. Arch is more like Sid anyway.

crowcroft

2 hours ago

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If only Arch supported Arm.

OsrsNeedsf2P

1 hour ago

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I run Arch Linux on my M1, is that not arm?

- https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux

yjftsjthsd-h

1 hour ago

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No, you run an Arch derivative.

> Arch Linux is an independently developed, x86-64 general-purpose GNU/Linux distribution that strives to provide the latest stable versions of most software by following a rolling release model.

> This page complements the Installation guide with instructions specific to Apple Macs. The Arch installation image supports Apple Macs with Intel processors, but neither PowerPC nor Apple Silicon processors.

(emphasis mine)

- https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mac

(FWIW, I understand that there is benefit to good coverage of a narrower scope, but I do wish Arch would fold https://archlinuxarm.org/ into the main project and be officially multi-arch, but that is not the world we live in.)

grawlinson

31 minutes ago

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Arch package manager here, there is ongoing work behind the scenes to support multiple architectures (aarch64, riscv, etc), but as our volunteers (myself included) are doing this in our free time, progress is up in the air.

yjftsjthsd-h

12 minutes ago

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That's great to hear:) Given the long-term existence of eg. https://archlinux32.org/ and https://archlinuxarm.org/ I had always assumed that this was purely a question of policy and that Arch had no interest in supporting anything else. I found https://rfc.archlinux.page/0032-arch-linux-ports/ ; is there anything else I could read to catch up on the state of things?

whatevaa

1 hour ago

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Core arch linux doesn't support it, it's an offshoot.

2 hours ago

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Personally I'd also think it would be a better engineering choice for Valve to base SteamOS on Fedora Atomic, as it supports the immutable OS paradigm a lot better imo. Especially now with progress in bootc/oci/ostree.

k_bx

3 hours ago

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How is project like Framework Laptop able to sponsor anyone? Are they profitable? Had an impression they're more of a startup stage project far from profitability.

pixelpoet

2 hours ago

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Me and a buddy have bought 3 Framework Desktops between us, they are just otherworldly awesome machines, and a good bit more expensive than the other Strix Halo models. I haven't been this excited about a computer since my i7 920 (Nehalem) in 2008, it's absolute alien technology.

I've also finally made the switch from a lifetime of Windows to Linux, and it just so happened to be CachyOS. The snappiness is just infinitely refreshing, to say nothing of not constantly submitting to Microsoft's dark patterns, so I'm super happy to see this news <3 Go Framework and AMD, go CachyOS and Linux!

Poll: Can Microsoft gargle my whole balls?

[A] Yes.

[B] Maybe later.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have the rest of the month to spend on vacation in my pyjamas coding ultra high precision N-body simulations and rendering them in 8K 60Hz entirely on CPU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz1Od_jkkFg) using my amazing new computer.

Hbruz0

1 hour ago

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Obligatory question, how is the battery life, the sleep settings etc ?

aidenn0

1 hour ago

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I'm pretty sure the Framework Desktop has zero minutes of battery life.

pixelpoet

1 hour ago

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It's a desktop mini PC, there's no battery. There are laptops with the same Ryzen AI 395+ CPU+RAM, but I'm doing heavy rendering / computing (actually I got it for rendering work, not AI stuff) and laptops are a bad form factor for that.

Sleep mode... works? I actually turned it off because I have long-running processes and it only uses 4W at idle with the screens off. It's 8W at idle with a 4K 160Hz monitor and a 1440p 144Hz monitor, which IMO is Alien Fucking Technology, considering there's a > 5GHz 16 core CPU with 128GB RAM (4 channels like Threadrippers, vs 2 for normal desktop CPUs) in there.

gbuk2013

38 minutes ago

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Obviously it has no battery, being a desktop. Regarding sleep, under Debian 13 it supports S0 (s2idle) only, which works without issue.

    $ cat /sys/power/state
    freeze mem

WhyNotHugo

2 hours ago

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Framework is a not a huge organisation. This sponsorship consists of a few laptops and committing to a $250 monthly donation. There’s no contradiction here. CachyOS is also not a huge project.

k_bx

2 hours ago

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Thanks, it makes at least some sense then. I'd expect them to sponsor Omarchy similarly then, in my twittersphere that made way more noise lately

embedding-shape

13 minutes ago

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> in my twittersphere that made way more noise

I don't think that carries the weight it used to carry, if it even used to carry any weight. Measuring things by popularity tends to give poor results anyways, you want to sponsor and contribute to good things, regardless of their popularity.

0: https://x.com/dhh/status/1964773032339366006

arjie

12 minutes ago

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Haha, Omarchy doesn't need sponsoring. To quote its creator, dhh[0], in response to the question "how do you plan on building revenue with your OS?":

I don't need revenue. I'm already rich.

2 hours ago

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Even if Framework were to dismiss or overlook the controversy surrounding Omarchys creator, which is ultimately their call, surely there are better ways to allocate OSS funding than sponsoring a multi-millionaire executives pet project. He can afford to bankroll it himself.

KetoManx64

20 minutes ago

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What is the controversy around dhh? That he's conservative leaning?

embedding-shape

5 minutes ago

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dhh always been "controversial", initially it was mostly about strongly held opinions about software, engineering and such, presented in a very vocal way that got a lot of attention at the time. Then at one point Basecamp had some drama about employees calling customers names, which spiraled into a debate about racism and company culture, and ultimately leading to Basecamp banning "discussions about society and politics" or similar. More recently he started sharing opinions about London having too many foreigners, immigrant communities having gangs of groomers or something, and a bunch of Ruby community members have written publicly about what they think about him.

The air around dhh always been dramatic for various reasons, not sure that particular theme is new. But I think is new is that currently people are re-evaluating if they want a prominent community leader to have views that could be seen as "against" members of the community they're supposedly leaders over.

zorpner

4 minutes ago

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Here's a good summary of some recent stuff: https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro...

2 hours ago

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> in my twittersphere that made way more noise lately

Its because while CachyOS does novel things, Omarchy is basically just an opinionated Arch Linux install script made from a racist. Thats why some people mistrust the intention from Framework.

k_bx

2 hours ago

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Some people mistrust the intention from Framework because Omarchy is made by a racist?

gclawes

3 hours ago

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I think drumming up interest in getting users to run Linux on frameworks is a way for them to go back to vendors and try to get them to fix issues like power consumption that bugs the hell out of users (looking at you AMD)

paxys

2 hours ago

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> Framework has not only provided us with a Framework Laptop 16 to help us optimize our kernel and packages on modern hardware, but they have also committed to a $250 monthly donation.

I'm gonna guess a laptop and a few thousand dollars (over years) isn't exactly breaking the bank.

https://frame.work/hu/en/blog/framework-sponsorships

pella

2 hours ago

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dangus

2 hours ago

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I think they are doing quite well, the CEO mentioned in a town hall video somewhere that they have strongest growth in the business segment where there are a lot of buyers who like the idea of a computer that their IT department can repair.

I also don't think these project sponsorships cost a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. I imagine they are basically part of the marketing budget.

When one of your main customer targets is Linux users, spending 5 figures on sponsoring a Linux project might be more effective than spending 5 figures on ad impressions.

2 hours ago

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Yeah, I recommended we buy Framework Laptops for the Linux users in my company and we are quite happy with it.

I imagine I'm not the only one doing that.

3 hours ago

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They've raised about $45M in venture capital to date. I don't think they are profitable yet, but they at least have other people's money to throw around for now.

bee_rider

2 hours ago

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Nice, they will probably be able to buy like 128GB of ram in 2026.

ignoramous

2 hours ago

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> They raised about $45M in venture capital

Impressive for a hardware upstart (which are usually relatively capital intensive), no?

> at least have other people's money to throw around for now.

Speaking of other people's money... Framework's been sponsoring many a project, some of which are controversial on their forums: https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...

https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...

sudobash1

1 hour ago

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It looks a little bit like a tempest in a teapot to me, but I'm impressed with their community guidelines. That thread got an exception to allow for more discussion, and it even permits "Critiques of Framework as a company" and "Calls for boycotts or product criticism".

debo_

51 minutes ago

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I can see why they would do this. There's a vocal minority of completely unhinged Linux people. I've been running different Linux distros since 2002 and it has irritated me since then.

erxam

36 minutes ago

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Who cares if they're profitable? They want to push a right-wing agenda and no amount of silly things such as 'financial sense' will stop them.

When you have a techbro Vivek Ramaswamy as your head whose greatest desire is to be recognized as a honorary white by other techbros, nothing can ever stand in your way.

culi

20 minutes ago

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Is CachyOS going to be to Framework as Pop!_OS is to system76?

Cyao

3 hours ago

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Hope this doesn't end up political... Last time the entire Framework Discord's mod team went on strike because of a controversial sponsorship, and ended with the closure of the discord.

[1]: https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ... [2]: https://drewdevault.com/2023/09/17/Hyprland-toxicity.html

saghm

2 hours ago

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I hadn't heard about this before, so in case anyone else is also curious and wants to save some googling, it sounds like was a few months ago when they sponsored Hyprland[1]. I hadn't heard about controversy with Hyprland before, only being vaguely aware of it, but the forum thread I linked to further links to this blog post[2] with more details.

2 hours ago

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drewdevault should be the last person anybody uses as a judge of character or facts

https://dmpwn.info/

2 hours ago

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I have more of an Issue with the Omarchy sponsorship. While i disagree with Hyprland's maintainer at least Hyprland is actually engineering something great and making it free software. Omarchy is basically just a script.

zbuttram

2 hours ago

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Not a fan of either but I feel obligated to point out they don't appear to be sponsoring Omarchy, they just posted about it on their social media account(s). Hyprland they actually did do a small sponsorship for.

1 hour ago

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Yeah I think there might be a mixup with Cloudflare, who are sponsoring Omarchy.

varun_ch

1 hour ago

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Omarchy is the passion project of a really wealthy person and is backed by his profitable business. What does ‘sponsoring Omarchy’ mean? Like.. where does that money go?

https://blog.cloudflare.com/supporting-the-future-of-the-ope...

1 hour ago

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I think it amounts to providing free premium CDN service, the stuff you'd usually have to pay for. They didn't say anything about cash money changing hands.

varun_ch

1 hour ago

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That’s really reasonable then (I guess apart from any disagreements with the authors views). Omarchy isn’t just a post installation script, they have the entire thing bundled as an ISO. So I can see why an in-kind sponsorship of a CDN makes sense. Although it’s still unclear to me how Omarchy specifically fits into ‘the future of the open web’ vs Ladybird

2 hours ago

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>ended with the closure of the discord

oh no anyways. Discord user and there mods are probably the last people anybody in the FOSS or real world should care about or associate with.

Cyao

2 hours ago

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Sometimes Discord is still pretty helpful with real-time support. It indeed has its flaws, but some of the best real time help is still given there. I love the C++ discord, it's just filled with gems.

2 hours ago

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>it's just filled with gems

gems not sorted or indexed at all gated behind a account requiring personal information to just view them.

lousken

2 hours ago

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hopefully those people already left last time

2 hours ago

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Nothing of value was lost. Discord is the worst way to engage with any kind of serious community. It's a firehose of prematurely fired off messages, badges, emojis, banners, nitro upgrades, flags. Threading sucks. Ten conversations are usually happening at once. It's like if you had a 100gig connection to the WAL of 4chan plugged directly into your brain. It's no wonder kids these days are all autistic or ADHD.

4O4

49 minutes ago

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While I agree with some of the things said, the last sentence where you started to imply that neurodivergence can be caused by external factors is completely false. These are physical differences in brain's wiring.

ekianjo

36 minutes ago

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> These are physical differences in brain's wiring.

Physical differences that no test can detect?

bitwize

2 hours ago

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Maybe things like that wouldn't happen if Framework didn't sponsor fascists.

rickdg

2 hours ago

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More specifically, sponsoring a white suprematist.

Saline9515

2 hours ago

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But are his opinions relevant here? Do you ask the political opinions of everyone you work with?

2 hours ago

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>Do you ask the political opinions of everyone you work with

they are the HR of IT ofc they do a ideological sniff test on anybody they even so much as talk to. Can't have anybody disagreeing in this tolerant space.

meibo

1 hour ago

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If someone at work was writing blog posts with white-supremacist code, then yes, I would probably go to HR and they would probably get in trouble. Maybe they wouldn't be fired, but they would be placed on another team. And then the people on that team would find the blog posts, and the same thing would happen, and they would probably be let go at some point.

Because people that do that type of thing usually cannot shut up about it.

DetroitThrow

2 hours ago

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Wow, didn't realize they were sponsoring white supremacists. I've bought a framework 13 in the past and believe in their mission, but I don't think I can continue being a customer. Oh well.

dangus

2 hours ago

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This is what the people who are against "cancel culture" are trying to say (although, a lot of those people are still wrong and suck for other reasons): you basically got brief, out of context second-hand information and immediately jumped to the conclusion to boycott this company.

I think it's worth reading what the CEO has to say about it: https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...

Personally I don't get the impression that Framework is endorsing a particular view, nor are they directly sponsoring a specific individual or their views.

It becomes even more difficult when most of these open source projects aren't a one-person endeavor, even if they happen to have a single individual at the helm.

konmok

1 hour ago

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> Personally I don't get the impression that Framework is endorsing a particular view, nor are they directly sponsoring a specific individual or their views.

I agree. However, I do think that Framework is taking a particularly cowardly stance by refusing to acknowledge community concerns, and I think that kind of behavior is exactly how far-right groups gain power in tech spaces. When one group just wants to live in peace, and another group wants to make the first group disappear, organizations that don't distinguish between the two ultimately drive out the peaceful group.

DetroitThrow

1 hour ago

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So they're not sponsoring Omarchy sure, but that the CEO doesn't really respond to the parts where they've advertised Omarchy repeatedly is enough for me to close my wallet going forward. For me, this is a cut and dry issue and you don't have to endorse white supremacy to make it clear you don't have many issues with engaging white supremacists.

DHH has said things beyond the pale, that go as far to say that people like me are not welcome in spaces he tours, not because of my actions but instead my skin color. Framework can flirt with his projects if they want to. I just won't buy their products going forward, and it sounds like they're fine with that. Idrc if it's seen as contributing to cancel culture.

dangus

2 minutes ago

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I can appreciate that you informed yourself well on the issue and weren't just making a knee-jerk reaction like I originally suspected based on your first comment's brevity.

Sleaker

3 hours ago

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Dabbled in CachyOS as a replacement fo my main OS recently it worked well, was trying to do the omarchy on cachy for the kernel improvements but ended up bricking things when trying to update so ended up swapping to omarchy mainline. I am seriously considering swapping back over to cachyos though, seems like it's going in the right direction.

tomega2134

1 hour ago

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It completely blew up for me as well (unbootable) during an update that included the linux-firmware package split from earlier this year. Fortunately this occurred during a testing period in a VM.

Sleaker

1 hour ago

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I was dumb and rebooted without redoing the kernel install, otherwise I probably could have just rolled back and reran mkinit to get fixed but the bootloader entry had already been removed for the old kernel as I think I was also running some cleanup commands, and when I booted to reduced mode I had no network to try and recover so I just decided to reinstall. Helps having a separate drive for files. Didn't have to worry about a backup or anything so it went smooth

heavyset_go

1 hour ago

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It was an Arch-wide thing, there was an announcement on their site about it.

huntercaron

3 hours ago

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Was also looking to see if that was possible recently. Wonder if either party would consider supporting that officially?

eek2121

2 hours ago

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I'm enjoying CachyOS so far. I've been running it for a while without issue.

listic

2 hours ago

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Funny thing, taking into account the state of affairs in the country: CachyOS mirror for Russia is https://archlinux.gay

(I am Russian; left the country in 2022)

syntaxing

3 hours ago

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Wait, I swore Framework was on the sponsor list to begin with when I learned about CachyOS a couple days ago from HN

cmeacham98

3 hours ago

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If it was just a few days ago, maybe they had already added the logo but hadn't posted the announcement yet?

fwip

2 hours ago

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Sounds plausible - looks like it wasn't there in October, but was there yesterday: https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/https://cachyos....

Dwedit

2 hours ago

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What exactly does sponsoring CachyOS mean? Bandwidth and hosting? Money going upstream to the actual developers who make the packages?

bluecalm

3 hours ago

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I am very happy to see it on HN today as I procrastinated half of my day reading about CachyOS, filesystems and then looking at Linux laptops including Framework. A laptop that's tested/shipped with CachyOS would be great. If only I could get a trackpoint/no touchpad version one day :)

bronson

3 hours ago

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They did look into putting a trackpoint in there, but there wasn't enough depth in the keyboard cover to support it. Making it work would take re-doing the whole bottom shell (apparently).

I'm tempted to make a thicker bezel so the screen won't close all the way anymore. Pick up the room for a trackpoint by going wedge shaped! (edit, obvious downside: the screen would be a lot weaker when closed)

tristor

3 hours ago

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This is great news, I migrated from vanilla Arch to CachyOS on my Framework 13 AMD a few months back since I primarily use it for Steam gaming, and it's worked great and netted me around 3fps on average across the games I play. I'm glad to see Framework supporting them directly.

3 hours ago

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I recommend installing proton-catchyos for faster shader compilation as well, but you might run into stability issues if you are on an unstable overclock due to how hard it is able to push the cpu with intrinsics.

Normal stress-ng I barely see 85 degrees while I saw shader compilation clock in 105c.

nialv7

2 hours ago

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what changes did they make to make the shader compilation faster?

2 hours ago

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it's compiled with similar optimizations as the kernel and has access to fast instrinsics (sse, avx)

tristor

2 hours ago

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I am pretty sure this already got installed, but I will double-check. I got a nice speedup for shader compilation afterwards. I am not overclocking my Framework 13.

2 hours ago

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it does not come pre-installed and you have to select it.

unethical_ban

3 hours ago

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I thought that got installed by default anyway

2 hours ago

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me too, until I realized it was a completely independent thing that you can install on any distro

Rebelgecko

3 hours ago

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How does it do with scaling? That's been one of my main pain points with different Linux distros on my Framework (well, that, the trackpad scroll speed, and battery life/suspension)

efficax

2 hours ago

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Everything is "blazingly fast" now. What does it even mean.

OsrsNeedsf2P

1 hour ago

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Start menu loads in under 250ms seconds

3 hours ago

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I just wiped my gaming rig (win11, 12700k, 7900xtx) and installed CachyOS a few days ago. KDE Plasma doesn't work, but Hyprland and Gnome do. I was playing Arc Raiders with a friend within an hour of starting the install. So far everything works, and it even sleeps and wakes without issue.

Ocerge

3 hours ago

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I did _exactly_ this 3 days ago after I hit a random keyboard chord on accident and brought up CoPilot (which I don't recall installing). I had held on to Windows for gaming just because I didn't want to fuss with Linux, but it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Instantly installed CachyOS onto a USB stick and formatted my entire drive.

I use KDE Plasma and it worked just fine. In fact all of my games (including Arc Raiders) are working just fine on Proton 10, maybe running slightly worse. The only issue I've run into is getting battle.net working through Lutris; I ended up manually installing it through Proton 10 on Steam and it worked just fine. Wish I made the switch earlier.

belthesar

2 hours ago

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Lutris by default will use an older WINE version (something based on WINE8 IIRC) by default for reasons I don't quite understand. You can, however, configure Lutris to use proton-cachyos by default, to which I was able to get Battle.net to install and work correctly without issues. Not sure what feature was implemented in later WINE to make that work better, but it works.

rdudek

3 hours ago

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I got Battle.net working through Steam. The way I have it is I add the battle.net installer into steam, add proton compatibility, once you run it it installs, but next time you run it, it just opens the launcher unless it needs an update. Then you can install World of Warcraft and other games there and run.

So far so good running CachyOS and KDE Plasma.

attendant3446

3 hours ago

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I've been using CachyOS with Plasma desktop for a long time now. Including my gaming PC. Zero problems. But I don't play any online games.

honeycrispy

3 hours ago

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I love KDE, but it's too buggy for me. About once a day the bottom dock would just disappear. I really wish they'd focus a little more on stability.

I use Sway on CachyOS, and to me it's the perfect DE. Being able to switch between windows in under a quarter of a second indispensable once you've experienced it.

2 hours ago

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> switch between windows in under a quarter of a second

I would hope so! 250ms is an extremely long time to switch windows.

dartharva

2 hours ago

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You'd probably want to use an X11-based DE like Cinnamon instead, many games still don't play well with wayland.

magguzu

23 minutes ago

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Don't Steam Deck games run on Wayland?

Kudos

2 hours ago

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This has not been my experience. I've an Nvidia desktop and AMD HTPC, both running Wayland and a wide variety of games. What's more, they both do variable sync and HDR.

53 minutes ago

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I haven't used X since 2022. Wayland has been pretty solid for me - although the fractional scaling issue is going to plague us well into 2030 at this rate.

I'll give it a spin though, worth a shot.

desireco42

2 hours ago

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Oh man, now another distro will be labeled nazi... just not that, oh no :) haha!

I love Omarchy, I am sure Cachy is great, just don't feel the need to change much of anything.

af_arc

2 hours ago

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No Omartchy?