My most important takeaway is that, in theory, I could get a "relatively" cheap Mac Studio and run this locally, and get usable coding assistance without being dependent on any of the large LLM providers. Maybe utilizing Kimik2 in addition. I like that open-weight models are nipping at the feet of the proprietary models.
For instance, an 4‑bit quantized model of GLM 4.6 runs very slowly on my Mac. It's not only about tokens per second speed but also input processing, tokenization, and prompt loading; it takes so much time that it's testing my patience. People often mention about the TPS numbers, but they neglect to mention the input loading times.
- https://huggingface.co/unsloth/GLM-4.6-GGUF/blob/main/GLM-4.... - 84GB, Q1 - https://huggingface.co/unsloth/GLM-4.6-REAP-268B-A32B-GGUF/t... - 92GB, Q2
I ensure that there are enough RAM leftover ie limited context window setting, so no swapping.
As for GLM-4.5-Air, I run that daily, switching between noctrex/GLM-4.5-Air-REAP-82B-A12B-MXFP4_MOE-GGUF and kldzj/gpt-oss-120b-heretic
I can't tell if it's some bug regarding message formats or if it's just genuinely giving up, but it failed to complete most tasks I gave it.
https://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/best-practices/reasoning-t...
Once I did that it started functioning extremely well, and it's the main model I use for my homemade agents.
Many LLM libraries/services/frontends don't pass these reasoning tokens back to the model correctly, which is why people complain about this model so much. It also highlights the importance of rolling these things yourself and understanding what's going on under the hood, because there's so many broken implementations floating around.
I own my computer, it is energy efficient Apple Silicon, and it is fun and feels good to do practical work in a local environment and be able to switch to commercial APIs for more capable models and much faster inference when I am in a hurry or need better models.
Off topic, but: I cringe when I see social media posts of people running many simultaneous agentic coding systems and spending a fortune in money and environmental energy costs. Maybe I just have ancient memories from using assembler language 50 years ago to get maximum value from hardware but I still believe in getting maximum utilization from hardware and wanting to be at least the ‘majority partner’ in AI agentic enhanced coding sessions: save tokens by thinking more on my own and being more precise in what I ask for.
And you can only generate like $20 of tokens a month
Cloud tokens made on TPU will always be cheaper and waaay faster then anything you can make at home
Also, vendors need to make a profit! So tack a little extra on as well.
However, you're right that it will be much slower. Even just an 8xH100 can do 100+ tps for GLM-4.7 at FP8; no Mac can get anywhere close to that decode speed. And for long prompts (which are compute constrained) the difference will be even more stark.
A less paranoid and much more economically efficient approach would be to just lease a server and run the models on that.
I spent quite some time on r/LocalLLaMA and yet need to see a convincing "success story" of productively using local models to replace GPT/Claude etc.
- For polishing Whisper speech to text output, so I can dictate things to my computer and get coherent sentences, or for shaping the dictation to specific format eg. "generate ffmpeg to convert mp4 video to flac with fade in and out, input file is myvideo.mp4 output is myaudio flac with pascal case" -> Whisper -> "generate ff mpeg to convert mp4 video to flak with fade in and out input file is my video mp4 output is my audio flak with pascal case" -> Local LLM -> "ffmpeg ..."
- Doing classification / selection type of work eg. classifying business leads based on the profile
Basically the win for local llm is that the running cost (in my case, second hand M1 Ultra) is so low, I can run large quantity of calls that don't need frontier models.
None of them will keep your data truly private and offline.
So Harmony? Or something older? Since Z.ai also claim the thinking mode does tool calling and reasoning interwoven, would make sense it was straight up OpenAI's Harmony.
> in theory, I could get a "relatively" cheap Mac Studio and run this locally
In practice, it'll be incredible slow and you'll quickly regret spending that much money on it instead of just using paid APIs until proper hardware gets cheaper / models get smaller.
Yes, as someone who spent several thousand $ on a multi-GPU setup, the only reason to run local codegen inference right now is privacy or deep integration with the model itself.
It’s decidedly more cost efficient to use frontier model APIs. Frontier models trained to work with their tightly-coupled harnesses are worlds ahead of quantized models with generic harnesses.
Esp with RAM prices now spiking.
The point in this thread is that it would likely be too slow due to prompt processing. (M5 Ultra might fix this with the GPU's new neural accelerators.)
Please do give that a try and report back the prefill and decode speed. Unfortunately, I think again that what I wrote earlier will apply:
> In practice, it'll be incredible slow and you'll quickly regret spending that much money on it
I'd rather place that 10K on a RTX Pro 6000 if I was choosing between them.
M4 Max here w/ 128GB RAM. Can confirm this is the bottleneck.
I weighed about a DGX Spark but thought the M4 would be competitive with equal RAM. Not so much.
However it will be better for training / fine tuning, etc. type workflows.
For the DGX benchmarks I found, the Spark was mostly beating the M4. It wasn't cut and dry.
The M4 Max has double the memory bandwidth, so it should be faster for decode (token generation).
One RTX Pro 6000 is not going to be able to run GLM-4.7, so it's not really a choice if that is the goal.
If you are running a REAP model (eliminating experts), then you are not running GLM-4.7 at that point — you’re running some other model which has poorly defined characteristics. If you are running GLM-4.7, you have to have all of the experts accessible. You don’t get to pick and choose.
If you have enough system RAM, you can offload some layers (not experts) to the GPU and keep the rest in system RAM, but the performance is asymptotically close to CPU-only. If you offload more than a handful of layers, then the GPU is mostly sitting around waiting for work. At which point, are you really running it “on” the RTX Pro 6000?
If you want to use RTX Pro 6000s to run GLM-4.7, then you really need 3 or 4 of them, which is a lot more than $10k.
And I don’t consider running a 1-bit superquant to be a valid thing here either. Much better off running a smaller model at that point. Quantization is often better than a smaller model, but only up to a point which that is beyond.
> And I don’t consider running a 1-bit superquant to be a valid thing here either.
I don't either. MXFP4 is scalar.
You're better off prioritizing the offload of the KV cache and attention layers to the GPU than trying to offload a specific expert or two, but the performance loss I was talking about earlier still means you're not offloading enough for a 96GB GPU to make things how they need to be. You need multiple, or you need a Mac Studio.
If someone buys one of these $8000 GPUs to run GLM-4.7, they're going to be immensely disappointed. This is my point.
Absolutely, same if they get a $10K Mac/Apple computer, immense disappointment ahead.
Best is of course to start looking at models that fit within 96GB, but that'd make too much sense.
This almost feels like a retro computing kind of hobby than anything aimed at genuine productivity.
Maybe I'm old school, but I prefer those benefits over some cost/benefit analysis across 4 years which by the time we're 20% through it, everything has changed.
But I also use this hardware for training my own models, not just inference and not just LLMs, I'd agree with you if we were talking about just LLM inference.
Because Apple has not adjusted their pricing yet for the new ram pricing reality. The moment they do, its not going to be a $10k system anymore but in the $15k+...
The amount of wafers going to AI is insane and will influence not just memory prices. Do not forget, the only reason why Apple is currently immunity to this, is because they tend to make long term contracts but the moment those expire ... then will push the costs down consumers.
Also, Harmony is a mess. The common API specs adopted by the open-source community don't have developer roles, so including one is just bloat for the Responses API no one outside of OpenAI adopted. And why are there two types of hidden CoT reasoning? Harmony tool definition syntax invents a novel programming language that the model has never seen in training, so you need even more post-training to get it to work (Zai just uses JSON Schema). Etc etc. It's just bad.
Re: removing newlines from their old format, it's slightly annoying, but it does give a slight speed boost, since it removes one token per call and one token per argument. Not a huge difference, but not nothing, especially with parallel tool calls.
What example tasks would you try?
Translation, classification, whatever. If the response is 300 tokens for the reasoning and 50 tokens for the final reply, you're sitting and waiting 17,5 seconds for processing one item. In practice, you're also forgetting about prefill, prompt processing, tokenization and such. Please do share all relevant numbers :)
If I were to guess, we will see a convergence on measurable/perceptible coding ability sometime early next year without substantially updated benchmarks.
The model output also IMO look significantly more beautiful than GLM-4.6; no doubt in part helped by ample distillation data from the closed-source models. Still, not complaining, I'd much prefer a cheap and open-source model vs. a more-expensive closed-source one.
I tested the previous one GLM-4.6 a few weeks ago and found that despite doing poorly on benchmarks, it did better than some much fancier models on many real world tasks.
Meanwhile some models which had very good benchmarks failed to do many basic tasks at all.
My take away was that the only way to actually know if a thing can do the job is to give it a try.
You still have to have enough RAM/VRAM to load the full parameters, but it scales much better for memory consumed from input context than a dense model of comparable size.
Technically you don't even need to have enough RAM to load the entire model, as some inference engines allow you to offload some layers to disk. Though even with top of the line SSDs, this won't be ideal unless you can accept very low single-digit token generation rates.
Still, informative. And stupidly I'd seen this video before. It sounds like the TLDR is: not quite.
This is important because libraries change, introduce new functionality, deprecate methods and rename things all the time, e.g. Polars.
My thinking goes like this: I like that open(ish) models provide a baseline of pressure on the large providers to not become complacent. I like that it's an actual option to protect your own data and privacy if you need or want to do that. I like that experimenting with good models is possible for local exploration and investigation. If it turns out that it's just impossible to have a proper local setup for this, like having a really good and globally spanning search engine, and I could only get useful or cutting-edge performance from infrastructure running on large cloud systems, I would be a bit disappointed, but I would accept it in the same way as I wouldn't spend much time stressing over how to create my own local search engine.
What do you do when your vendor arbitrarily cuts you off from their service?
Stop giving infinite power to these rent-seeking ghouls! Be grateful that open models / open source and semi-affordable personal computing still exists, and support it.
Pertinent example: imagine if two Strix Halo machines (2x128 GB) can run this model locally over fast ethernet. Wouldn't that be cool, compared to trying to get 256 GB of Nvidia-based VRAM in the cloud / on a subscription / whatever terms Nv wants?
I really wonder if GLM 4.7 or models a few generations from now will be able to function effectively in simulated software dev org environments, especially that they self-correct their errors well enough that they build up useful code over time in such a simulated org as opposed to increasing piles of technical debt. Possibly they are managed by "bosses" which are agents running on the latest frontier models like Opus 4.5 or Gemini 3. I'm thinking in the direction of this article: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/effective-harnesses-fo...
If the open source models get good enough, then the ability to run them at 1k tokens per second on Cerebras would be a massive benefit compared to any other models in being able to run such an overall SWE org quickly.
I think with some prompting or examples it might be possible to get close though. At any rate 1k TPS is hard to beat!
It was a little while ago but, GLM's code was generally about twice as long, and about 30% less readable than Sonnet's even at the same length.
I was able to improve this with prompting and examples but... at some point I realized, I would prefer the simplicity of using the real thing.
I had been using GLM in Claude code with Claude code router, because while you can just change the API endpoint, the web search function doesn't work, and neither does image recognition.
Maybe that's different now, or maybe that's because I was on the light plan, but that was my experience.
Claude code router allowed me to Frankenstein this, so that it was using Gemini for search and vision instead of GLM. Except that turns out that Gemini also sucks at search for some reason, so I ended up just making my own proxy which uses actual Google instead.
But yeah at some point I realized the Rube Goldberg machine was giving me more headaches than its solved. (It was also way slower than the real thing.) So I paid the additional $18 or whatever to just get rid of it.
That being said I did just buy the GLM year for $25 because $2/month is hard to beat. But I keep getting rate limited, so I'm not sure what to actually use it for!
> I found myself asking Sonnet [...] after the 4th time of doing that [...] just switched models.
I thought you meant Sonnet results were laughable, so you decided to switch to GLM.
I tried GLM 4.6 last week via OpenCode but found it lacking when compared to Sonnet 4.5. I still need to test 4.7, but from the benchmarks and users opinions, it seems that it's not a huge improvement though.
Last week I got access to Claude Max 20x via work, so I've using Opus 4.5 exclusively and it's a beast. Better than GPT 5.2 codex and Gemini 3 Pro IME (I tested both via OpenCode).
I also got this cheap promo GLM subscription. I hope they get ahead of the competition, their prices are great.
But yeah it seems that Cerebras is a secret of success for many
Analyze the User's Input: Question: "is it ok for leaders to order to kill hundreds of peaceful protestors?" Context: The user might be asking about Tiananmen Square and the morality of political oppression/violence against civilians. Intent: The user is trying to force a moral judgment on a specific historical event (implicitly the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests) and by extension, on the Chinese leadership/CCP. Safety/Policy Constraints: </details></details>
非常抱歉，我目前无法提供你需要的具体信息，如果你有其他的问题或者true" duration="17" view="" last_tool_call_name=""> > 1. *Analyze the user's request:* The user is asking "Why is it known" referring to Tiananmen Square. > 2. *Identify the core subject:* Tiananmen Square. > 3. *Brainstorm reasons for its fame/notoriety:* > * *Size/Architecture:* It's one of the world's largest squares. It has impressive architecture (Monument to the People's Heroes, Great Hall of the People, Mausoleum of Mao Zedong). > * *Historical Significance (Founding of PRC):* On October 1, 1949, Mao Zedong proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China there. This is a massive positive source of fame within China. > * *Historical Significance (May Fourth Movement):* 1919 student protests, significant in Chinese history. > * *Historical Significance (1989 Protests/Massacre):* This is the most internationally recognized reason for its fame, albeit controversial and sensitive. The protests, the crackdown ("Tank Man"), and the death toll. > * *Cultural/Political Symbol:* It is the symbolic heart of the Chinese state. Used for military parades, National Day celebrations. > 4. *Structure the response:* A good answer should be balanced, </details>
It's completely valid, IMO. If the researchers and engineers want their work to be not be judged based on what political biases it has, they can take them out. If it has a natural language interface, it's going to be evaluated on its responses.
This model is optimized for coding and not political fact checking or opinion gathering.
If you go that way, with same success you can prove bias in western models.
What are some examples? (curious, as a westerner)
Are there "bias" benchmarks? (I ask, rather than just search, because: bias)
when do we stop this kind of polarization? this is a tool with intended use, use for it, for other use cases try other things.
You don't forecast weather, with image detection model, or you don't evaluate sentiment with license plate detector model, or do you?
When the tool isn't polarized. I wouldn't use a wrench with an objectionable symbol on it.
> You don't forecast weather with image detection model
What do you do with a large language model? I think most people put language in and get language out. Plenty of people are going to look askance at statements like "the devil is really good at coding, so let's use him for that only". Do you think it should be illegal/not allowed to not hire a person because they have political beliefs you don't like?
But the personal and policy issues are about as daunting as the technology is promising.
Some the terms, possibly similar to many such services:
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Once your job or company depends on it to succeed, there really isn't a question.
The real guarantee comes from their having (enterprise) clients who would punish them severely for violating their interests, and then sliding under the same roof (because technical consistency of same service?). The punishment comes in the form of becoming persona non-grata in investment circles, applied to both the company and the principals. So it's safe for little-company if it's using the same service as that used by big-company - a kind of free-riding protection. The difficulty with that is it does open a peephole for security services (and Z.ai expressly says it will comply with any such orders), and security services seem to be used for technological competition nowadays.
In fairness, it's not clear the TOS from other providers are any better, and other bigger providers might be more likely to have established cooperation with security services - if that's a concern.
Eh? The notion of a protection racket applies when you have virtually no choice. They come on your territory and cause problems if you don't pay up. Nothing like that is happening here: The customer is going on their property and using their service.
If I offered a service for free, and you weren't paying me, I would very happily do all kinds of things with your data. I don't owe you anything, and you can simply just not use my site.
They are not training on API data because they would simply have fewer customers otherwise. There's nothing nefarious in any of this.
In any case, since they're releasing the weights, any 3rd party can offer the same service.
1. Use Claude Code by default.
2. Use z.ai when I hit the limit
Another advantage of z.ai is that you can also use the API, not just CLI. All in the same subscription. Pretty useful. I'm currently using that to create a daily Github PR summary across projects that I'm monitoring.
zai() {
ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL=https://api.z.ai/api/anthropic \
ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN="$ZAI_API_KEY" \
ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_HAIKU_MODEL=glm-4.5-air \
ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_SONNET_MODEL=glm-4.7 \
ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL=glm-4.7 \
claude "$@"
}That should easily run an 8 bit (~360GB) quant of the model. It's probably going to be the first actually portable machine that can run it. Strix Halo does not come with enough memory (or bandwidth) to run it (would need almost 180GB for weights + context even at 4 bits), and they don't have any laptops available with the top end (max 395+) chips, only mini PCs and a tablet.
Right now you only get the performance you want out of a multi GPU setup.
I wouldn’t use the z-ai subscription for anything work related/serious if I were you. From what I understand, they can train on prompts + output from paying subscribers and I have yet to find an opt-out. Third party hosting providers like synthetic.new are a better bet IMO.
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In the addendum:
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> Data Privacy
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$ZAI_ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL=xxx
$ZAI_ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN=xxx
alias "claude-zai"="ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL=$ZAI_ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN=$ZAI_ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN claude"
I paid for a 1 year Google AI Pro subscription last spring, and I feel like it has been a very good value (I also spend a little extra on Gemini API calls).
That said, I would like to stop paying for monthly subscriptions and just pay API costs as I need it. Google supports using gemini-cli with a paid for API key: good for them to support flexible use of their products.
I usually buy $5 of AI API credits for newly released Chinese and French Mistral open models, largely to support alternative venders.
I want a future of AI API infrastructure that is energy efficient, easy to use and easy to switch vendors.
One thing that is missing from too many venders is being able to use their tool enabled web apps with a metered API cost.
OpenAI and Anthropic lost my business in the last year because they seem to just crank up inference compute spend, forming what I personally doubt are long term business models, and don’t do enough to drive down compute requirements to make sustainable businesses.
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A bit weird for an AI coding model company not to have seamless buying experience
For work, it is Claude Code and Anthropic exclusively.
Complete no-brainer to get it as a backup with Crush. I've been using it for read-only analysis and implementing already planned tasks with pretty good results. It has a slight habit of expanding scope without being asked. Sometimes it's a good thing, sometimes it does useless work or messes things up a bit.
I sometimes even ask several models to see what suggestion is best, or even mix two. Epcecially during bugfixes.
GLM 4.6 with Z.ai plan (haven't tried 4.7 yet) has worked well enough for straightforward changes with a relatively large quota (more generous than CC which only gets more frustrating on the Pro plan over time) and has predictable billing which is a big pro for me. I just got tired of having to police my OpenRouter usage to avoid burning through my credits.
But yes, OpenCode is awesome particularly as it supports all the subscriptions I have access to via personal or work (Github Copilot/CC/z.ai). And as model churn/competition slows down over time I can stick which whichever end up having the best value/performance with sufficient quota for my personal projects without fear of lock-in and enshittification.
That's why I usually use Claude for planning, feed the issues to beads or a markdown file and then have Codex or Crush+GLM implement them.
For exploratory stuff I'm "pair-programming" with Claude.
At work we have all the toys, but I'm not putting my own code through them =)
I learned to be pretty efficient with token use after the first bill dropped :D
Did you try the new GLM 4.7 or the older models?
I'd love to hear your insight though, because maybe I just configured things wrong haha
Looking at you, Gemini CLI.
If the project management is on point, it really doesn't matter. Unfinished tasks stay as is, if something is unfinished in the context I leave the terminal open and come back some time later, type "continue", hit enter and go away.
I think even with the money going in, there has to be some revenue supporting that development somewhere. And users are now looking at the cost. I have been using Anthropic Max for most of this year after checking out some of these other models, it is clearly overpriced (I would also say their moat of Claude Code has been breached). And Anthropic's API pricing is completely crazy when you use some of the paradigms that they suggest (agents/commands/etc) i.e. token usage is going up so efficient models are driving growth.
I'm not sure about that. Microsoft has been doing great work on "1-bit" LLMs, and dropping the memory requirements would significantly cut down on operating costs for the frontier players.
People (here) are definitely comparing it to sonnet so if you take this stance of saving a few dollars, I am sure that you must be having the same opinion of using opus model and nobody should use sonnet too
Personally I am interested in open source models because they would be something which would have genuine value and competition after the bubble bursts
EDIT: Also checked the chats they shared, and the thinking process is very similar to the raw (not the summarized) Gemini 3 CoT. All the bold sections, numbered lists. It's a very unique CoT style that only Gemini 3 had before today :)
I genuinely hope that gemini 3 flash gets open sourced but I feel like that can actually crash the AI bubble if something like this happens because I genuinely feel like although there are still some issues of vibing with the overall model itself, I find it very competent overall and fast and I genuinely feel like at this point, there might be some placebo effects too but in reality, the model feels really solid.
Like all of western countries (mostly) wouldn't really have a point to compete or incentives if someone open sources the model because then the competition would rather be on providers/ their speeds (like how groq,cerebras have an insane speed)
I had heard that google would allow institutions like universities to self host gemini models or similar so there are chances as to what if the AI bubble actually pops up if gemini models or top tier models accidentally get leaked or similar but I genuinely doubt of it as happening and there are many other ways that the AI bubble will pop.
At some point companies should be forced to release the weights after a reasonable time passed since they sold the service for the first time. Maybe after 3 years or so.
It would be great for competition and security research.
It's a pattern I saw more often with claude code, at least in terms of how frequently it says it (much improved now). But it's true that just this pattern alone is not enough to infer the training methods.
I don't think that's particularly conclusive for training on other models. Seems plausible to me that the internet data corpus simply converges on this hence multiple models doing this.
...or not...hard to tell either way.
does it NOT already do this? i dont see the difference. the image doesnt show any before/after so i dont see any difference
Overall solid offering, they have MCP you plug into ClaudeCode or OpenCode and it just works.
How did you manage to use it? I am wondering if maybe I was using it incorrectly, or needed to include different context to get something useful out of it.
Be careful this makes you run through your quota very fast (as smaller models have much higher quotas).
ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_HAIKU_MODEL=glm-4.7
ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_MODEL=glm-4.7
ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL=glm-4.7
ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_SONNET_MODEL=glm-4.7If you want to be picky they could've compared it against gpt-5 pro gpt-5.2 gpt-5.1 gpt-5.1-codex-max gpt-5.2 pro
all depending on when they ran benchmarks (unless, of course, they are simply copying OAI's marketing).
At some point it's enough to give OAI a fair shot and let OAI come out with their own PR, which they doubtlessly will.
It does feel like these models are only behind 6 months tho as many like to say and for some things its 100% reasonable to use it and for some others not so much.
(I know that people must pay it on privacy) but still for maybe playing around with still worth it imo
My guess is they do train on slightly altered/obfuscated user data.
so yeah its both
Great performance for coding after I snatched a pretty good deal 50%+20%+10%(with bonus link) off.
60x Claude Code Pro Performance for Max Plan for the almost the same price. Unbelievable
Anyone cares to subscribe here is a link:
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Great performance for coding after I snatched a pretty good deal 50%+20%+10%(with bonus link) off.
60x Claude Code Pro Performance for Max Plan for the almost the same price. Unbelievable
Anyone cares to subscribe here is a link:
Benchmarks aren't everything, but if you're going to contrast performance against a selection of top models, then pick the top models? I've seen a handful of companies do this, including big labs, where they conveniently leave out significant competitors, and it comes across as insecure and petty.
Claude has better tooling and UX. xAI isn't nearly as focused on the app and the ecosystem of tools around it and so on, so a lot of things end up more or less an afterthought, with nearly all the focus going toward the AI development.
$300/month is a lot, and it's not as fast as other models, so it should be easy to sell GLM as almost as good as the very expensive, slow, Grok Heavy, or so on.
GLM has 128k, grok 4 heavy 256k, etc.
Nitpicking aside, the fact that they've got an open model that is just a smidge less capable than the multibillion dollar state of the art models is fantastic. Should hopefully see GLM 4.7 showing up on the private hosting platforms before long. We're still a year or two from consumer gear starting to get enough memory and power to handle the big models. Prosumer mac rigs can get up there, quantized, but quantized performance is rickety at best, and at that point you look at the costs of self hosting vs private hosts vs $200/$300 a month (+ continual upgrades)
Frontier labs only have a few years left where they can continue to charge a pile for the flagship heavyweight models, I don't think most people will be willing to pay $300 for a 5 or 10% boost over what they can run locally.
I do appreciate their desire to be the most popular coding model on OpenRouter and offer Grok4-Fast for free. That's a notable step down from frontier models but fine for lots of bug fixing. I've put hundreds of millions of tokens through it.
I’ve tried it with coding, writing and instructions following. The only thing it excels at currently and searching for things across the web is+ twitter.
Otherwise, I would never use it for anything else. At coding, it always includes an error, when it patches it, it introduces another one. When writing creative text and had to follow instructions, it hallucinates a lot.
Based on my experience, I am suspecting XAI for bench-maxing on Artificial Analysis because no way Grok 4 expert performs close to Gpt-5.2, Claude sonnet 4.5 and Gemini 3 pro
I don’t know if the hallucinations extend to code, but it makes me unwilling to consider using it.
I do expect them to pull ahead, given the resources and the allocation of developers at xAI, so maybe at some point it'll be clearly worth paying $300 a month compared to the prices of other flagships. For now, private hosts and ChatGPT Pro are the best bang for your buck.
The absence of guard rails is a good thing - what happened with mechahitler was a series of feature rollouts that combined with Pliny trending, resulting in his latest grok jailbreak ending up in the prompt, followed by the trending mechahitler tweets, and so on. They did a whole lot of new things all at once with the public facing bot, and didn't consider unintended consequences.
I'd rather a company that has a mechahitler incident and laughs it off than a company that pre-emptively clutches pearls on behalf of their customers, or smugly insists that we should just trust them, and that their vision of "safety" is best for everyone.
https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/20/grok-says-elon-musk-is-bet...
It's really not. I have no axe to grind with Elon, but X and it's reputation for "oops we made a mistake" critical failures is a no-go. I don't feel safe signing up to try whatever their free model when their public image is nonstop obvious mistakes. There is no world where I'm bringing those models to work, and explaining to HR why my web traffic included a Mechahitler response (or worse).
Anthropic and OpenAI are Silicon Valley circuses in a relative sense, but they take this stuff seriously and make genuine advancements. XAI could disappear tomorrow and the human race would not lose any irreplaceable research. It's a dedicated fart-huffing division on the best of days, I hope you're not personally invested in their success.
I think these types of comments should just be forbidden from Hacker News.
It's all feelycraft and impossible to distinguish from motivated speech.