My productivity app is a never-ending .txt file (2020)
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analogpixel
8 hours ago
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I've been noticing lately, at least for myself, that useful technology stopped happening like 10-20 years ago. If all you could use was tech from 2000 and before you would have a pretty stable stack that just worked (without a monthly subscription.)

There is also this article today: https://jon.recoil.org/blog/2025/12/an-svg-is-all-you-need.h... about how great good ol' svg is. And then every recurring article about using RSS instead of all the other siloed products.

textfiles, makefiles, perl, php, rss, text based email, news groups, irc, icq, vim/emacs, sed, awk; all better than the crap they have spawned that is supposed to be "better".

Out of curiosity, what technology in the past 5 years do you use that you actually find better than something from 20 years ago?

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calmbonsai
4 hours ago
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- Uv for Python

- Nix

- Performant Virtualization

- Ghostty

- DuckDB and, in general, performant OLAP

Don't get me wrong as I do feel the core of your thesis is correct. Emacs is my editor and I just finished writing a nicely recursive set of gMake for cloud a pipeline. Most of my core software tools haven't changed appreciably since the mid 2000s--right around the time git came out.

edit: I had no idea Nix was so old. I guess it just feels very "new" in my zeitgeist.

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lurk2
6 hours ago
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> all you could use was tech from 2000 and before you would have a pretty stable stack that just worked

The improvements made during the late 2000s and 2010s mostly had to do with making the functionality of these technologies accessible to non-technical users. I was younger and probably more mentally agile back then, but I remember the first iTouch I ever bought being very intuitive to use; you could usually intimate what you wanted to do without even looking it up. I got so accustomed to this intuitiveness (Windows Vista being an unhappy interruption in those series of memories) that by the time Windows 8 rolled around I was completely taken aback by how bad it was.

I mentioned in another comment that these productivity apps only really see a positive net expected value at the enterprise level, where they aren’t primarily used for efficiency but as coordination mechanisms and institutional memory. Individual users can only really hope to take advantage of them if they are intuitive to use.

From what I’ve observed, most of these UX failures are not the result of a lack of technical aptitude, nor an issue of cost, but of failures in institutional coordination (principal-agent problems and things like that) or the market simply being cornered; both follow the general trend of consolidation in the tech industry. The companies that are making most of our software are huge and they lack the competition to incentivize them to improve.

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loloquwowndueo
5 hours ago
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What’s an iTouch?
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techno-beetle
4 hours ago
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iTouch was a common nickname for the iPod Touch[0]. It was essentially an iPhone without a cellular connection.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Touch

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loloquwowndueo
4 hours ago
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Oh I know what an iPod touch is but I never saw that nickname anywhere.
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xeromal
2 hours ago
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It's what the kids called it growing up in the aughts
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Mongoose
8 hours ago
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I'd say Obsidian (just over five years old, since its first release), which is ironic because it's basically just a UI on top of text files.
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antiframe
5 hours ago
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I don't think it's better than org-mode, but org-mode is also post-2000 so doesn't count here. Obsidian isn't open source, isn't plain text enough, and is slow.

Markdown also falls outside the pre-2000 window as well. But, it's closely based on email and news conventions.

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Zambyte
2 hours ago
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What do you mean by "isn't plain text enough"? I haven't used it, but the only thing I imagine would be indexing with a database, but you can just use plain text tools like grep (or rg) to fill the gaps.
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analogpixel
7 hours ago
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I'd definitely agree with you on that one. Also notice how the company doesn't push monthly subscriptions on people and just lets their program exist out there.
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Obscurity4340
6 hours ago
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Logseq for me. Its just so powerful, the infinite nesting and draggable indents and zooming
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snowfield
7 hours ago
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But it's not, it's a database. That is annoyingøy hard to move around and version control
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incanus77
4 hours ago
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I backup my Obsidian vault weekly by blindly committing the stuff in `.obsidian` and then reviewing the changes to the `.md` files themselves. It's not version control, per se, but at least a backup and record.
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physicles
40 minutes ago
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Yep, I have a cron that does git add . && git commit -m “daily commit”. Haven’t touched it in a couple years.
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jaredklewis
4 hours ago
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I feel like most things I use existed 5 years ago, but now they are just better versions of what they were 5 years ago. TypeScript, Rust, JetBrains IDEs, Firefox, Slack, iTerm2, Sublime Text, Apple iMessages.
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ivanjermakov
6 hours ago
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No media other than plain text can come even close to the quantity and quality of tooling we have for it. Plain text is amazing to read, edit, share, version, tts, print and all of it with nearly maximum space efficientcy.
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wkat4242
2 hours ago
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For me:

- Obsidian notes with self hosted livesync

- VR <3

- 3D Printing

Probably a lot more that i can't think of right now. What I hate it cloud subscription services though

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Zambyte
2 hours ago
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What do you use VR for? If gaming, what games?
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sshine
4 hours ago
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> what technology in the past 5 years do you use [...]

I don't use any software made in the past 5 years.

I think software has improved in the last 20 years.

  - Linux container runtimes
  - Linux hardware support
  - NixOS (19.5 years old!)
My terminal has more colors. My browser got slower.

My vi became vim became neovim. The keybindings are almost the same, but they adapt to newer virtual terminals.

As a programmer, my ability to express myself has got more nuanced. Programming languages have got better.

But the software itself doesn't seem to be better. Everything still depends on C, and the older programs live the longest.

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mongol
6 hours ago
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Sqlite is better now than 20 years ago. Java is better now than Java 20 years ago. Linux init systems are better. Virtualization, containeristion etc are better.
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james_marks
5 hours ago
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I hear you, but there are true moments of progress.

Vue is a huge improvement over jQuery, is the first one that roughly hit your timeframe.

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johnfn
7 hours ago
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Surely there are some!

I think AI is the obvious one. Also, VSCode (or whatever modern IDE you use) is definitely better than the IDEs that existed 20 years ago. LSP is fantastic. Hm... StackOverflow was definitely a step change over existing tools. Godot is really good, much better than anything that came before, IMO. Modern languages are pretty good these days - Rust and TypeScript are better than languages in the 2000s, to name two of the top of my head.

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abraxas
6 hours ago
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Quite honestly if you put ai aside and just look at VsCode and typescript which is a common drug of choice these days the Java plus Eclipse of 20 years ago was the superior toolkit. At least semantic search and refactoring worked reliably.
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hatthew
5 hours ago
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Eclipse was great for java specifically, but a lot of its useful/reliable features came from java being easy to standardize around. Strong static typing and javadocs combined allow for a lot of convenient and reliable features like previews, intellisense, refactoring, etc. For me, vscode feeling worse come from the fact that I'm using it for python and javascript which are inherently harder to design IDE features for, and also vscode is designed to be a good all-round programming editor, not a java-specific editor.

Taking its broader scope into account, I feel like vscode is a significantly better IDE than eclipse, though if I went back to exclusively coding in java and nothing else ever, I might switch back to it.

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abraxas
6 hours ago
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Actually I'll go against the grain here in saying this but I do find LLMs quite useful for a number of tasks. However you won't find an argument that the first two decades of the 21st century were mostly a waste of time in terms of what was built and how little the envelope got pushed outside machine learning. As an old backend developer I find the rise and fall of the nosql mania particularly infuriating.
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throwaway613745
9 hours ago
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With notepad.exe:

At the first line of the a .txt file put .LOG This will then put a timestamp at the end of the file every time you open it.

Also, if you press the F5 key it inserts a timestamp.

Been using this for years and it's pretty much all I ever needed.

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discordance
2 hours ago
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That's cool. I just tested it out and noticed notepad.exe has become a markdown editor/viewer too.

Not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

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tobinfekkes
8 hours ago
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These are incredible! Learn something new every day, thank you for sharing.

Documented here: https://www.pctips.com/notepad-tips-and-tricks/

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LandenLove
6 hours ago
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Neat! Thanks for sharing
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crm9125
5 hours ago
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Huh, TIL.
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TZubiri
6 hours ago
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Thank you throwaway613745!
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miladyincontrol
9 hours ago
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Gonna be honest, my productivity app once upon a time was unsaved sublime text documents
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jorl17
9 hours ago
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You mean it hasn’t been that way for the last 14 years and it hasn’t survived 5 different computer changes and a dozen or so OS migrations and you don’t still have a tiny document with “fun business ideas” to start that company with your fresh out of college gang right next to that “how to organize a great 10 year reunion” sheet from 3 years ago?

Must be a me thing, then.

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chanux
1 hour ago
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My productivity app at work was Notepad++

I have seen colleagues using an almost append only txt file with notepad.exe. It worked for them I guess, but there were some features I could not live without on Notepad++

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tobinfekkes
9 hours ago
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Mine is the same, but unsaved files in Notepad++
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nottorp
8 hours ago
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TextMate here. Unsaved ofc.
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alexchantavy
2 hours ago
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This is still my way of doing things!!

What have you moved on to?

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lycos
9 hours ago
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For me it often still is.. at least when I'm working alone on something / no collaboration needed. Every time I try something else I revert back to this, although sometimes I do save the files, eventually.
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winrid
9 hours ago
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Scratch files in jetbrains ides also!
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65
9 hours ago
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My productivity app is a sketchbook and a pencil, if anyone knows what those are.
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neutronicus
3 hours ago
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For me it was a ream of printer paper and a mug full of random writing implements.

IMO the platform is unmatched at rapid on-demand WYSIWYG visualization.

Not so great for a productivity app, though. Too easy to lose important information when it's on the same sheet of paper as a drawing of a graph algorithm that turned out to be wrong, and trying to remember whether x cross y positive implies x right or left of y.

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bottlepalm
9 hours ago
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I used to have a zillion todo txt files in the early 2000's, migrated to OneNote around 2005 and have been using the same OneNote notebook for 20 years now. My life is in there - 20 years worth of todos, lists, thoughts, ideas, etc.. always evolving, perfectly synchronized across computers and mobile. I'm referencing and updating my OneNote all day as I get things done, have ideas, and think of new things to do, or things to remembers. It's an extension of my brain at this point.

I've tried alternatives, but OneNote has been simple and reliable, it just works everywhere. Probably one of the most important apps in my life.

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roncesvalles
7 hours ago
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Same but with Keep and GDocs. I still use a local neverending txt like TFA though, as a short-term todo list + clipboard. Short thoughts and little factoids like license plate numbers, appointments, and restaurant recommendations go on Keep (although some of those "short thoughts" have ended up busting the character limit). Refined structured notes end up in a GDoc by topic. Some of my GDocs are now the size of small textbooks. I also love Google Takeout so that I can backup it all up periodically.

I would say, just as you would about OneNote, Keep is one of the most important apps in my life.

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dctoedt
8 hours ago
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Could you please say more about your day-to-day with OneNote? How is your notebook organized, how do you add to it, how do you review it, etc.?
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Brajeshwar
1 hour ago
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Been in a similar philosophy for a while now. I like the idea of staying native to the OS, using open formats as much as possible, and using interoperable toolings.

The idea is to approach content as data-first, with tools on top, and be at ease with plans to Walk-Out when needed.

Besides the article in discussion, here are a few inspirations for plain-text as the defaults.

- The writing of our very own Obsidian’s CEO, Steph Ango at https://stephango.com @kepano on HN.

- A Plain Text Personal Organizer, https://danlucraft.com/blog/2008/04/plain-text-organizer/

- A template to organise life in plain text, https://github.com/jukil/plain-text-life

- Achieve a text-only work-flow, http://donlelek.github.io/2015-03-09-text-only-workflow/

- Note Taking, Writing and Life Organization Using Plain Text Files, http://www.markwk.com/plain-text-life.html

- Plain Text Journaling System, https://georgecoghill.wordpress.com/plain-text/

- Plain Text Project, https://plaintextproject.online/

- PlainText Productivity, http://plaintext-productivity.net/

- The Plain Text Life: Note Taking, Writing and Life Organization Using Plain Text Files, http://www.markwk.com/plain-text-life.html

- Use plain text email, https://useplaintext.email/

- Writing Plain Text by Derek Sivers, https://sive.rs/plaintext

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frenzcan
8 hours ago
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Once I realised I rarely read my notes, I now put them in a single note and prepend it when I add something new. It’s weird but I think the value I get from notes is in the writing of them, it’s a way of thinking rather than for recall.
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coliveira
7 hours ago
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Agreed, I always add to the top of my note files. You can also use timestamps so you know when something was created. Nowadays I use this just like a notebook, adding new pages to the top. You can use it to write not only simple notes, but anything you want, like for example the 1st draft of a book or report you're creating. Even some coding can be done this way.
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xboxnolifes
4 hours ago
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It really is in the writing and not the referencing 95% of the time. That's why I tend to hand-write my notes. If it 's something I think I should have for reference, I'll transcribe, bookmark a reference, or something.
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mvkel
1 hour ago
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I am convinced that this is how you could run a successful sales team in the ~dozens at a software company before needing a dedicated crm. We prematurely opted for a crm once we had five sales folks and so many calories were burned just managing the systems to ensure the data was just so. "Clean data" was our obsession. Huge waste of time.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it how we started: sales meeting every Monday. Open last week's meeting text file. Review the current status of deals. Remove ones that are dead, add ones that are new, update ones that changed. Save file. See you next week.

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bboozzoo
9 hours ago
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I do something similar but with Emacs and org mode. I start a new file each time I join a new company and just keep on updating it with things as I'm progressing through my day. The one I carry right now goes back as far as Dec 2017. It's a super useful resource for dailies, or looking back at what you did. Heck I even add TODOs and shell snippets that I often find useful. If you feed it to some LLM then you can even do nice summaries and meaningful searches that aren't necessarily based on single keywords.
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reddit_clone
8 hours ago
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Yep. Org-gtd, Org-Roam and Org-journal user here. Haven't needed anything else. All local, searchable with deft and old fashioned grep.
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erelong
39 minutes ago
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I do this with plain text but hear me out:

multiple files

multiple directories (folders)

(scripts)

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_spduchamp
8 hours ago
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I use a google spreadsheet. Shortcut on my phone home screen so I can add items any time easily.

I log all my lab work and how many hours I've worked in a day and it calculates my hours in a separate tab automatically. Items I need to follow up on are in bold, and get unbolded when I've followed up on them. When I have to write a report, everything is there in chronological order and it is super easy to take the relevant lines and write out the path of my work. When I get into the lab, I open my sheet and bam! I'm right where I left off before I can have the first sip of coffee.

This has been a complete game changer for me.

I've never been so organized in my life.

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runjake
8 hours ago
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> I use a google spreadsheet. Shortcut on my phone home screen so I can add items any time easily.

And if you aren't already doing this, you can set up a Google Form for mobile that asks for input and then puts the data into the spreadsheet. I do this for exercise tracking and it works great.

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davidzimmerjr
9 hours ago
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txt file is great. Makes me wonder, does the author always have their laptop on them since that's the only place I know of where a txt file can live? Do they go to sleep and wake up next to their laptop?

I've always been an iPhone user and have never seen a .txt file on one and probably you wouldn't be able to edit one on an iPhone if you did have it in Files app - I'm not counting Notes app as a text file here.

I do quarterly notes inside of Notes app but it mostly non-work related stuff and doesn't integrate well with desktop since its kind of a pain to login to iCloud from browser. Quarterly notes bc once the note gets too long, it gets very laggy on phone and is difficult to navigate; i.e. getting to the bottom to write a new line can be tough on mobile.

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hexasquid
2 hours ago
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https://gitjournal.io/ is something I've started using recently. I edit Markdown notes on my mobile device, and they are then automatically synced to a Git repository.
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themadturk
8 hours ago
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There are multiple text editors that work just fine on iPhone, certainly on Android as well. Textastic and Runestone are two for iOS (there are more). They read and write text files just fine. You can even keep them version controlled in Github or other Git systems using Working Copy, which allows flexibility in modifying the text file in multiple locations.
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arduinomancer
8 hours ago
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You don't have to use the same solution for work and personal notes
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wkat4242
2 hours ago
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Yeah I don't either, I have to use onenote at work and i use obsidian personally. I'd be a lot more productive if I'd be able to use obsidian there though. Onenote is a turd.
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snowfield
7 hours ago
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"I use Remote Desktop so everything is accessible from every device"
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NickNaraghi
8 hours ago
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Have used this approach for 8 years. Only improvement I can recommend is creating a new txt every quarter (or so) and manually adding everything back to the list to declutter. Works better than any todo app I’ve used (dozens).
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jay_kyburz
35 minutes ago
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I've been using this method for 25 years, but ruthlessly delete completed tasks and things I decided I don't want to do after all. Kind of like inbox 0, but for my _todo.txt

I would probably keep my notes if I had to report to anybody or needed to keep a track of what I was doing, but luckily I haven't needed to do that for a long time.

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tunaoftheland
9 hours ago
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One thing I would like about this system is that I wouldn't get incessant notifications about things I haven't yet done lol. I do think that building a habit to check on a txt file periodically (like the author says) to stay on top of things is better for emotional health than a wall of notifications on the phone lock screen that I've been conditioned to just tap on and select "Remind me tomorrow " without even thinking.

Knowing myself, though, I don't think I'd keep up with this since it would take mental strength on my part to overthink the data structure for the task entry. I've been thinking about how I might also track emotional impact of my todo items on me. I wonder if the open nature of a txt file would be good for instant journaling about things that give me stress?

I really like having some guardrails when it comes to organizing thoughts so this system might not be for me. Also building up the daily habit to organize the todos at the end of each day is something I'd probably struggle with for a while. I do agree that is a great habit to have, still.

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coliveira
7 hours ago
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You can use your note files for journaling as well. I always add new content on the top with a timestamp, it works just like having a physical notebook where you add new pages, only these new pages go to the top.
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rdlw
8 hours ago
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Maybe printing the first (last?) line of a file whenever a terminal is opened would work
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Egor3f
8 hours ago
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I use tasks.org android app (I use my smartphone for everything (except programming or server administration) as I love cellphones and portability)

Tasks.org has cool filter system, which alongside it's widget makes me list of everything that's important to me just on home screen of my smartphone. For example, I can make a filter "tasks starting today, priority yellow or higher, lists "personal" or "projects", sorr by due date). And make corresponding widget.

Samsung OneUI has widget carousel feature, so I make multiple widgets with different filters and switch by swiping. Very convinent.

Also tasks.org support syncing to nextcloud, but I keep it disabled due to tons of bugs in nextcloud itself.

I make separate list for everything not important at current period of my life, so I can review it later (usually once a week or once a month, my life is very unstable and unpredictable to tell more exactly)

I use this for about a year, so it's not so well tested workflow, but for now it works better than other variants I tried.

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macNchz
5 hours ago
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A lot of my notes and tasks wind up having bits of code and sometimes large data files associated with them, so I've landed on a similar path of using plain text/org mode files, but aided by a little shell function `today` that creates-if-not-exists a new subdirectory named for the date whenever I use it:

    function today() {
        TODAY_DIR="$HOME/today/"
        DATE_DIR=$(date +'%Y-%m-%d')


        if [ ! -d  $TODAY_DIR$DATE_DIR ];
        then
            mkdir -p $TODAY_DIR$DATE_DIR
        fi;

        echo $TODAY_DIR$DATE_DIR
    }
So I just do something like `emacs $(today)/tasks.org`. Easy to grep across time, copy things forward (I guess I could do with having `yesterday` and `tomorrow` as well). It's really nice to just use basic CLI tools and little scripts to manage notes and todo lists. Project specific stuff gets a subfolder name every day so it's easy enough to glob ~/today/*/{project}/....

It's a sort of landing zone for all of the miscellaneous artifacts I might deal with on a given day as well:, e.g. `wget -P $(today) https://site.net/cooldata.gzip`.

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RoddaWallPro
8 hours ago
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I do something similar - I create a "2025December.md" file each month (with proper year/month obviously) and have a bullet list of everything I'm working on/trying to keep track of. I also use it as a scratchpad for whatever, and writing down notes for projects. Each day I insert a "#### 11 Dec 2025" heading at the bottom of the file, then just copy over everything relevant from the previous entry.

It's stored in my Dropbox so it is always backed up, though it is not VCS'd. It's worked for me for years, far better than any app. Too, I have full control over it, and years of the data, free for processing by any tools/LLMs that I might want (I haven't wanted such a thing so far, but maybe I will).

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james_marks
5 hours ago
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Consider naming them like YYYY-MM and they’ll be sorted alphabetically and chronologically at the same time.

2025-12.md, 2026-01.md, etc

Source: spent too much of my life creating monthly financial reports.

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pppoe
1 hour ago
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Same here, what ever tools I tried, I keep going back to my txt files. Now I use cursor to edit these txt files and get some amazing auto suggestions given the rich context!
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esjeon
5 hours ago
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Everyone talks about txt files and editors etc, but my main driver is actually paper.

Every morning I pickup a sheet of used paper, and on the backside of it I hand-copy unfinished todos from the previous day. I write down every important details from that day on that paper. At the end of the day, it goes into a file folder for future references.

Actually I got this habit while working in the military, where I received a 1-page-long daily status report every morning. I used that to keep track of both organization status and my daily tasks. I did use this log to analyze, design and optimize procedures, one of which involved over 100 tasks.

Searching over this record can be problematic, but most of the time I have auxiliary records like email, message, call history, etc, which can help me with tracking down “when” things happened. It’s not much different from digging into system log.

However, I think, with the rise of LLMs, perhaps it’s about time to migrate to txt finally.

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piazz
2 hours ago
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I do this, but it’s an Apple Notes file with a quick open shortcut mapped to the action button (side button) on my iPhone.

I finally figured this setup this year. It had changed my life, in a minor yet significant way.

(I also link to other relevant text files at the top of the doc)

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lurk2
6 hours ago
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90% of the time I try to come up with systems more elaborate than a spreadsheet, I realize I’ll spend longer designing and maintaining it than I will actually using it. You really only see those efficiencies across larger organizations and even then it isn’t a given these sorts of systems will be well-maintained, and the benefits they provide are usually not so much efficiency as standardizing the way that users record data. This standardization is in turn mostly useful because it allows larger groups of people to coordinate across time and space (e.g. calendar events, and records of those calendar events for employees who joined years after they occurred).

At an individual level you’re basically always better off using text files as the equivalent of a machine-readable blank piece of paper to scrawl notes on with minimal (if any) thought being given to other features.

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mrazomor
7 hours ago
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My daily driver! Considering how much time I spend with these tools, it's surprising that I had relatively few iterations over the years.

I have two major use cases:

1) a TODO list

2) longer texts (project plans, travel plans, shopping lists for things to buy sometimes in the next 6 months (e.g. books to read), etc.).

The TODO list is my daily driver. As the family became larger, it became difficult to track what needs to be done the next day (including simple things, like "give a daily dose of vitamin", "clean & lube the bike chain every 2w"). For a very long time, I used pen & paper. It was OK, used it for years, but it didn't scale so well with kids. An Android TODO/reminder app with notifications and repeats was a life saver. I used BZ Reminder (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bzzzapp) which ticked all the boxes. But the author decided to downgrade the lifetime licences to periodic... It's still not expensive but I don't approve the behavior. After trying out a dozen of similar apps, I ended up with "Reminders: Todo List & Notes" (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pocketbril...). I can't live without a tool like this anymore. TBH, pen & paper TODO lists are still around.

For the longer texts I used an offline wiki (ZIM) for quite some time. Then gradually moved to Google Keep (simple, can accept text & lists, and can be shared). The Keep collection kept growing. With both lists and texts. It's pretty bad input method, but its simplicity kept me using it for years. Now I'm happy with simple txt files (syced between phone & PCs, and properly backed up).

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mt_
9 hours ago
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I envy people that stick for a system like this for so long. Because when you master it, it is when you can build a system around it. For this piece, i suggest the author to build his own frontend app, that mimics this system but with a better, clean UI interface. Hell, he can just vibe code it in under a hour these days and at the end leverage the ergonomics of a clean interface, and of course implement integrations that the app will enables, to build systems around it, to become even more productive.
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swatcoder
9 hours ago
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- Essentially zero input or transactional latency

- Proven effective after 14 years of heavy use

- Celebrated by user

- Zero dependencies

- Maximally portable

- Outage-proof

- Compatible with all backup systems and most version control systems

Have you considered that stuff like this is already "more productive" for fluent users than almost any alternative could be?

Somewhere along the line, product people started to mistake following design trends and adding complexity for productivity, forgetting that delivering the right combination of fluency, stability, simiplicity are often the real road to maximizing it.

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wkat4242
2 hours ago
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The portability thing can't be stressed more. It took me ages to liberate my notes from onenote cloud when I moved over to obsidian. Which is of course exactly the point of Microsoft's.
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rogerrogerr
9 hours ago
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> Celebrated by user

Oh I’m totally putting this in a performance review this year.

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egypturnash
9 hours ago
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Why?

Why would he want to waste a single iota of effort trying to improve something that was working just fine for fourteen years when he wrote this post three years ago? What’s gonna be easier to use than the text editor he knows how to drive without a single thought? What does he gain by taking a simple text file he can sync to any device and replacing it with a database bound to a custom app that he now has to keep running? I mean besides the risk that an OS update will break this app and now he can’t get anything else done until he fixes it, because he’s the only person maintaining it? Most of the interaction is still going to be typing in free-form text, how is taking his hand off the keyboard to poke at a “new task” widget going to make it better and cleaner than just typing return, dash, space? What GUI kit is not going to fall over and whimper when you hand it 51k items to render? What does he gain by spending days trying different ways to get around that interface design problem in hopes of finding one as seamless as his simple text editor?

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jaffa2
9 hours ago
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Why build an app? It seems the whole benefit here is it doesnt need any app. Its completely agnostic and simple. The value is in the data and the way he enters it in.

It sounds like a good system but i still believe it takes the discipline of a strong willed person to do the system no matter what system you use.

If i did this i would give up after 2 days. He says he redoes his list every night ready for the next day —- THAT is the secret here, not the specific system he uses.

I’ve tried all sorts over the years different tools, different systems , different philosophies, inbox zero, gtd etc They don’t work for me. I get by with a notepad and pen and i write lists as and when. Theres people out there and some even have YouTube channeks dedicatd to disseminating their productivity hack and workflows for evey tool Imaginable, and they are really enthusiastic about it.

It doesn’t do it for me im too free spirited.

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jaredsohn
9 hours ago
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I started tracking everything I ate three years ago and even posted about it via this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32552288

I updated it substantially via AI this summer (includes micros, compounds, and various other stats and a webpage with charts now) and then I started making diet changes based on these new features. Is really neat to compare data from before and after those changes. And like you suggested, I keep making improvements to the system and to myself and it becomes really satisfying / motivational.

Is still driven by simple text files.

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fastasucan
8 hours ago
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Why would he?
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samdoesnothing
9 hours ago
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Satire?
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copperx
9 hours ago
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I wish I could tell honest comments from satire apart. It's especially hard after reading the future HN created by Gemini that was posted yesterday.
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JeremyHerrman
5 hours ago
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I use never-ending notion pages like this and now they have grown so large that they crash on mobile / tablet so I can only access via desktop.

If anyone knows of a good rich markdown / block based editor that can handle huge pages let me know!

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gdulli
9 hours ago
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This was my system for a long time and I eventually moved to Notesnook with success, but I bounced off so many notes apps before it. I don't know why, but the feature set had to be just right because one little thing would keep me from sticking with anything else. Plain text files are great and served me well but don't lose hope that some new option could come along and be an improvement.
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jrm4
5 hours ago
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While we're here, let me go ahead and once again give much praise to https://zim-wiki.org , my daily driver for most things in my life.

It was really interesting to see the sort of "second stage" discovery of things like this when obsidian got hot, and I toyed with many of those for a while.

And the end result was me getting even further back into doing what zim does, and even finding new cool little time savers (e.g. interwiki links).

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sdfdsfdsffdsf
5 hours ago
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A super simple solution that works for me is Signal's "Note to self" chat, I just write to myself and it works as a diary/ephemeral todo list. Easily accessible across multiple devices and can be backed up, including recently introduced cloud backups.

If I want some dedication information "pinned" so I don't lose track of it, I just create a dedicated group chat for that topic.

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josters
8 hours ago
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I have circled back to using the apps that are already on my phone, especially the Apple Reminders app which I am currently trying out as my main notes and ideas system.

I have placed it as one of the two bottom widgets on the lock screen which gives me immediate access to everything I need to capture a thought: a main note, the list where I want to store it (e.g., work or personal), the notes field if more context is needed, and I can flag it or schedule a reminder. The app then also has an optional auto-categorize feature which works quite well. Add to that reliable sync across devices and except for a good way to bulk export lists, this has everything I want from a quick draft and capture system.

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nickjj
9 hours ago
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I did something similar since 2001:

    -rw-r--r--  1 nick nick    691 Mar 16  2001 2001-03.txt
I separated mine by YYYY-MM which is long enough to keep related things together but short enough where it's easy to find things within a single file. It's all super easy to grep things out on demand.

There's no procrastination about organizing or perfect tags. Just brain dump the thought or notes and move on with life.

https://github.com/nickjj/notes was created so I can type things like `notes hello world` and it inserts it for the correct YYYY-MM or `notes` to open the current YYYY-MM in your $EDITOR. It supports piping into it too (good for pasting from your clipboard). It's ~40 lines of shell scripting with comments.

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sublinear
9 hours ago
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> There's no procrastination about organizing or perfect tags. Just brain dump the thought or notes and move on with life.

I keep my notes on paper and write them in real time, so I agree with this very strongly. I manage to keep up with the real world despite this.

My paper indexing system is two simple things.

1) Write in the next available space. When done writing I draw a dividing horizontal line straight across the whole page. Just above this line I assign it a serial number in a little box.

2) Starting from the back of the last page, I keep metadata for each entry. Usually topic tags, but sometimes it's more involved. I usually do this when I am under less time pressure. It doesn't even have to be the same day. I'm not strict about completeness because if I don't care... well I don't care.

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sudhirkhanger
8 hours ago
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Earlier, I had a simpler todo system using pen and paper. There was a weekly list which exchanged tasks with daily list. The daily tasks were prioritized in three categories immediately, today, and this week.

Now since I am managing multiple teams, this is not longer scalable. Also majority of work revolves around Slack. People post stuff that I need to follow up at a later stage. I copy these posts and put them into the todo list file.

1. As text files get longer you lose view of things unlike paper. I still feel limited and strong difficulty in fully adopting an online todo system.

2. Many other stuff like Slack threads are difficult to get into todo files. They also lose context. This I would say is a modern problem.

What do you guys think?

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gazpacho
8 hours ago
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I use sheets of junk paper (e.g. stuff I got in the mail that is only printed on one side). I keep an "active" one that I cross stuff out from, etc. When I start a new one (about once a week) I go through the old one and port over any remaining items; most of the time I discard the whole thing since it's no longer relevant. If there are important items that are just too big to handle I'll transcribe it to my Calendar, Linear, Reminders app, etc.

To me this is a good balance of: - Writing things down is the major benefit for me, writing down on physical paper is even more helpful. - Forces me to garbage collect irrelevant stuff. - I don't need an app or even to buy paper really.

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cpeterso
6 hours ago
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I used Notational Velocity for years. I loved its free form approach to note taking and searching, but I needed a cross platform solution with files that could be shared using Dropbox.

https://notational.net/

I now just use three text files open in Sublime Text: todo-today.txt, todo-this-week.txt, and todo-later.txt. I review them daily and promote todos to the next file when appropriate.

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LandenLove
6 hours ago
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Personally, I just use obsidian notes. Its simple enough, uses markdown, syncs to my phone. I like to break projects/problems out into checklists. Helps keep me motivated.

I don't use the 'linking' feature between notes. The whole 'second brain' thing seems like something you do to make a neat screenshot of your note graph. I just use regular old folders like a file directory. My notes have gotten a little messy though.

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dtkav
6 hours ago
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The nice thing about linking is that you can embrace the chaos a bit and not need to have everything organized into folders.

Transclusions (embeds) are very useful also.

I agree that the note graph visualizer is just a gimmick though.

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Aperocky
9 hours ago
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Sometimes a simple bash script will give it wings: https://github.com/Aperocky/diaryman

What this is:

$ diary # opens vim to $DIARYDIR/year/month/day.md

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arduinomancer
9 hours ago
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I've done the same thing for a long time

The only extra thing is I set up autohotkey macros

For example typing $today or $yesterday will insert the date with a dividing line underneath to separate days into clear blocks

I've tried a lot of different note apps and what I eventually realized is that when it comes to work, I generally don't actually care about old notes 98% of the time.

I only really care about the last week or two and when everything is in one file its optimized for viewing that, like a working memory.

The text file ends up gigantic but its still small data for a computer even after many years of adding to a single file and searching is still fast.

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labrador
9 hours ago
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I recently discovered AutoHotKey and their subreddit. Your example is a cool feature I didn't know about. I'm looking forward to using AHK.

https://old.reddit.com/r/AutoHotkey/

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dbl000
8 hours ago
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I am incredibly jealous of people for who this works for. Mine just become too unwieldy to manage or work with because they grow out in a crazy fashion.

My "productivity solution" is currently TriliumNotes with three work spaces as 1) Planner with sub notes for year, month, day 2) Brain Dump with subnotes for year and month 3) Projects with sub notes for each project. I manage tasks with Vikunja and then my time with Google Calendar.

It's an absolute mess, but it's the closest I've gotten to a solution that works the way my brain does.

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cipehr
4 hours ago
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Thank you for sharing. I feel similar to you; jealous this system works for others, sounds like a dream, but too overwhelming for me once it hits some point of no return. Your structure sounds interesting.

I'm genuinely curious how others do not get overwhelmed or sucked into yak-shaving some reorganization of a system like this.

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WhyOhWhyQ
1 hour ago
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It just seems like a modern academic is a middle manager.
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DustinBrett
9 hours ago
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Google Keep for me is the way to go. Easy to use on desktop or mobile, can "share" anything with it. I like to make notes with various titles & colors that I use to organize my life/thoughts.
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l0c0b0x
7 hours ago
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Forever open tabs in Notepad++ (475 and counting for the lost 6 months at least).

I've used so many 'productivity' apps, it makes me sick to think of it. This has been the most consistent tool I've ever used.

https://snipboard.io/9CYXnw.jpg

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commandersaki
3 hours ago
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Use a mix of the iCloud notes app, txt files, iCloud sync'd Documents directory; I’m deffo vendor locked.
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sowbug
9 hours ago
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Something like this would be perfect for a local LLM assistant.
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tbeseda
9 hours ago
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Agreed. I'm working on a small GUI that just appends to a local .ndjson file. A user just posts with a text box into a feed. Like a one person chat or tweeting into the void. And a local LLM picks apart metadata, storing just enough to index where answers to future questions will be. Then you can use slash commands to get at the analysis like "/tasks last month" or "/summarize work today" etc.
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sublinear
9 hours ago
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Not sure why you're getting downvoted, but I agree at least in principle. There should be some means to index/search this kind of semi-structured text. Summaries are also nice, but not as useful to me at least.

Like the author I also do tagging, but in the real world some notes will eventually slip through the cracks. Even when it's just one, that's probably the one you're looking for. :)

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anthk
9 hours ago
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Either grep or hyperstraier. You don't need an LLM.
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nottorp
8 hours ago
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A LLM may be able to give you all the paragraphs referring to frobnicating widget X including misspellings and notes not referring to it by name.

It's "AI" right? It could right?

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teecha
8 hours ago
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I’ve landed in Amplenote and haven’t looked back over the last couple of years.

Exports to mark down if I ever want to leave, works on everything, and sufficiently flexible for note taking and task management.

Every now and then I get the productivity bug and look around but can’t find anything that hits like Amplenote does.

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runjake
9 hours ago
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Previously, (I ain't complaining, I like fresh conversations on this one.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39432876

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29661167

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tomhow
9 hours ago
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Thanks! Macroexpanded:

My productivity app is a never-ending .txt file (2020) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39432876 - Feb 2024 (264 comments)

My productivity app for the past 12 years has been a single .txt file (2020) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29661167 - Dec 2021 (202 comments)

My productivity app for the past 12 years has been a single .txt file - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22276184 - Feb 2020 (402 comments)

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Lendal
9 hours ago
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I have a file like this, several years long, but parsed with YAML so that each day is clearly separated from the next, and for list parsing, and for dictionary parsing so each project I work on is associated with a YAML dictionary key. I can go back in time and easily find notes related to specific projects or specific dates.
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intrasight
9 hours ago
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Mine is as well. Well actually one TXT file per project. Still, they are tens of megabytes in total size at this point.
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csallen
6 hours ago
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If you append to the bottom of a 50-thousand line file, won't scrolling to the bottom be tedious? Or is he prepending new days to the top of the file?
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erikig
5 hours ago
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Like most people I think, I prefer to prepend and add to the top of the txt file they are working on.
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ZachSaucier
9 hours ago
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Actual checkboxes that are reorderable but otherwise a text file is the way to go.

Longer explanation: https://zachsaucier.com/blog/notes-the-best-todo-app/

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tipsyrobot
8 hours ago
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I've had a similar system for a while, but the primary pain point is the lack of access on iPhone / iPad. Giant text files are laggy, dropbox integration is poor, etc. A custom app that interacts with the text file might be the best bet :D
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arduinomancer
8 hours ago
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What I realized at least for me is that work notes and personal notes are two different use cases

The .txt file approach works for work stuff because I never need to reference it on mobile, if I'm doing software development I need to be on a computer anyway.

Whereas personal stuff I need an actual notetaking app like Notion for the mobile usability

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zebomon
9 hours ago
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I've been doing pretty much the same thing since 2019. The only big change I made was in early 2023, when I started saving a new version of the long txt file each day. It works very well for me but I recognize it isn't the right system for everyone!
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twapi
8 hours ago
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I use Google Calendar as my todo list. Syncs across devices. Notifications. Share with Family & Work. Repeating tasks. Supports notes and attachments. Multiple Lists (calendars). Free.
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stefan_
7 hours ago
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Same. And by default it sends an email reminder, so the stuff I didn't do yet stay as unread emails in my inbox.
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amelius
6 hours ago
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If you read the article then it's clear they don't just use a .txt file, but also a calendar.

So maybe there's an app that combines the two?

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antiframe
5 hours ago
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My OBTF (one big text file) is in org syntax. I can attach timestamps to items and have them show up in an agenda view for the week or day.
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aswegs8
9 hours ago
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Obsidian + Lights (https://ultraworking.gitbooks.io/lights/content/) is my stack
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general1465
8 hours ago
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Effectively the same, but with Joplin and separated notes for separated context.
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jngiam1
9 hours ago
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Store/ version with git, throw Claude code at it, and it’ll be amazing
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sigmonsays
8 hours ago
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big ol git repo of text files here, It's always been this way, for over a decade now.
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SkyPuncher
9 hours ago
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I ended up doing a similar thing when I was a contractor. Just a really long note file that I'd track everything I was doing.

Relatedly, I find all of the todo/task management apps to be utterly overwhelming for my person tasks. I'm so tired of all of the task apps adding way too much complexity.

All I want is:

* Something that's available on all of my devices.

* Can be ordered by sections

  * Triage

  * Now

  * Today

  * Tomorrow

  * Soon

  * Eventually

  * Whenever (when-never)
* Let's me add a task without thinking (default to triage)

* Lets me drag-and-drop tasks for ordering

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mahdiyar
7 hours ago
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I read this a few years ago and start to doing that. And I never looked back. I can search what i did on a specific day, search for a task and see all the traces, having it accessible over dropbox.

No upgrade CTA, no nonsense. now even I can feed it to llm and get feedback about my planning, routines and everything

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28304283409234
7 hours ago
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alias j="vim + ~/.journal.txt"
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TZubiri
6 hours ago
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Better than choosing between 2000 productivity apps,

And even better than coding the 2001st one.

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smm11
9 hours ago
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I have TXT files by week, and sum up each day to the bottom of each day of the week if that makes sense.

Then the next week's new file has the pasted-over to-do items on top.

These were OneNote/Sharepoint files forever until earlier this year. Now they live on my local network, backed up, glaciered.

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nish__
6 hours ago
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> 3:45pm advising meet with Oprah

> 4pm Rihanna talk (368 CIT)

> 5pm 1:1 with Beyonce #phdadvisee

> 6pm faculty interview dinner with Madonna

lol

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