Day laborers protest noise machines installed at Home Depot
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by geox
3 hours ago
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| latimes.com
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goda90
2 hours ago
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Two times this week I biked past a parked car and it emitted a horrible high pitched buzzing at me. I'm guessing it's supposed to be an anti-theft mechanism(entirely unnecessary in a Midwest suburb). I of course had no intention of stealing the car, but the noise triggers a desire to do other things to the car. I guess the owner is lucky I'm not an angsty teenager.

There's so much unnecessary noise pollution in our society, it makes me really sad.

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Animats
2 hours ago
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I've noticed that car alarms that go off for no good reason seem to be back. Those used to be a thing, but they'd mostly disappeared. But I keep hearing them in parking lots, with nobody anywhere near the car. At least they shut off after a while. That was legislated back in the 1980s.
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Zancarius
1 hour ago
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Sometimes it can be a genuine mistake.

I was in my garage with my keys in my back pocket, checking the tire pressure on my truck, when it started honking at me. My butt triggered the panic button.

I have acute hearing. That was painful and hardly deliberate!

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culi
1 hour ago
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Not sure if it's the same thing but many stores will put noise emitting machines in their parking lots to make it hostile for people who wanna sleep in their cars there

Once you first notice it you'll realize these machines are kinda everywhere

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untech
2 hours ago
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I am confused about the situation. Can someone with more context please explain? Is HomeDepot forcing their own workers off the parking lot? Or are there some other workers there? What do they do on a parking lot? Are they in cars or on foot? Why do they stay on the parking lot the whole day, if they are not HomeDepot employees?
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jchw
1 hour ago
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The operative word is "day laborers". These are people who work on a day-to-day basis. In America at least, there is a large contingent of people who are informal day laborers, especially Hispanic immigrants apparently, although I'm not sure if that's really true or just a stereotype, and a lot of them hang out or around at home improvement stores, waiting to be hired for various handyman-type jobs.

It is frequently referenced in American media, like South Park (in "D-Yikes") and Mike Judge's Beavis and Butthead (in "The Day Butt-Head Went Too Far"). And well, probably some other media that isn't adult cartoons, but for some reason that was what first immediately came to mind.

I was aware of the stereotype of Hispanic day laborers hanging out in Home Depot parking lots for a long time, but it was interesting to see the degree to which it seems to be true in California, where I often saw fairly large groups of people that I believed to be day laborers in the parking lot. I'm sure there are also day laborers at home improvement stores in the Midwest too, but I don't really pay that much attention, so I haven't noticed it much.

edit: I see I took too long to reply and now am the sixth or so person to point this out, sorry. Race condition.

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wilsonnb3
1 hour ago
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See season 7, episode 4 (“Sex Ed”) of The Office for a non-cartoon media reference :)
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like_any_other
1 hour ago
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> I'm not sure if that's really true or just a stereotype

Stereotype Accuracy is One of the Largest and Most Replicable Effects in All of Social Psychology - https://spsp.org/news-center/character-context-blog/stereoty...

In fact, quite shockingly to many, that prevailing twofold sentiment, which sees stereotypical thinking as faulty cognition and stereotypes themselves as patently inaccurate, is itself wrong on both counts. - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2018...

Most stereotypes that have been studied have been shown to be approximately correct. Usually, stereotype accuracy correlations exceed .50, making them some of the largest relationships ever found in social psychology. - https://www.cspicenter.com/p/the-accuracy-of-stereotypes-dat...

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jchw
43 minutes ago
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It's not that I don't believe it is likely, it's more like I don't like spreading an unqualified stereotype that I haven't actually validated in any way other than personal anecdotes. It's not like it's a terribly harmful stereotype (at least, I don't have anything against day laborers at all) but just as a matter of good hygiene I believe it's good to hedge a bit when you're spreading information that is essentially folklore. (In this case the point was to spread the folklore part, so I didn't feel it necessary to go and try to validate it with data myself.)
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mc32
1 hour ago
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Japan too has a lot of day laborers too -single men usually without a family support structure or they left their families for reasons. In Japan the day laborers are almost exclusively Japanese as they don't tolerate illegal immigration much.
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wkandek
1 hour ago
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The workers do not work for HomeDepot. They come to the Home Deport parking lot ready to offer their services. People unrelated to HomeDepot will come to the parking lot and offer temporary work, landscaping, construction, etc.
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bloudermilk
1 hour ago
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Day laborers are an independent labor force who do construction, landscaping, and other manual work for a negotiated cash rate. In Los Angeles they hang out in public spaces in groups, often near hardware stores, to make themselves easy to find and hire.
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phainopepla2
1 hour ago
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Day laborers at Home Depot are generally undocumented immigrants who hang around in the parking lot hoping to get hired for quick handyman type jobs. This is why they've been a target for ICE raids
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SoftTalker
1 hour ago
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They are "day laborers." People who hang around there hoping to find work helping with your home repairs, painting, appliance installation, landscaping, or other projects etc.
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untech
1 hour ago
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Huh, and that works? Sounds a bit… old-fashioned? I’d think people are looking for these services online or in some gig work app. Interesting. Sounds unpleasant both for workers that have to hang around on the street, and customers that are approached (at least that’s how I imagine it) by people offering services even when they don’t need it. (Or do customers approach workers themselves?) From the outside, sounds weird. I wonder what in the US caused it.
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phil21
1 hour ago
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At least at the Home Depot near me, the day laborers sit near the parking lot exits on the boulevard.

I go to Home Depot more than is reasonable, and I’ve never been approached by them. You typically would need to solicit them yourself. In general I find them to be respectful and pleasant - I imagine otherwise they would get customer complaints and Home Depot would have them trespassed immediately.

From others experiences I’ve talked to, they usually form “crews” with one main “crew chief” guy who speaks English you negotiate a rate and number of workers you need, and any specific skills like concrete, framing, etc. beyond simple labor. You generally are expected to provide any tools needed to complete the job beyond what fits in a standard tool belt.

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toast0
55 minutes ago
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> Huh, and that works? Sounds a bit… old-fashioned? I’d think people are looking for these services online or in some gig work app.

You need to go to the home improvement store to get materials for your job anyway, you can also pick up some people to help, too.

Why fuss on an app trying to figure out who to hire, when you can head over, say 'hey, who knows how to dig a foundation' or 'who can help me hang a door' or whatever your job is. Maybe find the worker first and they can help you shop for the stuff you need.

Drive them back to the lot at the end of the job.

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weberer
1 hour ago
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>I’d think people are looking for these services online or in some gig work app.

Then you'd need to prove your identity and pay taxes on what you earn. This is for illegal immigrants working under the table.

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JKCalhoun
26 minutes ago
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It's very old-fashioned. Like Grapes of Wrath old-fashioned.
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lalaland1125
1 hour ago
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> wonder what in the US caused it

Lots of illegal immigrants desperate for work

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altairprime
50 minutes ago
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Someone installed one of these at a shop in SFbay a couple years ago and I tracked it down, took an SPL recording snapshot, and emailed the city to report a violation of noise laws with the proof. The noisemaker was physically uninstalled after a few weeks and did not return. So, presumably Home Depot is violating LA Noise Ordinance, and could reasonably be expected to accrue fines or even forced to cease operating their retail business on that property, given a properly filed code violation report; and, since any persistent sound levels necessary to cause discomfort are almost certainly an OSHA violation, a side copy to the relevant Home Depot worker unions in LA/Cali/US might produce a rather significant result as well.
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readthenotes1
12 minutes ago
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I guess the question is what the noise level is once off Home Depot property and whether the area is prohibited for their own workers
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spqr212
1 hour ago
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I've been battling noise at the workplace and in my neighborhood for decades. Some useful resources:

Noise Pollution Clearinghouse - https://nonoise.org/

Acoustilog Incorporated - https://acoustilog.com/ Of special note are the legal caveats one must consider to prevail in a lawsuit. (https://acoustilog.com/daniel.html) Consistent documentation is key.

Maine Code of Rules - Control of Noise https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/maine/06-096-C-M-R-c... Note document search terms "tonal" and "one-third octave".

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JKCalhoun
2 hours ago
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Yeah, well I won't be going to Home Despot any longer.

I'd love to know the tech (and company) that provided the devices.

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nikkwong
2 hours ago
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What should Home Depot be doing? They don’t control the administration or the ICE raids. Forcing day laborers off the property ensures less raids happen on the property—I haven’t really understood the boycotts.
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mylifeandtimes
2 hours ago
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They don't have to set up Flock cameras and share the data with people who plan the ICE raids.

Home Depot's hands aren't totally clean here.

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Telemakhos
1 hour ago
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Home Depot put up the cameras to deal with organized crime, both theft and gift-card fraud. Flock specifically advertises that Home Depot put up the cameras to deal with gift card fraud:

> The Home Depot leveraged Flock Safety’s technology to close a case involving a multi-state gift card tampering ring, resulting in fraud and property theft charges exceeding $300,000. This type of success underscores how powerful connected data can be in mitigating fraud risks. [0]

Aside from that, Home Depot has been dealing with massive, multi-state, organized theft campaigns. Earlier this month, NY prosecutors lodged 780 counts of theft against thirteen suspects who stole millions of dollars of merchandise from Home Depot stores in nine states [1].

Not everything is about illegal immigrants.

[0] https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/combating-retail-fraud-with... [1] https://queenseagle.com/all/2025/12/12/retail-theft-ring-tha...

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nostrebored
1 hour ago
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Why not?

It is really no different than having drug dealers set up shop on your corner and sharing footage with police. You have people who are likely committing criminal activity (multiple crimes in the day laborer case) and are sharing footage with the relevant authorities.

The politicization of enforcement doesn’t change that as a business owner I would not want to own the location people facilitate illegal transactions.

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lieability
1 hour ago
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> no different

In your world view immigrants working jobs you find beneath you is the same as someone selling drugs?

> likely committing criminal activity

You understand that exploiting day laborers to circumvent labor laws puts the, mostly civil though vanishingly rare criminal, liability on the employer rather than the employee, right?

We use laws rather than your own personal hatred of immigrants to define criminality.

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nostrebored
1 hour ago
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I’ve done landscaping, home repair, fence construction, outdoor painting. My family still actively does. I don’t find them beneath me.

Working under the table without work authorization is actually spectacularly illegal as an employer and employee. Tax evasion is also spectacularly illegal as an individual.

What are you talking about?

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aftbit
1 hour ago
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I always thought having day laborers chilling in Home Depot parking lots was a net positive thing for the store and a bit of an untapped potential. Companies pay a lot of money to insert themselves in the hiring stream, and here is Home Depot as the defacto meeting point for a substantial amount of economic activity. Surely a more intelligent and less frightened company could make something positive out of this.

But that's what you get with a fear-based political leadership. ICE targets day laborers not because of the horrible damage they do to the US economy, but because they have been selected as the scapegoats du jour.

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vorpalhex
5 minutes ago
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Last time I got 10 gauge conduit wiring it was literally padlocked and needed a manager to get because the theft issues are so bad.
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djoldman
1 hour ago
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HD doesn't need anything more than asking people to leave their property. These folks generally are on a public sidewalk.
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viraptor
1 hour ago
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> What should Home Depot be doing?

Nothing? Why should they do anything?

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nroets
2 hours ago
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Could there be a motif unrelated to ICE ? That Home Depot does not like that day labourers are loitering and approaching customers entering and leaving the store.
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adgjlsfhk1
1 hour ago
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if so, you wouldn't expect this to be a new policy
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mindslight
1 hour ago
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Likely because they contrast with many of its own employees' lack of helpfulness, knowledge, or work ethic.
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singleshot_
1 hour ago
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Whatever they should be doing, it mustn't make my ears ring when I go to their store. There is only one way to prevent this: Lowe's.
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fhdkweig
1 hour ago
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I don't know if the Home Depot in question is using The Mosquito, but it is a product that has been on the market for about 20 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito

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randycupertino
1 hour ago
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drivebyhooting
1 hour ago
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I hired day laborers loitering outside HD before and got scammed.
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blell
2 hours ago
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>The immigrant community is here to stay.

Despite what is democratically voted? What is this, a threat?

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tremon
1 hour ago
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I'm not aware of any democratic vote by the Native Americans to allow the Mayflower pilgrims to stay?
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charcircuit
42 minutes ago
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Not every society works off democracy. And the Mayflower pilgrims never joined the society of native Americans. The was a treaty between them, but it was broken by the native American side.
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AlotOfReading
1 hour ago
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Home Depot isn't democratically elected, but you should sign up for survivor if you want to vote people out. Functioning democracies don't work that way.
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vorpalhex
3 minutes ago
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All societies eject people who enter illegally.

Go cross illegally into Mexico and you can experience this.

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blell
1 hour ago
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Immigration policy is one of the most important things that are voted on in functioning democracies.
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charcircuit
2 hours ago
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>The noise is in earshot of IDEPSCA’s day laborer center

I find it misleading to add this line in the article without mentioning if the decibels exceed the applicable noise ordinances, or situation this is just people on HD's property complaining about the noise they are making on their own property. In that case people are free not to visit.

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tremon
2 hours ago
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So if it's below the legal limit, people are not allowed to protest and/or complain about it?
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charcircuit
1 hour ago
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It's their property so they should be able to do what they want with it. Stopping people from complaining is impossible. If you were to smash an iPhone someone would complain about how you wasted it or something, but ultimately it's up to the owner on how they want to handle their property.
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JKCalhoun
23 minutes ago
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I agree and believe we should boycott a company if we object to the choices they make with their property.
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