I can't upgrade to Windows 11, now leave me alone
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Animats
1 hour ago
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Why would anyone want to buy a new computer now unless the old one is worn out? There is no price/performance improvement. Nor will there be for the next five years or so. NVidia says to expect 10% price increases each year. DRAM prices have doubled, and Samsung says not to expect price cuts. Micron just exited the retail RAM business.

Microsoft is trying to escape this trap by pivoting to Windows as a subscription service. It will get worse, not better.

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rob74
48 minutes ago
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Yes. So Microsoft (which manufactures hardware itself and has close ties to other hardware manufacturers) needed to find... other ways to, er, motivate people to buy new hardware anyway. Which brings us back to the blog post we are commenting on.

Not sure Windows as a subscription service is the end goal though. But maybe we should all wish for M$ to do that, maybe that would be what's needed to finally bring about the Year of The Linux Desktop™.

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CrossVR
22 minutes ago
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I don't think selling more hardware is the primary motivation. The motivation is ensuring everyone has TPM 2.0 enabled on their device.

This allows Microsoft to protect parts of their software even from the user that owns the hardware it's running on. With TPM enabled you finally give up the last bit of control you had over the software running on your hardware.

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fluidcruft
2 minutes ago
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Maybe instead Microsoft could allow Windows 11 to install and run and flash red screens at you all the time where otherwise ads would show up that constantly nag that "THIS LAPTOP IS FUCKING INSECURE!" or something. I'm sure running Windows 11 without TPM 2.0 will be more secure than running Windows 10 without bug fixes and security patches.
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sixtyj
18 minutes ago
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bitwize
7 minutes ago
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Windows 12 will close the loophole: your CPU will require a signed code path from boot down to application level code. No option to disable Secure Boot or install your own keys. But there needs to be an installed base of secure hardware for this to happen, hence the TPM 2.0 requirements for Windows 11.
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kgwxd
23 minutes ago
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> motivate people to buy new hardware

Open source drivers, and a sense that Linux support will forever be top priority, would be a motivator for me. Most of my tech spend has been with Valve in the past few years. I'd love if there was another company I actually enjoy giving my money to.

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kalaksi
14 minutes ago
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May I suggest Framework (https://frame.work/linux).
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hulitu
19 minutes ago
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> So Microsoft (which manufactures hardware itself and has close ties to other hardware manufacturers)

You mean the Microsoft vacuum cleaner ? /s

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chocochunks
20 minutes ago
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Any computer that can't run Windows 11 is almost a decade old. There has been plenty of improvement. Compare a laptop with a high end Intel i7 7920HK to even a lower end part like the Core Ultra 5 226V. Right now prices on pre-builts and laptops aren't totally reflecting the craziness at least.
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dotancohen
7 minutes ago
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My daily desktop is mostly 2012 vintage. This hardware is still in use and works fine.

For what it's worth, that machine is being used while I upgrade my 2001 Computer Of Theseus once more. It's now getting it's third motherboard with CPU - this one salvaged from a 2018 or 2019 gaming machine. It's on its second case, and has seen more hard drive and memory upgrades than I can count - all of them piecemeal. Other than perhaps the motherboard screws and hard drive screws, I'm not sure if anything actually purchased in 2001 still survives in there. Maybe the power cable and pc speaker. And I don't remember ever replacing the rear case fan now that I'm looking at it.

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detritus
10 minutes ago
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Cool, but my decade-old machine works perfectly well for my needs, as too I imagine a million other such machines.
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chocochunks
3 minutes ago
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I'm sure it works, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been improvements.
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markus_zhang
1 hour ago
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My only complain is that nowadays laptops are usually poorly built, so unless one purchases an expensive guarantee, anything beyond the default guarantee is not guaranteed.
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cm2187
57 minutes ago
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And the manufacturers are in a quest to remove as many keys as they can from the keyboard. Like you can hardly find any light laptop today with page up/down keys anymore. Why?.... Haven't these guys heard of keyboard shortcuts?
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ack_complete
56 seconds ago
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Worse than that, there's no consistency in Fn+key shortcuts. Recently acquired an HP Ergonomic Keyboard as a replacement for a broken Sculpt, only to find out that it literally cannot send Ctrl+Break -- there's no key for it, no Fn+key shortcut for it and the remapping software doesn't simulate it properly.
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userbinator
33 minutes ago
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I suspect it's gradual cost-cutting. At the manufacturing scales they're operating with, even one keyswitch adds up.
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arccy
52 minutes ago
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don't you like doing finger contortions to use all the modifier keys?
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OptionOfT
12 minutes ago
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They aren't always the same: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20110809-00/?p=99...

Also, even when they are the same, on certain laptops you literally hit the key-rollover problem.

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cm2187
45 minutes ago
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I think it is the single most convincing proof that we are being secretly replaced by lizard people with 8 fingers!
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gerdesj
30 minutes ago
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You probably didn't grow up with horrors like the WordPerfect function key strip or being faced with a keyboard like that on the ZX80/81/Speccy etc.
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sixtyj
21 minutes ago
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Yes, it's a miracle that after 40 years of typing every day, my fingers still work. But that may be a biased view on my part; there may be lots of programmers out there with arthritis in their fingers, carpal tunnel syndrome, and other occupational diseases.
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markus_zhang
45 minutes ago
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Oh yeah, they sometimes put page up and down on up and down which infuriates me very much. There are other issues like less USB ports, but overall quality is poor comparing to MacBooks.
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eswat
22 minutes ago
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Sad to look back years ago when the first mobile apps started adopting this "Remind Me Later"-only dark pattern and is now festering everyday drivers like your OS.

Between these and services that suddenly suffer from amnesia and spamming me with marketing notifications and emails after months or years of silence, it’s becoming more tiring to use any service that grows significantly enough where they don’t need to care about what their users actually want.

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dvfjsdhgfv
5 minutes ago
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> Sad to look back years ago when the first mobile apps started adopting this "Remind Me Later"-only dark pattern and is now festering everyday drivers like your OS.

I can offer a slightly different perspective. I remember Microsoft from the 90s and early 2000s. And while technical details differ, their attitude towards users didn't change that much.

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its-summertime
2 minutes ago
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I don't know how many years/months/days/hours the author is going to continue using Windows for, but this seems like a perfect task to be "resolved" by AHK, which is probably in the top 10 things Windows users have access to. Worth trying, at least before switching to another source of operating system.
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Melatonic
4 minutes ago
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Switch to Win10 LTSC iOT if you want to keep getting security updates for many years

Bonus is it strips out all the crap and is super fast

Downside is a few specific pieces of software refuse to install (for no good technical reason). Adobe Photoshop for example

There is also win11 LTSC iOT which I believe might actually install on older hardware that normal win11 will not (don't quote me on this)

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prmoustache
1 hour ago
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In late 2025, there are plenty of alternatives:

Linux FreeBSD NetBSD OpenBSD DragonflyBSD Haiku Plan9 Redox ReactOS Debian Gnu/Hurd FreeDOS Genode SculptOS

And probably some others I haven't heard of. Using Windows in 2025 AND complaining about it is complaining about a self inflicted wound.

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mr_person
56 minutes ago
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The more likely option than any of these excellent free options is going to be MacOS… just because your average user with even semi-technical inclination does not want to use LibreOffice Present; they want PowerPoint.

I have just seen this first hand with my significant other: they are very technical and more than capable of it, but have zero interest in learning Linux and instead just bought a MacBook on Black Friday specials when their 5 year old HP laptop finally got too annoying to use.

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prmoustache
7 minutes ago
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Well, I didn't mention MacOS because it is not installable on the author's win10 computer.

Also, MacOs is as difficult to learn as Linux is for someone who never used it. Resistance to change exist in all directions.

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brooke2k
35 minutes ago
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Having a job that requires Windows is not what I would call self-inflicted.
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prmoustache
5 minutes ago
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That is besides the point. In that case it is self-inflicted by the company choosing to depend on it.
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db48x
33 minutes ago
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True. It is a would inflicted by your employer in that case. Maybe you could find a different one that doesn’t inflict such wounds.
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detritus
6 minutes ago
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What a bubble you exist in. I'm self-employed and my entire suite of software is either windows or apple only and I have 'been a pc' for nearly thirty years and have pc hardware that fulfills all my requirements and can't run apple software.

I'm eyeing up a shift to apple when my current hardware fails me, but it's impossible for me to just go Linux.

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Tempest1981
1 hour ago
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I think it would be less daunting for many if there were 1 or 2 popular alternatives to rally around. Including window managers / desktop environments. (Granted, it's nice they can all coexist peacefully.)
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askvictor
1 hour ago
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There are a handful of popular Linux distros. Ubuntu is probably the most beginner-friendly one with the most staying power; it's the easiest place to start if you have no other ideas/requirements.

The thing is, a healthy ecosystem thrives on diversity. Rallying behind one or two tends towards a monoculture.

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dullcrisp
1 hour ago
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I think Linux is the most popular of the alternatives listed.
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petcat
1 hour ago
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> at this point a Windows machine only belongs to you in name. Microsoft can run arbitrary code on it.

I get what the author is trying to say, but...like... obviously?

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II2II
1 hour ago
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I get what you're saying, but OS vendors could prevent themselves from running arbitrary code, even from themselves, without the user's authorization if they really wanted to. I'm not sure it is in anyone's best interest since it would affect everything from security updates to automatically installing device drivers (e.g. people would be left with insecure systems or would claim Windows is broken since most would not understand the prompts). It would also be difficult to prevent Microsoft's marketing department from sneaking a trojan horse into things like security update.
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charcircuit
30 minutes ago
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The average user is not able to understand the code that is running and the 99th percentile user does not want to spend the time to understand the code.
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kgwxd
13 minutes ago
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Make it do the security stuff out-of-the-box, allow the user to change ANYTHING they want, including turning off the security stuff. Linux! It's in everyone's best interest.
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asdefghyk
1 hour ago
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Probably influenced by the Microsoft history of sneaky things over last 45 years
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souenzzo
1 hour ago
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I mean, the free software community has been saying this for 40 years now.
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p_ing
1 hour ago
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In 1985, there were no autoupdates/forced updates/or really any available updates that didn't come on physical media.
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voidfunc
1 hour ago
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I mean.. how is this different from any OS distribution? Apple can push whatever. So can Red Hat or Ubuntu or Gentoo. Unless im literally running Linux From Scratch im at the mercy of maintainers to do whatever they want.
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II2II
45 minutes ago
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I'm not sure what the current state of most distributions is, but I remember update applications providing an option to accept or reject individual packages. Even without that, you could preview the list of pending updates and delay them indefinitely, do manual updates of individual packages, or configure it to ignore particular packages during updates. Historically, I believe that you could block certain updates on Windows as well - or maybe you could just rollback and update. Of course none of this is considered user friendly so things may have changed.
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undersuit
1 hour ago
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Provide a way to show that your compiled code is what you say it is.

https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds

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MarsIronPI
26 minutes ago
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But where does the original compiler come from? Reproducible builds are only as good as the compiler used to compile them. That's the point of Trusting Trust. If you build with a backdoored compiler and I reproduce your build with the same backdoored compiler, that solves nothing. This is why full-source bootstrap is important[0].

[0]: https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-...

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Certhas
1 hour ago
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Is that true? Can Ubuntu download and install and run new code without me doing anything? I am not sure that's the case.

Of course every time I run an update, they can install whatever. But that's different from what Windows is doing as I understand it...

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AndrewDucker
1 hour ago
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"Ubuntu will apply security updates automatically, without user interaction. This is done via the unattended-upgrades package, which is installed by default."

https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/how-to/software/auto...

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aruggirello
17 minutes ago
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Right, but it's a minor annoyance, get rid of it with:

    sudo apt-get remove --purge unattended-upgrades
(doesn't trigger removal of anything else, and you'll enjoy 420kb of additional disk space).

OTOH the real issue with Ubuntu is snap(d). Snap packages definitely do auto-update. You may want to uninstall the whole snap system - it's (still?) perfectly possible, if a little bit convoluted, due to some infamous snaps like firefox, thunderbird, chromium, or eg. certbot on servers

Or just use Debian or any snap-free fork for the matter.

Edit: fixed

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CamperBob2
8 minutes ago
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I mean.. how is this different from any OS distribution?

The other OS distributions let you turn it off.

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jmclnx
47 minutes ago
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There are a lot more distros than RH, Ubuntu, Gentoo and LFS. And none of them will show you ads except maybe Ubuntu. Plus you can also look at *BSD.

None of them comes close to what Microsoft is doing. To me, your comment looks like you do not understand the Linux eco-system. Plus IIRC, LFS can now come with compiled binaries.

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gmponyo
1 hour ago
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Do yourself a favor and start using Linux on both machines.
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canyp
9 minutes ago
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The most egregious thing in recent iterations of Win11 is that a fresh installation will basically map all of your home folder to OneDrive. My Documents, My Pictures, My Music, etc. A recent Windows update also told me that I need OneDrive now to back up my files. Yup, apparently you really, really need it.
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__david__
2 minutes ago
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Worse is that the notification for this “error” telling me I couldn’t back up without OneDrive was behind the little dot in the restart/logout menu in the start menu, which (until now) only showed me that updates were required. Now that they’ve infested that notification with ads there’s no reason for me to ever look at it again. Good job, Microsoft.
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damion6
13 minutes ago
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Use Rufus it'll disable hardware requirements, without hassle. You will need an iso. If you know someone with 11 have them download it. Otherwise download the generic.
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vorpalhex
11 minutes ago
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...but then you have to use Windows 11...
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labrador
19 minutes ago
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I'm happy with Windows 11 after tweaks to fix it. I certainly sympathesize with Windows 10 users who can't upgrade. But it seems to me Windows 10 users aren't getting the message: Microsoft just isn't that into you.

Do you think Windows OS is a profit center, especially after factoring in the cost of security fixes for older less secure releases? I'm guessing not (I don't have the figures) and Microsoft would rather you replace your 10 year old laptop that can't run Windows 11 or run Linux on it. They really don't care which, just as long as you go away and they don't have to support you anymore.

I'm not assosciated with Microsoft, just someone who has been using their products for 40 years. I am someone who can read in between the lines, and this is my take.

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VitalKoshalew
9 minutes ago
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There is no free support, e.g. call center agents for Windows 10 users. As for security vulnerabilities in Windows 10, Microsoft is going to continue fixing them until at least 2032 (probably longer with extended support) anyways, as Windows 10 1809 LTSC end-of-life is 2029 and Windows 10 21H2 IoT LTSC is supported until 2032.

Microsoft isn't that into you either. With Windows 11 you are not a customer, you and your data are the products.

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labrador
4 minutes ago
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Meh. I'm also a Linux destop user on a second machine. I'll completely switch when Windows 11 becomes a problem for me. Microsoft used to be a OS company, but is now a cloud company that offers Linux on it's cloud services.
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kosma
42 minutes ago
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Surprisingly effective solution:

  Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
  
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
  "ProductVersion"="Windows 10"
  "TargetReleaseVersion"=dword:00000001
  "TargetReleaseVersionInfo"="22H2"
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markus_zhang
18 minutes ago
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Just curious what does it do?
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CommenterPerson
1 hour ago
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I ordered a basic Windows laptop, it comes with Windows 11. It's going to be my Linux starter computer. I'm not a computer person. Wish me luck!
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codepoet80
1 hour ago
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I hope you researched Linux driver support for that model first. I share the dissatisfaction with the direction of Windows -- but their driver library is unparalleled. Linux CAN run great on lots of machines, but it has nowhere near the hardware support.
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notKilgoreTrout
37 minutes ago
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I've not really seen that much of a problem with Linux drivers being available recently while the quality problem of windows drivers being unreviewed code seems like its partly addressed for central monopolies but still in the peripherals if you'll pardon the pun.
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drnick1
2 hours ago
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The Penguin is calling.
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Neil44
1 hour ago
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Not being battered by upsells nobody asked for every time you turn the laptop on is so refreshing.
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maniacwhat
1 hour ago
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This reminds me of the situation with online ads.

Most people with ad blockers don't realize how unusable the web is for those that don't have ad blockers. I think most would agree this is a poor state that industry incentives have landed us in, and with the web being distributed, it's hard to know how to fix.

Similarly those who use Linux probably don't realize how bad Windows has got recently.

Microsoft has managed to replicate this awful ux problem on a system that they entirely control...

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userbinator
21 minutes ago
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Windows used to be like that too, when MS was more focused on being hostile to the competition than its own customers.
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the_snooze
1 hour ago
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When your computer does what you tell it and it doesn't actively try to undermine your intentions, computing becomes fun again.
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cogman10
1 hour ago
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My 5 year old laptop runs a lot faster as well.

Linux was designed to run on potatoes and has very little bloat over the years. The UX isn't terribly worse on fairly old hardware.

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MarsIronPI
21 minutes ago
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> Linux was designed to run on potatoes and has very little bloat over the years. I think it's more that it was designed in the 80s-90s for hardware at the time, and hasn't added bloat or "requirements" since then. So as computers have gotten more capable Linux takes less of the overall capacity.
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charcircuit
28 minutes ago
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>Linux was designed to run on potatoes

This is factually not true.

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immibis
1 hour ago
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Linux has plenty of bloat. But it's your bloat. You get the power to slice through it how you want and nobody will stop you.
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cogman10
1 hour ago
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Well, I'd say it's almost the reverse of how it is with windows.

In windows, the bloat is built in by default. You don't get to chose how the start menu works, you get the windows default start menu and you better like the ads in it. It takes work to pull that garbage out.

In linux most stuff is opt in.

The other part of linux is most stuff isn't simply there running in the background by default. Firefox eats a decent amount of memory, but it's not doing that when I don't have my browser open.

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MarsIronPI
24 minutes ago
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Instead, you get battered by proselytes every time you go online! :D
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mystraline
2 hours ago
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Exactly.

Upgrade, to Linux.

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twilo
24 minutes ago
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Why bother with Linux when there is MacOS? You get decent hardware to go with it too
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MarsIronPI
20 minutes ago
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Because some of us would rather not have to buy new hardware just because Apple says no more updates for your machine.
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markus_zhang
17 minutes ago
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IMO Mac eco is good hardware plus meh software. Some built ins are really in bad shape — but I guess people have different opinions, although I think calling Finder a beta version is an insult to “beta”.
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claysmithr
1 hour ago
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2026 year of the linux desktop
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Too
1 hour ago
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To be honest Linux desktop has been ready for the past 4-5 years or so. Long gone are the days where Bluetooth suddenly stopped, external monitors crashing and when closing the lid only put the laptop to sleep every fifth time. Heck, even Wayland, wireless printers and usb-c docking stations work these days, even with nvidia. You might even find some games.

It’s become a boring appliance that just works every time. Just they way I want it. I even forgot how to use grub.

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baal80spam
1 hour ago
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Any year now!
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summa_tech
1 hour ago
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I don't know... Two people around me recently switched to Linux because they could not stand how bad Windows 11 got. I did not encourage either of them (I've got my share of frustrations after running a Linux desktop exclusively for 25 years, and will not consent to be the object of their ire when they inevitably get frustrated - I'd rather help them on neutral ground instead).
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brokencode
1 hour ago
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I ran Linux on my laptop in college over a decade ago and it worked great.

It just depends on application compatibility and to a smaller extent driver support, though that shouldn’t be a problem for an older laptop.

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WXLCKNO
1 hour ago
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I've always dual booted windows with some Linux and used it like 90/10.

I haven't even tried windows 11 even though my PC is compatible.

Went full Linux and I'm not sure what I was missing at this point that I needed from Windows.

Ran Pop OS (cosmic) which is the new Wayland based one but unfortunately it's still buggy and then I switched to a gaming focused Linux called Bazzite which has been perfect.

Tiny learning curve because it's an "immutable" OS but have everything I need running on it plus everything gaming related works out of the box.

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brokencode
1 hour ago
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I’m really hoping Steam Deck keeps on pushing game makers to support Linux. It’s really gotten a lot better, except for competitive games that need most types of anti-cheat.

If Linux supported all the games I wanted to play, I would ditch Windows on my home PC.

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bigyabai
1 hour ago
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It was 2019 for me. I haven't daily-driven a Windows or Mac machine in almost 5 years now.
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Animats
1 hour ago
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Me either.

But Firefox on Ubuntu is not very good. It can expand to fill the whole machine and get killed by the OOM killer. Sometimes during long text input it hangs and has to be killed and restarted. 8 GB isn't enough any more.

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bigyabai
1 hour ago
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Yep, I use a tab suspender to keep Firefox in check, and use zram/swap on my laptop. Works like a charm for me.
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jesprenj
1 hour ago
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I sure like seeing

    Expanded Security Maintenance for Applications is not enabled.
    
    0 updates can be applied immediately.
    
    108 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps.
    Learn more about enabling ESM Apps service at https://ubuntu.com/esm
every time I log in. Or

> You do not have a valid subscription for this server. Please visit www.proxmox.com to get a list of available options.

every time I log in.

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bramhaag
1 hour ago
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Believe it or not, Ubuntu is not the only Linux distribution.
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CamperBob2
5 minutes ago
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So disable it?
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Too
1 hour ago
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That’s if you run a OS version older than 5 years. You can still update to a newer Ubuntu version for free and get another 5 years if you pick an LTS version.
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smj-edison
25 minutes ago
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Is it possible to switch an existing windows 10 install to the extended support version? (Can't remember the exact term).
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markus_zhang
19 minutes ago
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LTSC. Technically MSFT doesn’t offer them to laymen like us but I don’t think they would care if you pirate them.
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garyfirestorm
47 minutes ago
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And it’s not just TPM. I have tpm module however they don’t support my Intel 7700K processor.
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mastazi
1 hour ago
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For many types of users, Windows is no longer viable. I have friends who work at a .NET shop and most of that team now uses Macs. Unthinkable just a few years ago. Meanwhile, I checked ProtonDB and now 90% of my Steam library is Platinum or Native. So I finally switched my gaming PC to Linux. Microsoft's priorities are elsewhere, Windows doesn't have a bright future.
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markus_zhang
1 hour ago
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There must be a way to disable this thing. Maybe we can disable the service? But anyway I already switched to Linux for my daily usage. It is not smooth as Windows due to driver issues and other weird things, like Firefox crashing frequently when I’m typing in a text box like this one, but still feels better than Windows.

The Windows team and its product manager is determined to trash the product. Good work!

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ivanjermakov
11 minutes ago
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> There must be a way to disable this thing.

If Windows had a slogan, this would be it.

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j1elo
1 hour ago
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Adding to the enshittified pile of bad decissions that Windows has become, the actual requirements for Windows 11 are just a corporate caprice and not a real "requirement". I did whatever it needed to bypass the checks at install time, and W11 is now working exactly and equally as well as W10 was, on a laptop which only has TPM 1.2 and an old CPU.

Where is the requirement then in modern CPUs and TPM 2.0, Microsoft? Didn't you mean "nice to have" so additional but perfectly optional security features could be enabled?

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ChrisSD
1 hour ago
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It's beside the point of the article but...

> The hardware limitation is specifically TPM 2.0

Almost every even half decent CPU made in the last decade does have TPM 2.0, albeit for some strange reason OEMs used to ship with it disabled. You may be able to turn it on in the bios.

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derekdahmer
37 minutes ago
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My 7700k, a top of the line CPU from 2017, doesn’t support Windows 11 even though it has TPM 2.0. I had to install using rufus.
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ChrisSD
36 minutes ago
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For sure, there are other hardware requirements a 2017 CPU may fail.
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throwaway613745
13 minutes ago
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Ultimately, I didn't switch to Linux because I wanted to. I switched to Linux because Microsoft became so actively hostile to me I felt like I didn't have any other choice.

No Microsoft, I'm not buying new hardware just to get the new OS. No, I'm not going to let you nag me every single day until I get pissed off enough to. No, I will not tolerate all the little things in your OS that piss me off everyday. Your software sucks. Your filesystem sucks. Your constant nagging sucks. I don't want your cloud TPM security bullshit and I DEFINITELY don't want Copilot or Recall.

Seriously Microsoft: fuck you.

Giving up being able to play certain games - which require me to install malware into my computer anyway - is a small price to pay to have my sanity and freedom back. I own my computer, not you. Goodbye and good riddance.

I already used MacOS and Linux for work anyway. But don't worry Apple, you're riding that line pretty dangerously too - you're gonna be next on the chopping block if you don't get your act together.

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andrewstuart
1 hour ago
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Satya Nadella really nosedived Windows.
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stevenjgarner
1 hour ago
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I disagree. I think his intention was to maximize shareholder value which he has done dramatically by making the user the product being sold. Microsoft stock has soared even at the expense of Microsoft shedding users. Satya has realized the true value of Windows as a revenue platform. It never was a competitive operating system.

From my earlier comment to another Windows post:

Windows 11 has transitioned from a standalone tool into a digital storefront that prioritizes recurring revenue through aggressive prompts for Microsoft 365 and OneDrive subscriptions. By mandating cloud-based Microsoft Accounts, the OS effectively anchors your identity to a marketing ID, allowing the company to track behavior and monetize your data. The interface now functions as an advertising platform, injecting "recommended" apps and sponsored content directly into the Start menu and search results. Ultimately, this shift means users are no longer just customers of a product, but recurring assets whose attention and telemetry are sold to sustain Microsoft’s ecosystem and maximize shareholder value.

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wvenable
1 hour ago
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I disagree. Satya doesn't give a crap about Windows; he's the cloud guy. Over 40% of Microsoft's revenue is cloud. Another 20% is office (which is also heading towards cloud). Windows revenue is a measly 9% -- even less than gaming.

Windows is what it is because it's really not important to Microsoft to anymore. It's effectively unmoored from the rest of organization and left to fight for some kind of financial relevance in an organization that doesn't care about Windows anymore.

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Dwedit
1 hour ago
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Rufus will let you install with a local account even on PCs that don't support TPM, but would you really want to?
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stevenjgarner
1 hour ago
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Microsoft users are the product being sold
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Fairburn
1 hour ago
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Block updates, remove bloat via PS scripts. Done.
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1970-01-01
1 hour ago
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I've been running Win11 without a TPM for 6 years. Saying you can't upgrade isn't the same thing as Windows saying you can't upgrade. Knowing your OS seems to be a lost art. I'm not dismissing the valid complaint, but the title is empirically wrong clickbait.
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sam_goody
53 minutes ago
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In Win 11 Home, and want to add a local account and not change it to a Windows account, and not share my stuff with MS. No Cloud or "Backups", thank you.

The option to enable a local account was through the command line only. The dark patterns and persausion to convince me not to was off putting.

But every time I boot in to have to go through the nag screen is off the wall.

It is truly crazy how much I understand the dedication people have to avoid using a unfamiliar system.

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TekMol
1 hour ago
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Linux
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self_awareness
1 hour ago
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> I also paid for a pro version of the OS.

Yep. And you got what you've paid for.

Look at it. This is "pro" now.

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spencerflem
2 hours ago
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I love the phrase I heard recently: “software developers don’t understand consent”

It describes so much

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kgklxksnrb
1 hour ago
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When I, as a developer, was told (essentially forced if I wanted to keep my job) to implement dark patterns, I did it knowing I made the world worse. I was fully aware of it, and my coworkers as well, we discussed it openly, and I imagine everyone implementing such tech are. Of course I and other could claim plausible deniability, ”we didn’t understand consent”.
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baal80spam
2 hours ago
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Sales people don't understand it, not software developers.
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canyp
5 minutes ago
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If you are a software developer and you implemented that without question, you suck.
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Blackthorn
1 hour ago
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Which one invented "ask me again later" dialogs?
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mikestew
1 hour ago
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Sales people, and that shit rolled downhill to the devs. The days of devs writing dialog text in something like Windows are long gone.
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heelix
1 hour ago
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What is the difference between software and car sales? The car sales knows when they are lying.
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hulitu
1 hour ago
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See Windows and Android. Blaming only the sales people is ... not helping.
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bigyabai
1 hour ago
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Blaming the sales people is correct. Technically-minded people likely do know better, they just lack the authority to override the top-down administrative decisions.
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ghostly_s
1 hour ago
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These problems are rampant enough in the OSS world too, never heard of an open source salesman.
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paradox460
13 minutes ago
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Rms?
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ThrowawayR2
1 hour ago
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Software developers understand consent well but they understand dollar signs even better.
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kotaKat
1 hour ago
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Turns out "AI" is now "Arrogant Incels"?
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rspoerri
1 hour ago
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disable tpm in the bios
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ktm5j
1 hour ago
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What would that accomplish?
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prmoustache
1 hour ago
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Just use something else and stop whining.
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