Warren Buffett steps down as Berkshire Hathaway CEO after six decades
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walthamstow
59 minutes ago
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Driving 7 minutes to work and stopping at a drive-thru to pick up McDonalds breakfast every day. The man is a true American hero.
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riazrizvi
1 minute ago
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Yet another example to me of how he literally engineered his life for success, using principles like choosing which variables to hold fixed. What discipline.
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borplk
16 minutes ago
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His whole "I love fast food and coca cola" thing is a fake persona
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koolba
11 minutes ago
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As a red blooded capitalist who loves this country as much as the next patriot, I can assure you admiration for fast food and coke is 100% real.
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bdangubic
10 minutes ago
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if one is to make a fake persona, fast food and coke (the drink) probably won’t make top-100 list
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dullcrisp
52 minutes ago
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I always salute at the McDonalds drive-thru.
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Tade0
47 minutes ago
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The man has enviable health.
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bsder
18 minutes ago
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Wealth does that.
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kylecazar
5 minutes ago
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Also, consistently eating 1 item from McDonald's every day is probably not going to tank your health (if it's one of your few diet vices).

We've got people drinking 600 calorie frappucinos before they touch a bite of food.

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yndoendo
21 minutes ago
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Sorry, a person who life is built around greed is no hero.
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mrwaffle
12 minutes ago
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Mostly true, compared to other billionaires he's a much better flavor and a stronger record of appearing human but still, agree. I'd recommend reading The Snowball for a more complete understanding of him.
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jacquesm
20 minutes ago
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Actualy, he didn't. He's probably the one billionaire alive today for which you could not make that case. I know of one other (but he's dead).
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super256
13 minutes ago
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He was greedy when others were fearful ;)
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SecretDreams
19 minutes ago
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> He's probably the one billionaire alive today for which you could not make that case.

Is this Stockholm Syndrome?

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sharts
11 minutes ago
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Very likely. Billionaires can afford to cultivate a persona for the masses. It’s so odd when the majority actually buy it.
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irishcoffee
11 minutes ago
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You ever see Good Will Hunting? The scene where he talks about where he can “just play” and then describes the most talented people in history at what they do. That’s Buffett in his chosen life’s work.

Buffett didn’t get, for example, a small loan of a million dollars to start. He’s been working at this longer than probably anyone what will ever read this comment has been alive.

He doesn’t care about the money in the sense I feel you’re implying.

Nobody is perfect, and holding anyone to that standard sets an impossible threshold.

I don’t know how familiar you are with Warren Buffett, but I would encourage you to dig into his Wikipedia page at least, however accurate we think that is these days.

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ravenstine
1 hour ago
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I wonder how this will affect BRK-B, given that so many investors (or at least the "retail " ones) buy its shares with the assumption that they provide exposure to Buffett's strategy.

In any case, I hope Warren can experience not working at all in the few years he likely has left after being alive for over 1/3 of his country's existence!

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paxys
2 minutes ago
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BRK more or less tracks the S&P 500 and the overall stock market. There isn't some genius trading strategy in there. Buffett himself tells everyone who will listen to buy and hold a diversified index fund for a long period of time.
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Cheezmeister
35 minutes ago
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I don't know the guy, but by all indications he is even-keeled, low-stress, conscientious but come what may. Given his nationality and net-worth, I'd wager that Warren is a centenarian in waiting, unless and until he chooses to invest in the afterlife. Whichever comes first.

Respect.

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scotty79
6 minutes ago
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There's no Buffett's strategy. Market buys whatever Buffett's company bought. That's how he got unusual gains.

Moment of fame stretched over 60 year of clipping coupons off of that initial fame.

The thing that made it possible was that he was content with his performance and never tried to one up himself. He kept hus fame and market interest in himself simmering over six decades inatead burning out in one bright flash.

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senthil_rajasek
1 hour ago
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Here is a fantastic farewell message that Seth Klarman wrote on Buffett's retirement for The Atlantic,

How Buffett did it?

https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/https://www.thea...

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abirch
58 minutes ago
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Buffett's Alpha: http://docs.lhpedersen.com/BuffettsAlpha.pdf

tldr; he was leveraged with good stocks

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kwanbix
1 hour ago
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I will never undertand this people that live all their life working, when they clearly have the chance to retire much sooner.

I will retire right away if I had 10 millions. Maybe 50 millions if I was younger than 40.

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RealityVoid
1 hour ago
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This is merely your failure to imagine it. Maybe they enjoy it, maybe they have a specific goal they want to achieve, have some sort of obsession, maybe they feel duty to all the people they lead and relie on them, think they are making the world better so they feel compelled to continue working, are mad with power and enjoy lording over other people. There are many many reasons why one would work after being financially secure, and they're all equally valid as a personal motivator.

And, anyways, I think you say this now, but if you were to get those 10 millions you would probably change your tune. A lot of people would find some other project to dedicate their energy. Especially the kind of people that make stuff happen.

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lumost
7 minutes ago
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It can also be as simple as finding meaning in the habit of work and the growth which may come with it. Nihilism and hedonism wear thin after a short while.
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jimnotgym
48 minutes ago
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> sort of obsession

That doesn't sound very positive to me. Perhaps OP has a point

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whateverboat
17 minutes ago
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I am one of the person who, if they got 40 mil USD tomorrow, would just work much harder on stuff I like to work on (which is making open source software sustainable in robotics), because I would have to spend less time have to take care about the economics of daily life. I could get a chef to cook me personalized healthy meals. I could have a mini-gym at home (which is not that expensive to be honest).

but I could get a home near a major airport like 10 mins from SFO, and so with working out and eating consuming 4 hours and sleeping 6 hours a day and 2 hour of spouse time. I legit have 12 hours a day to work everyday. I could easily do that in a sustainable manner 6 days a week, and spending Sunday relaxing by helping out in my parent's farm and then relaxing in the evening before going back to work next week.

Seems like an ideal life for me. The only difference from today is the extra 3 hours I spend in traffic and an average 1 hour daily in running errands. And extra work on Saturday like fetching groceries, looking after my home, fixing stuff etc.

If I get money, I could save that 4 hour of my life and dedicate it to working on something I really like.

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RealityVoid
45 minutes ago
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It's one out of a sea of options. Of course, not all are good and healthy. But some are.
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danielmarkbruce
38 minutes ago
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He sat around talking to people, reading, betting on stocks/financial markets, playing games and occasionally buying a business.... that is many people's dream retirement.
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andrewaylett
12 minutes ago
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I would probably be Software Engineering even if my employer didn't pay me to. As evidence, note that it's new year's eve and I'm writing patches (and waiting for tests) during my holidays for someone else's FOSS project I'm contributing to :).

I my employer didn't pay me, I'd stop working on their projects. But in the meantime, I enjoy my profession (at least most of the time) and get paid. If I had enough money then I'd stop working on what my management wants and work on stuff that I want to work on. And I have to imagine that at this point, Buffet is also doing whatever he wants to.

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axiolite
31 minutes ago
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Work life is quite a lot different for a working-stiff than it is for a CEO. In large part, their company is an extension of themselves. Work whatever hours you want to. Private plane to take you wherever you want to go for free, if you can come up with a work-related excuse to go there (with no need to justify not coming back for weeks). Multiple folks acting more-or-less as your personal assistants. An office bigger than your house, filled with anything you want in it, on the company's dime. A big pool of cash you can order the company to throw at whatever interests you. etc.
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Refreeze5224
17 minutes ago
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Based on this description, you could say that what the CEO does in no way resembles what real work looks like for 90% of the population. Which I think is true. It's a pity they make so much more than people who do actual work.
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osigurdson
25 minutes ago
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I doubt he cares that much about the company paying for things. Once you hit 10B+, all of that stuff is just noise.
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satvikpendem
1 hour ago
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Their work is their enjoyment. Buffett would've been investing even in "retirement," so to him, work and retirement are functionally the same.
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Cheezmeister
23 minutes ago
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This.

The work/retirement dichotomy is such a weird and peculiar artifact of the 1950s US middle-class nuclear-family milieu.

That's gone.

For the rest of us, it's just...live your life, until you don't.

(viz. Below the fold: "Buffett remains as chair...")

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H8crilA
47 minutes ago
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Can you imagine reading and researching the world on your retirement? Because that's what people like him do, except they mainly focus on 10-K statements. Those are genuinely interesting to read once you learn to skip boilerplate and go for the content.
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tobyjsullivan
23 minutes ago
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He also seems to talk to a lot of people, and he has access to pretty much anyone given his stature. Imagine being passionate about business and then being able to spend every day talking to people about their businesses and their thoughts on business. I'm surprised he retired at all!
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wyldfire
8 minutes ago
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For a lucky few of us, our job is something we might do unpaid if we had our needs addressed already. It's fun!

I like travel, I like relaxing at home. But I don't know if it's what I'd want to do all the time. I like having some pull, driving me towards a greater goal.

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ronnier
33 minutes ago
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I'm at that point now, debating when I'll retire. We only live once and I'm not sure if I should continue working. I've reached financial freedom at a pretty young age. It's a daily debate in my mind when to call it quits, but I've never not worked and it's difficult to make the change. What I'm missing in life is time and that's what work takes from me and is the driving force behind my desire to retire -- time to do other things in life.
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deadbabe
32 minutes ago
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If you don’t have family or kids do not stop working.
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ronnier
17 minutes ago
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I have a wife and two kids. That's one reason I still work (it's probably not a good example for the kids to see a father not working)
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xur17
25 minutes ago
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More broadly, I'd say if you don't have something to retire to (kids or otherwise), don't.
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deadbabe
23 minutes ago
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Yup, that’s how you end up dead very quickly.
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sharts
9 minutes ago
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It provides purpose. Many people who retire early after doing all the random stuff they thought would be cool would likely find themselves isolated and decaying without purpose.
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osigurdson
27 minutes ago
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Retiring simply means doing something else. For him, whatever that was must have been less fun.
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RHSeeger
17 minutes ago
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I like to say if I could retire today; I would do the same thing I do now, just without a boss telling me to do it. I love what I do.
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jimnotgym
46 minutes ago
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I agree with you. There are so many more worthwhile things to do than investing. I would also retire immediately with that kind of money and focus on creating real value in the world
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danielmarkbruce
31 minutes ago
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That's a very selfish take.

For folks with the ability to make truckloads of money and then give it away to good causes, that is going to be the best choice v trying to add value in the world to make themselves feel better.

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SunshineTheCat
26 minutes ago
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You don't need retirement-level money to create "real value in the world"...
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kortilla
24 minutes ago
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allocating capital well provides significant value to the world. His style of investing specifically meant not pouring money into hype stocks and instead investing in companies that have sustainable business models.
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65
27 minutes ago
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Have you ever considered that some people enjoy investing?

Imagine if I said "there are so many more worthwhile things to do than painting" if some famous artist retired.

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MaKey
37 minutes ago
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I totally get it. You need a purpose to be happy. If you enjoy your work and get a sense of fulfillment from it, why should you stop?
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kryptiskt
33 minutes ago
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I get the sense that he arranged things so that he didn't have to work all that hard, he didn't do any short-term trading requiring constant attention and his work was done at his portfolio companies as soon as they had management he trusted.
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nntwozz
32 minutes ago
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“Everything must end; meanwhile we must amuse ourselves.”

— Voltaire

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weinzierl
33 minutes ago
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When what you do depends on having power and you are above a certain level it's either up or down and out.
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nutjob2
32 minutes ago
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If you are really enjoying your life, why would you change it to something that you wouldn't enjoy?
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echelon
47 minutes ago
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We all die on the same order of magnitude.

We all have pleasure and suffering along the same couple of orders of magnitude.

In geological timespans, none of the fun you had will matter. Even a year from now, your memories are just wistful nostalgia (perhaps a psychological detriment!) And that's if your brain architecture is even set up to recall senses and events well (not everyone can).

My view is that the intellectual pursuit is more fulfilling than a world simulating traversal of novel experiences. Those neurons will turn to dust soon anyway, and it'll be like it never even happened. Why spend so much time fretting over it?

Spend time with family, but trying to rack up on restaurants and things and places and visits - meh, it's just simulation and squirts of neurotransmitters. Ephemeral. They leave no trace. It all fades to emptiness.

I'm not saying be completely stoic. But don't overdose on pleasure and thrill and novelty. Over indexing that way cuts down on impact.

Building never stops, even when you do. Laying a foundation shapes human behavior at scale. Leads to more shoulders being stood upon. Higher order effects.

Every single person I admire made an impact.

I'm not my genes that I was built from or the genes that I might pass down. I'm the ideas and deeds of a short life that hopefully left lasting impact and caused second order effects.

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antinomicus
33 minutes ago
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Hacker news moment. If you believe this, you are lost, but man. What a terrible take.

Build what? The next big ad serving platform? The next mass surveillance platform? New ways to squeeze money out of people? You’re right we all die so nothing matters, why would what you build matter more than the relationships you make, the good feelings you create? Build, but build art. Build something that will change peoples minds, make them feel good, make them want to change the world.

Do not conflate building something to make some guy richer, as just as or more important than spending time with family or creating true art.

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Yodel0914
2 minutes ago
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Not the GP but I don’t think they were talking about “building something to make some guy richer” - they was were talking about building a life and relationships that positively impact the people they care about.
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SilverElfin
4 minutes ago
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I always see fawning comments when it comes to Warren Buffet. I think people need to examine more closely what his portfolio companies do and how they’ve been successful. Some of them are genuinely positive stories. But in other places, the truth isn’t so pretty. Look up how rail workers are treated by BNSF, for example. Like many ultra wealthy people who are caught up in evaluating companies solely on financial grounds, Buffet ignores what the impact of his choices are. And let’s be real - there isn’t any “fair competition” in many parts of the American economy to fix these problems. The railways are especially problematic because the infrastructure they own creates monopolies in regions.
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pinkmuffinere
25 minutes ago
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A very good (IMO) explanation of Warren Buffets success here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9owVrLm7mls
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jimnotgym
52 minutes ago
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I read somewhere that Bershire Hathaway had sort of finished it's mission. 40 years ago there were lots of large companies who were very 'inefficient' and BH would come along, invest a lot, and start demanding changes. Company performance would improve and BH would make big $$$$.

Now there are few of these and it is hard to do.

I don't know enough to know whether it is right or wrong. but I think that is what I read.

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manquer
19 minutes ago
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Isn't that the model of every private equity? It was always hard to do well.

Although it doesn't seem that way, there are lot of companies that have become large recently, it is best time ever historically for companies to be able to grow large quickly much more so than 50 years ago in the early days of BH.

There are 1000+ unicorns today, about 50 of the fortune 500 are founded > 2000, a large number of companies that have chosen to remain private with revenues in excess of >$10B like Stripe or SpaceX etc

While it is true that lot of the action has been in sectors BH has never been comfortable holding large assets in such as SaaS, new fin-tech(i.e. crypto etc), or gig econ(Airbnb/Uber etc), social media(tiktok et al.) etc, that doesn't mean the principles are no longer needed or there aren't opportunities to take stake in these now mature companies and drive value.

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chrishare
25 minutes ago
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Well, many companies are still mispriced, but stock markets today look a lot more like voting machines than weighing machines - so it takes more time to be proven right (or wrong).
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WorkerBee28474
26 minutes ago
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Berkshire had a pivot where, decades back, Munger convinced Buffett to switch from investing in bad companies at a great price to good companies at a good price. Their new strategy is still active.

That said, the turnaround 'mission' you mention about still happens, but is more associated with private equity than Berkshire.

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abdelhousni
23 minutes ago
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Greeks had their Mythology with heroes and pseudo-Gods, we have oligarchs and pseudo-philantrops
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mothballed
1 hour ago
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I can't help but wonder if Buffett's dividend focused strategy will continue to be a successful approach in the future. Buffett is no slouch, but seems to have fallen behind relatively unsophisticated investors like Musk and Zuckerburg as time went on and they focused on valuation more than returns/profit.
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bayarearefugee
1 hour ago
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Buffet's strategy assumes a rational market, so I wouldn't expect it to work as well in an environment where stock market valuations are increasingly vibes-based and often wildly inflated by circumstances that should be illegal (like selling X to xAI to generate a voodoo valuation).

Arguably the entire market is heavily overvalued now, though, so while his strategies are probably no longer optimal, they'll probably continue to work out well enough at least until the next big correction.

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abirch
56 minutes ago
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“in the short run, the market is a voting machine… but in the long run, the market is a weighing machine.”

Ben Graham

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sporkxrocket
30 minutes ago
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It seems like something is broken since TSLA (for example) has been completely divorced from fundamentals since at least 2020. The richest man in the world has the vast majority of his net worth derived from vaporware and straight up fraud. Still wondering when the "weighing machine" kicks in.
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andrewaylett
9 minutes ago
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The market can remain irrational for longer than you can remain solvent.
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abirch
20 minutes ago
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Unfortunately it's expensive to short Tesla because Elon and Peter Thiel don't allow their shares to be shorted. Add to that, it's part of the S&P 500. It's going to take a while but I foresee a lot of red for TSLA. We'll see what happens but TSLA is already revising their target of cars sold in Q4
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bdangubic
8 minutes ago
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investors have stopped looking at TSLA as a car company awhile ago so car sales will hardly move the price (downward)
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jimnotgym
50 minutes ago
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Some people suggest this is a function of too much wealth centred in too few people, causing a high demand for assets. If that is true, maybe that is where we should focus?
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bayarearefugee
40 minutes ago
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Massive wealth inequality is certainly a factor, not just in this but the associated affordability situation being faced by the group of people whose wealth isn't being buoyed by the stock market.

But I don't know what we can do about it when government has been captured by people with vested interests in not fixing anything.

It feels like things have to get bad enough to get people to actually rise up. Not like, revolution or anything, but real protest (and enough political awakening to understand that they are being fed culture war bullshit to distract them from the class war they should be waging).

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themafia
1 hour ago
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> relatively unsophisticated investors like Musk and Zuckerburg

They're sophisticated government contractors. They've insulated themselves from the wiles of the market.

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BurningFrog
46 minutes ago
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Musk and Zuckerberg are primarily entrepreneurs, not investors.
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koakuma-chan
30 minutes ago
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I just asked ChatGPT what Warren Buffett's strategy is, and it said buying undervalued companies and holding for a long time. Is that true? I thought it's not a good idea to buy loser companies.
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reilly3000
27 minutes ago
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Undervalued, not underperforming. Companies that others overlook but have solid fundamentals and great strategy.
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ok123456
21 minutes ago
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He calls them "cigar butts." His analogy is that you collect enough of them, and you have a whole cigar.
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flkz
12 minutes ago
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If it's undervalued it should be worth more, no?
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koakuma-chan
11 minutes ago
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Is Intel undervalued? Should Intel be worth more? Intel is an example of a company that I had in mind.
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