Fedora: Open-source repository for long-term digital preservation
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10 hours ago
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fodmap
10 hours ago
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To avoid misunderstandings, this repository is about a project at Cornell University named the Flexible Extensible Digital Object Repository Architecture (FEDORA), not a Red Hat one.
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jasoneckert
9 hours ago
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It took me far too long to figure this out from their site, but when I did, the project looked far less interesting.

For a while there, I thought the "been in existence for 20+ years and our users represent an engaged, supportive and invested global community of users focused on sustainability and growth" was the Fedora Project extending their expertise in file organization and distribution to other use cases.

But on the bright side, I now have a link I can use to confuse my students with (to keep them out of their comfort zone and promote deep research).

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macintux
10 hours ago
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And predates Fedora by about 6 years.
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cevn
9 hours ago
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I was ready to be mad in the comments, now I'm mad but in the other direction.
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stronglikedan
5 hours ago
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Don't be mad, they are clearly distinct — one is FEDORA and the other is Fedora!
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phkahler
9 hours ago
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Right or wrong, who owns the trademark?
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fodmap
9 hours ago
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Both. '...all parties settled on a co-existence agreement that stated that the Cornell-UVA project could use the name when clearly associated with open source software for digital object repository systems and that Red Hat could use the name when it was clearly associated with open source computer operating systems.'

https://fedorarepository.org/about/our-history/

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notpushkin
9 hours ago
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> The transferable agreement stipulated that each project must display the following text on their web site: [...]

Looks like Cornell-UVA satisfied this by placing it on their about page. Red Hat on the other hand hid it on a dedicated legalese page nobody will read: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/

Not a good look IMO.

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richardfontana
1 hour ago
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So first of all IAARHL (and I do a lot of work supporting Fedora) but IANARHTL. That said, I have seen the actual agreement (but many years ago), which predates my arrival at Red Hat by some years, but don't have immediate access to it and am disinclined to hunt down a copy solely because of this thread. However, my recollection of it is that it was quite a bit more specific than the Cornell-UVA paraphrase as to where the parties expected the notice to appear. My further recollection is that it was the Cornell-UVA FEDORA that was not really complying with the letter of the agreement as to that issue, rather than the Fedora Linux Fedora, essentially the opposite of what you're saying. To settle this we'd have to get the agreement and do some Wayback Machine research, which I'm also disinclined to do at the moment.

Now, as to why it's on the Fedora Legal Docs site today, that's because a few years ago we undertook a significant migration of all "legal" content from the basically deprecated Fedora Project wiki to the newly created Fedora Legal Docs site. In general, such material is now much easier to find than it was in the wiki era (where it was spread across multiple wiki pages). I don't know when the trademark notice first came to be placed on the Fedora wiki, which itself didn't always exist, but I believe when Cornell-UVA and Red Hat signed the agreement, Fedora may have still been using a redhat.com site.

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Andrex
6 hours ago
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Due to their comparative popularity, it makes complete sense to me. You don't have people in HN comments for a new Fedora release going "Wait is this about the Digital Access Project?"

What does "not a good look" even mean in this context? Getting tired of this phrase's overuse tbh. "Think of the optics" fell into disuse and I can't wait for this one to join it.

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kasabali
2 hours ago
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> What does "not a good look" even mean in this context?

it's a kind way of saying they're being assholes?

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supercheetah
3 hours ago
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Red Hat is the bigger party here. Their minimization of this issue seems a little like bullying.
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Andrex
1 hour ago
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There is no issue except the one third-parties (such as HN commenters) are making out of it.

Fedora and FEDORA reached an agreement a long time ago. Unless I missed something, neither party has disparaged the other in that time. The parent comment is making drama out of literally nothing. Neither side cares so why is parent OP trying to stir shit up?

As the kids say, "not a good look."

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t90fan
9 hours ago
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> associated with open source software for digital object repository systems and that Red Hat could use the name when it was clearly associated with open source computer operating systems.'

If it's as worded, I'm surprised Fedora Directory Server didn't end up being a problem for RedHat, as its not an OS, and you could call it a digital object repository system, I guess.

Or maybe thats why they re-branded it as 389 Directory Server?

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richardfontana
1 hour ago
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I'm pretty sure it's not why it was rebranded; the timing doesn't make sense since the rebranding occurred several years after the trademark coexistence agreement.

The curious question though is why 389 was formerly called Fedora Directory Server. From what I've been told by someone who was around at the time (as I wasn't), it's because Red Hat went through a very brief period where it experimented with using the "Fedora" brand as a sort of general "upstream of Red Hat, sponsored by Red Hat" sort of community brand. This was I think quickly rejected as a bad idea but Fedora Directory Server was apparently the one (for a while) surviving example of the experiment. I imagine that the reason for the rebranding was that it was confusing to use the "Fedora" name at a certain point because the directory server project never really had anything particularly to do with Fedora (apart from the connection to Red Hat).

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tsak
9 hours ago
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The hat!

> The term fedora was in use as early as 1891.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora#History)

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actionfromafar
7 hours ago
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And they have Fedora Slack(ware)!
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iNate2000
6 hours ago
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Wait - I saw a link to a Slack chat workspace. Do they have something for Slackware Linux as well?
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actionfromafar
6 hours ago
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No, sorry it was that I meant. Also confusing when you are primed to think RedHat -> Fedora -> Slackware :)
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RickJWagner
9 hours ago
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Thanks for that explanation. Totally threw me for a minute.
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ThinkingGuy
6 hours ago
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Are there any images (or actual demos) of the actual user interface? Every variant of search for "Fedora repository screen shot" just brings back instructions for taking a desktop screen shot on the Fedora operating system.
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sitta
7 hours ago
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Perhaps also of interest is the storage format that Fedora 6/7 uses.

https://ocfl.io/

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Yehoshaphat
5 hours ago
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It is interesting to me that I came across this project earlier this week (MLS student, procrastinating via browsing Awesome-Lists), and now it's here on YN.

Maybe some stoner can vibe-rebase this with Rust.

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zoobab
9 hours ago
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FTP was better.
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Dwedit
9 hours ago
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FTP is great for the hackers who want to sniff cleartext user passwords over insecure public wifi.
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economistbob
8 hours ago
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FTPs used to have anonymous logins unless one was on a LAN, so sniffing passwords was not very relevant.
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moron4hire
8 hours ago
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Do they have a separate website for a git repo, e.g. Github? Between me reading the page in bed this morning and then driving to work, the website seems to have gone down.
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Dwedit
7 hours ago
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Kwpolska
5 hours ago
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Were they so unoriginal that they had to steal the "fc" abbreviation from the Linux distro as well? (In the Linux distro, it comes from the original name "Fedora Core"; the abbreviation is most visible in package versions.)
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macintux
1 hour ago
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FEDORA is years older than Fedora.
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moron4hire
7 hours ago
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Thank you. Have a specific project at work that it might be relevant towards.
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cramcgrab
9 hours ago
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Wow. Java 11. Looks like a great project for an update. Anybody know where we can get a group of CS students to update the code with a modern toolset? Used to be MIT, Clarkson, Cornell, Berkeley, RIT, etc cranked this stuff out.
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treesknees
9 hours ago
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https://fedorarepository.org/232540-2/

> Upgrades for over 40 dependency libraries, including upgrading Java 11 to Java 21.

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jjice
8 hours ago
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Total tangent from the OP, but neat to see RIT listed here (among some excellent universities)! What kind of things has RIT done like this? Just a curious alum.
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nticompass
7 hours ago
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Hello fellow RIT alum! :-D
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cramcgrab
8 hours ago
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They were big in software for the one laptop per child project:

https://www.rit.edu/news/rit-class-develops-applications-sup...

And, while not open source, built this: https://dirsig.cis.rit.edu/

Also, I remember some kind of early realtime music accompaniment software, the guy played trumpet and the software played realtime accompaniment.

Also, MIT built X11, which later turned into a bureaucratic exercise instead of software project.

Berkeley, well BSD Unix.

Early web projects came out of Michigan, like gopher.

Not much lately though.

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billdueber
8 hours ago
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Gopher came out of the U of Minnesota. Their teams are the “Golden Gophers.”
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cramcgrab
2 hours ago
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Aah yes, that’s right
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linhns
8 hours ago
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How to not name your project, exhibit 1
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macintux
8 hours ago
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It's older than Fedora Linux.
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modzu
7 hours ago
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if your little company was still named Google would you keep it? they just seem petty (the ™ on their logo lol)
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derleyici
6 hours ago
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