Playing Santa changed Bob Rutan profoundly
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4 days ago
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peteforde
8 hours ago
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NaOH
6 hours ago
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'Profound' and 'strange' have distinct meanings. I'd suggest the title be re-edited to either

Playing Santa did strange things to Bob Rutan

or just the first line of the Esquire title:

Playing Santa does strange things to a man

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saaaaaam
7 hours ago
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Esquire writing is so weird. It’s genuinely like a relic from another age.

“ They drank tumblers of Irish whiskey filled to the brim, illicit pours they secured with ten-dollar tips to a curvy Dominican bartender.”

“ For the price of three beers, he told me his story.”

“ In the two decades since the show aired, a hundred thousand American Spirits had yellowed Bob’s fingers and turned his voice to gravel.”

When I read things like this I find it very hard to take the wider message seriously, because it feels like writing-as-cosplay, the writer inhabiting a caricature of “hard bitten” and inserting that at the forefront of the piece.

Very odd.

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IAmBroom
17 minutes ago
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"Queen of the Silver Dollar" was written by Shel Silverstein in desperation to pay rent, and dictated from a phonebooth* to a member of Dr. Hook and the Medicine Cabinet.

Sometimes people really are hard-bitten.

* It's kind of like a specially designed room standing on the sidewalk of a city street, where you can put your iPhone on speaker and still hear the other person talk. Only it comes with it's own iPhone that you can rent for less than a dollar with an old form of Venmo.

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somenameforme
7 hours ago
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Why must it be a caricature? Many successful writers are some rather extreme people, which is probably part of the reason why they're successful. Reality is, as always, far stranger than fiction, and a lifetime of exceptional experience is the writer's palette.
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fallous
6 hours ago
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So many are desperately wishing to be the next Tom Wolfe rather than striving to find their own voice and style (as Wolfe did).
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loloquwowndueo
6 hours ago
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Will gladly take this over the current tsunami of AI-written slop. “It’s not only a relic from a bygone era; it’s a rhetorical masterpiece”
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mulr00ney
5 hours ago
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> Esquire writing is so weird. It’s genuinely like a relic from another age.

I agree: but to me that's at least something kind of interesting and evocative, even if it's a trainwreck. (In fact, it might even be better when it's a trainwreck). A nice break from LLM's this-not-that. This one's not so bad IMO.

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suddenlybananas
7 hours ago
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Everyone is just pretending to be something. The people writing in the 60s were also apeing a style in just the same way.

Personally, I liked the writing.

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beepbooptheory
6 hours ago
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I could not for the life of me guess what in particular is wrong with at least the second example here, if not the others. Can you explain what you mean? Is it the very mention of beers and cigarettes that perhaps triggers this reaction?
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adzm
5 hours ago
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Nothing wrong with it; it is simply colorful and overly verbose, perhaps, but that is a stylistic choice. Personally I feel like it really helps paint a mental picture. If the goal is simply to transfer information, then it would be considered fluff. But if the goal is to share an experience, I think it succeeds!
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vidarh
1 hour ago
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It's an article that tries to be literature rather than just the information it conveys, and some people don't like that whether it is successful or not.
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