Perfect Aircrete, Kitchen Ingredients [video]
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schiffern
8 hours ago
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Note that aircrete itself has existed for decades, but production of aircrete has typically required buying (or DIY-ing) a high-capacity foam generator.

What's novel in this video is the production method, which uses only a standard cement mixer.

The 'traditional' method is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnNua21zx78

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prawn
35 minutes ago
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Just started watching this, but if anyone has seen similar material used for some form of retaining wall (even 1-4' high), I'd be happy to hear about it. Got a lot of slope to deal with, and materials for attractive retaining walls add up.
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burnt-resistor
4 minutes ago
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I saw this days ago. The problem is validating strength and integrity over time. That sort of long-term follow-up and scientific, repeatable destructive testing doesn't fit into a short video. Evangelizing unproven construction methods and materials is reckless without context and nuance.

When an office building was built in any earthquake-prone area that housed a nuclear engineering consultancy, several slugs of concrete were poured and kept for later testing and evaluation, and extra ones were kept should there ever be a question about the concrete in the future.

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leguminous
8 hours ago
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Aerated concrete is an established building material in some parts of the world. In Europe, a big manufacturer is Ytong, and they even make precast panels in addition to blocks.

It's made differently from this, though. It is aerated through a chemical reaction rather than mechanically.

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cornholio
6 hours ago
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The industrial version is produced in an autoclave, this allows precise control of curing, density and final mechanical resistance/insulation values. Hence, the name the material is best known by - AAC.

On the other hand, the video linked attributes too much credit and complexity to the foam manufacturing method, it can certainly be done with very primitive technology. Here are some dudes doing it in a developing country, it's very very basic, the foam generator is basically a steel wool sponge where pressurized air combine with water containing the foaming agent. They give out the complete recipe and details of their tools:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h6zBbVkuQI

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stoneman24
7 hours ago
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There was recently a crisis in older publicly constructed buildings in the UK that were built [0].The aerated concrete had a limited lifespan especially if it was damaged and had contact with water.

Lots of people looking for compensation and claiming mis-representation.

[0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-66669239

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cornholio
6 hours ago
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The UK crisis involved steel reinforced AAC beams that were used (of all places) to support roofs of schools. UK turned out to be a rainy place, the rain infused into the cellular structure and corroded the steel, with disastrous consequences.

It's a very particular use case of a very particular product, not relevant to the wide majority of AAC uses around the world, which is largely non-structural and not reinforced, or subjected to moderate compressive loads, such as lateral walls for 1-2 stories buildings in non-seismic areas.

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gerdesj
3 hours ago
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The risks were understood (by engineers) and this usage was given a "shelf life". Unfortunately, those risks were put into the "Oh we'll forget about it" or "We'll wait until it looks a bit shifty" categories.

However as any fule (engineer) kno, reinforced and especially pre-stressed conc members will fail in quite a dramatic fashion. Unless you notice rust dribbling out then you can end up with anything from the roof failing to the roof exploding. I don't think anyone was daft enough to pre-stress these things.

I don't know how much money was saved but it was a really stupid application and basically ended up punting far greater costs due to remediation down the road.

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cornholio
2 hours ago
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> and this usage was given a "shelf life"

While it might technically be true, that surely does not absolve the engineers who did this crap.

There is a general social expectation that new buildings should be structurally sound for a duration on the order of a century. So, if you deliver something that has a mean time before catastrophic failure around 30 years, you also need to account and set up the institutions that will handle the failure, the same way nuclear companies are required to set aside money for their decommissioning. You need to have periodic inspections for signs of early failure etc. and this whole circus needs to be disclosed and priced into your tender.

In reality, this entire fiasco was a dirty and cheapest way to satisfy the contract, ye old "good enough for government work" as evidenced by the fact no substantial number of private buildings of the same period are having this problem.

The maintenance provision was snuck into - or bribed into - some mountain of legalese, but the fuckers knew exactly that they were putting children in harm's way.

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earleybird
20 minutes ago
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Is that you Molesworth???
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rayiner
1 hour ago
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Using porous concrete reinforced with steel in a rainy place is a real WTF decision. It’s a miracle they didn’t collapse earlier.
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sitzkrieg
7 hours ago
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nighthawkinlight's entire youtube channel is full of practical gems. i used several of his waterproofing techniques to flawless effect
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WorkerBee28474
8 hours ago
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I heard about aerogel as a kid and only recently learned how extremely hard it is to make [0], so this seems like a cool and more accessible material in the same vein.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0HfmYBlF8g

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lvl155
3 hours ago
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Love the enthusiasm but people get PhDs just for concrete. This stuff has been around for a very long time.
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mikewarot
8 hours ago
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I think this might make a great material for large machine tool bases. Concrete lathes have been a thing since WW1, but not common.
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cjbgkagh
3 hours ago
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Aircrete is far too fragile and will not hold tolerance. There is a shit towards ultra high performance concrete but that’s a completely different material.
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MaxikCZ
8 hours ago
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I always thought of concrete as cement + water + sand.

This video makes aircrete with cement + water + thickening/foaming agent, but it doesnt use any sand, no?

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schiffern
8 hours ago
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Yes, aircrete mixes usually don't contain sand. This isn't something unusual about this video, it's true for most aircrete recipes.

Another method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnNua21zx78

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aidenn0
8 hours ago
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Concrete is cement plus aggregate (it doesn't have to be sand; it could be gravel, for example). Coarse aggregates wouldn't work well in this, but it would be cool for a followup video where sand is used.

The wikipedia pages suggests that this is more prolery referred to as "foam mortar" or "foam cement"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foam_concrete

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cornholio
6 hours ago
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You could say the aggregate is air and the cement still performs its role as a binder, it binds all the air bubbles into a stable matrix. Hence "aerated concrete".
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mikewarot
8 hours ago
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He had a note up that said he's been having some luck with a major addition of sand, but it'll be a bit before the video for that goes up.
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pstuart
3 hours ago
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There's also the possibility of using various fibers instead of sand.
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tartoran
8 hours ago
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Wow, this is a fantastic material. Hope to see it used soon
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ansgri
8 hours ago
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It really is amazing, you can build a whole 2-story house out of it quickly using polymer-based glue instead of mortar, only using traditional reinforced concrete in some critical places. Was quite popular in russia, last I checked. Unfortunately hard to find in some better CIS countries.
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orthoxerox
5 hours ago
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Yes, about 60% of all new single-family homes are built out of AAC in Russia. It's also very common as an infill in reinforced concrete frames, like blocks of flats.

There are AAC factories in Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan that I know of. The rest are probably too seismically risky to be major AAC markets.

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ansgri
9 minutes ago
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Didn’t really study this aspect, but it feels like thick AAC blocks would be better for seismic stability than those tuff stone blocks popular in Armenia. It’s lighter, glues to neighboring blocks better due to perfect shape, and has better heat insulation.

It would be amazing if AAC-like material could be produced on-site economically to create a lighter form of monolithic reinforced concrete construction, like filling a formwork with expanding foam.

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lm28469
7 hours ago
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You can also build brick walls without mortar, some of them even contain insulation, you just need to plaster both sides and you're good to go. Porothern dry fix is a good example

I had the choice between aircrete and that for my house and went for good ol bricks instead

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AtlasBarfed
6 hours ago
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So they buy preforms, or they mix it themselves and pour into forms?
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orthoxerox
5 hours ago
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It's precut autoclaved blocks.
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SilverElfin
6 hours ago
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I like the idea of a lightweight concrete like material that can be used to make houses more durable. Is there a way to replace drywall interiors with this or something else? I really hate how susceptible drywall is to things like moisture and mold, but also how repairing it requires a dusty and messy process of cutting, sanding, mud, tape, and all that. It would be so much easier to have waterproof durable panels that can be opened to access the interior wall spaces (for electrical or plumbing stuff). Is there a solution?
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twodave
4 hours ago
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This stuff is worse than drywall for a lot of reasons due to its brittleness. I’m not even sure paint would adhere to it as well as drywall.
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IshKebab
5 hours ago
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Fuck aircrete. My house has aircrete blocks in the extension and you need special expensive wall plugs to attach things to it that are rated to a grant total of 25kgf.

Because nobody would want to actually hang heavy things on their wall right??

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what
3 hours ago
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Most people don’t want to hang heavy things on their wall?
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tomcam
2 hours ago
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Big-screen TVs

Cabinets

Shelves

Large mirrors

Pot racks

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what
1 hour ago
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Most people aren’t putting up their own cabinetry or shelving, they’ll hire a professional and they’ll know how to deal with the wall.
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