Finland detains ship and its crew after critical undersea cable damaged
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by wslh
4 hours ago
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| cnn.com
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TulliusCicero
2 hours ago
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It's pretty obvious what's happening here.

The response needs to be forceful: seize and auction off the ships. There needs to be sufficient deterrent to actually stop this from happening.

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deepsun
1 hour ago
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Russia started convoying some of those vessels, especially with more advanced operation bases than cable cuts [1].

They won't be able to seize those without opening fire.

https://ioplus.nl/en/posts/how-seven-students-unmasked-russi...

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Sabinus
1 hour ago
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That's fine. Let Russia escort ships that then break cables. It'll make it more obvious it's deliberate, and provide a reason for blockade and confrontation.
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miohtama
56 minutes ago
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And then NATO will obliterate Russia's Baltic fleet before the sun rises.
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vasco
1 hour ago
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There's literal war ongoing already, no extra excuse is needed, only political will.
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alecthomas
1 hour ago
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That is...disturbing.
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mullingitover
2 hours ago
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> There needs to be sufficient deterrent to actually stop this from happening

One ship might be considered a reasonable pawn to sacrifice. I'd go further: require that any ships passing through the strait to be bonded at some eye-watering amount like 10x the price of the ship plus the repair costs of the cable. Make it so if the cable is cut, you make a profit.

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WA
51 minutes ago
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Only works if you find someone to pay. I listened to a lengthy (German) podcast about international maritime law. To sum it up: you can’t do that much, because you won’t find the responsible person/company/state.
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m4rtink
24 minutes ago
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Still I don't see an issue - basically you either pay the armed coast gard cutter that stands in your way or you don't go through the straight. If you don't cause any trouble, the other cutter on the other end will pay you back. No money, no transit - unless you really like being boarded.
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jopsen
29 minutes ago
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Most of the water isn't internal.. getting in and out of the baltic sea goes past Sweden/Denmark.

But we probably have promised not to blockade ships in some conventions. And little Denmark (or Sweden) do not benefit from setting a precedence that conventions can be broken.

Getting payback is easy though: support Ukraine.

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JumpCrisscross
27 minutes ago
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> (German) podcast about international maritime law

Russia isn’t even pretending to follow international maritime law. China hasn’t for a decade. And now America is being creative with its interpretations.

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bena
40 minutes ago
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The Outlaw Sea, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780865477223/theoutlawsea/ , is a book about all of the ways international water is essentially lawless.
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JumpCrisscross
29 minutes ago
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> pretty obvious what's happening here

Good start. Then turn off Russia’s cable that runs via Finland [1] and make vague threats about (a) seizing shadow-fleet vessels in the Baltics and (b) how vulnerable Russia’s cable to Kaliningrad [2] would be to careless anchors.

All the while: start setting up non-cable based back-up bandwidth for if Russia severs these cables in advance of invasion.

[1] https://www.submarinecablemap.com/submarine-cable/bcs-north-...

[2] https://www.submarinecablemap.com/submarine-cable/kingisepp-...

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belter
1 hour ago
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Russia has already carried out chemical attacks on UK soil, used radioactive poisoning in London, sabotaged rail infrastructure in Poland, and launched cyberattacks against German air traffic control.[1]

The Associated Press has documented 59 Russian hybrid operations across Europe. A systematic campaign of intimidation, sabotage, and violence: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-europe-hybrid-...

Russia supplied the Buk missile system that shot down MH17, killing 298 civilians, most of them Europeans. Putin eliminates political opponents, like Alexei Navalny, who died in custody days before a possible release.

European leaders may be passive and slow, but what is making the situation truly dangerous, is the dictator-jealousy fueled encouragement and indulgence of the current U.S. administration, and all its sycophants, which got to the point of publicly applauding a dictator on U.S. soil.

That behavior legitimizes aggression, emboldens Moscow, and directly undermines European security, and is making thinks really, really, sketchy right now.

Germany accuses Russia of air traffic control cyber-attack: [1] - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgrrnylzzyo

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derbOac
1 hour ago
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> what is making the situation truly dangerous, is the dictator-jealousy fueled encouragement and indulgence of the current U.S. administration, and all its sycophants, which got to the point of publicly applauding a dictator on U.S. soil.

I personally think there's a more direct link between the US administration and Russia, in line with the rest of your points. I think it's more than "dictator-jealousy fueled encouragement", although what that "more" is I'm not entirely sure, and I'm not sure the differences between the possibilities matters in the end.

I really think it's hard not to read [about] Foundations of Geopolitics and the history of Viktor Yanukovych, the ties between the latter and Trump, and not conclude Russia's tendrils in the US, England, and elsewhere are far deeper than is generally acknowledged in the press.

I lost a lot of trust in most media to cover this issue appropriately when people in the UK started mysteriously dying and zipping themselves in body bags, and the coverage was a collective shrug. Why they would report something like that and then with a straight face conclude an article with "police say there's no evidence of foul play" is beyond me. But then again how the Mueller investigation got spun as an exoneration is also beyond me as well.

I know it's often seen as dismissive or shallow to blame the media for things, but I really do place a huge proportion of the blame for our current mess, at least in the US, on news outlets and media soft-pedaling what's been happening for the last 10 years. A lot of what people trust became propaganda, and a lot of the rest of it chased that audience around for clicks.

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belter
37 minutes ago
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Those connections go back as far as 2016...

But does it matter? 77 million Americans knowingly voted a convicted felon and court adjudicated sexual assaulter back into the presidency instead of a jail cell. From those, about 40 million were women, fully aware that a jury found him liable for sexual assault, and that multiple judges affirmed the verdict.

The majority of Americans saw criminality, sexual violence, and contempt for the law and decided that was acceptable leadership. :-))

"Kushner Companies and Russian individuals exchanged suspicious money transfers at the height of the 2016 race, ex-Deutsche Bank employee says" - https://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-russia-2016-mo...

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MaxPock
1 hour ago
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Europe believes that Russia is doing all sorts of bad things and there's also the belief that Moscow plans to invade the EU .

Isn't the logical action for EU to launch massive pre-emptive strikes on this big bad country that hates the western way of life ?

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TulliusCicero
34 minutes ago
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> Isn't the logical action for EU to launch massive pre-emptive strikes

To be clear, strikes wouldn't be "pre-emptive", Russia is already in a war, and it's entirely allowed for any nation to join the side of Ukraine. None of the rules of war prevent helping a friendly country by joining the fight.

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belter
21 minutes ago
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"Europe thinks the unthinkable: Retaliating against Russia" - https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-thinks-the-unthinkabl...
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eptcyka
1 hour ago
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I don’t believe the leadership sees Russia as an existential threat in Brussels. Baltics and Poland see it differently.

A pre-emptive strike would be expensive and immediately retcon into making Putin be the good guy - he’s long said NATO is the aggressor. Best to make invading EU to be too expensive to be worth it.

I think the bigger risk currently that Europe faces is the low and mid level corruption where Russian agents extend their tendrils into government structures in EU.

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TheOtherHobbes
49 minutes ago
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This has already happened. Just as in the US, all of the far-right "movements" in the EU are Russian fronts.

The two biggest targets are the UK and France, because both have an independent nuclear deterrent. If those are captured by puppets, expect nuclear explosions over European capitals.

This is not hyperbole. Russian government insiders have made it absolutely, unambiguously clear that Europe must be "crushed."

As a direct quote.

The real tragedy is oligarch complicity. Oligarchs and aristocrats in the US, UK, and EU have decided they have more in common with their Russian counterparts than with the native populations of their respective countries.

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lugu
1 hour ago
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> making Putin be the good guy

Come on. Who cares what he pretend?

> Best to make invading EU to be too expensive to be worth it.

How do you propose to estimate how much it is worth doing it?

IMO, it is best is to make the kremlin government collapse by all mean necessary. Including sabotage, assassination, propaganda, confiscation, corruption/trahison. And preemptive strike if needs to be.

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TulliusCicero
35 minutes ago
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The logical thing to do is respond proportionally: if the ships are deliberately damaging property, seize the ships, and imprison the offenders.
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kspacewalk2
1 hour ago
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It's not about "hating the western way of life" or any such silliness. They can hate whatever they want within their internationally recognized borders.

War is best prevented by robust deterrents. When it comes to belligerent fascist regimes who want to see how far you can be pushed, not responding to provocations and aggression forcefully makes larger-scale war more likely in the future.

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luke5441
1 hour ago
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We have functional democracies here. You'd have to convince the population this is the right course of action and then the politicians will do it.

Good luck with that, though.

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ForHackernews
1 hour ago
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No, pre-emptively starting another war is not a good idea. But yes, the West should work hard to make sure their enemy loses the war it has already started.
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belter
1 hour ago
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> Isn't the logical action for EU to launch massive pre-emptive strikes on this big bad country that hates the western way of life ?

Depending on the days, the priority changes, between Russia or attacking the US first, maybe with the help from Canada :-))

You have to deal with one threat at a time, and it seems the fight against chlorinated chicken will take priority for now... :-)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/12/17/trump-demands...

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2OEH8eoCRo0
2 hours ago
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It's geopolitical. They don't care if you seize the ships because they don't care about a return on investment.
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raverbashing
2 hours ago
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Good, another reason to seize them
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KumaBear
2 hours ago
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Even better life in prison for all on board. (This is extreme but I bet you that they'd think twice)
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2OEH8eoCRo0
2 hours ago
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That's not extreme. They destroyed a piece of expensive critical infrastructure. Prison and seizure should be the bare minimum. I just mean it's not enough to prevent it in the future.
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Animats
2 hours ago
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That narrow passage is becoming a war zone. Look at a map. It's one of Russia's few outlets to the sea. Look at the history of Russia vs. Finland and Russia vs. Estonia. This is one of the world's most hostile choke points.
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jacquesm
2 hours ago
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That or the Suwalki gap. They're both flashpoints.
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rwyinuse
1 hour ago
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Yep, if Russia wants to expand its conflict against Europe, Narva in Estonia is most likely place for it. Over 90% of its population is ethnic Russian, and it's located right next to the Russian border. It's the perfect place to send some armed "separatists" to see how NATO responds.

My bet is that it'll happen sometime between 2029-2035, after UK, France and Germany have had their general elections, where populist parties with more pro-Russian stances are likely to gain power.

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Zanfa
1 hour ago
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> Yep, if Russia wants to expand its conflict against Europe, Narva in Estonia is most likely place for it. Over 90% of its population is ethnic Russian, and it's located right next to the Russian border. It's the perfect place to send some armed "separatists" to see how NATO responds.

Fortunately while close, the border runs along a fairly wide river with just a single bridge across, so logistically somewhat complicated to supply with heavy equipment from the Russian side. At least covertly.

But definitely a scenario that needs to be considered.

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jacquesm
1 hour ago
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Narva is a bad spot, from there it would be a long trek South. Doing it just North of the Polish town of Suwalki would allow a pincer movement that cuts off 3 EU countries in one go from a land bridge. That's also why it is right now one of the heaviest militarized zones in Europe.

Narva is much less interesting in that sense.

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scoofy
49 minutes ago
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I honestly don't know much about warfare, but that seems like a pretty insane move to me.

First, it assumes the people of Belarus is willing to start a war with NATO and it's very grumpy neighbor to the south. There isn't a world in which the Suwałki gap it cut off without strikes and an invasion of Belarus. Lukashenko might want it, but given the last "election" there will likely be a 5th, 6th, and 7th column waiting for guns to be carried over the border from Poland and Ukraine.

Second, while Kaliningrad might be defensible (though I doubt that), the Baltic Sea is not. Sweden, Denmark, and Germany will shut down any ships entering and leaving the Baltic. Ukraine and Turkey cut off the Black Sea, and the Russian fleet is left in Murmansk (which is likely immediately destroyed), and Vladivostok... which as a single port as mostly useless, and can be mostly cut off in the Sea of Japan.

I just really don't see a way that Russia takes any NATO territory without the entire thing being a psyop against NATO not responding via far-right isolationists, and we're not there yet, or as an assist to help China take Taiwan, which likely means world war, and we're all fucked.

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jacquesm
32 minutes ago
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Invading Ukraine was also a pretty insane move, if insanity is a pre-requisite then that makes it more likely, not less...
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voidfunc
23 minutes ago
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> I just really don't see a way that Russia takes any NATO territory without the entire thing being a psyop against NATO not responding via far-right isolationists, and we're not there yet, or as an assist to help China take Taiwan, which likely means world war, and we're all fucked.

I mean that's really the setup.

1. Get America to move towards a more isolationist setup / unwilling to help Europe or Taiwan. This is already in motion politically and via social media operations.

2. Get America stuck in a conflict with Iran. This is ramping up.

3. China takes Taiwan. Probably in the next 2-5 years.

4. Russia takes the Baltics and starts to carve further into Europe.

My further total crackpot theory on all of this is that most of this has been agreed upon by all the major powers involved.

1. Russia gets to claim over Europe in the future.

2. China gets Taiwan and control of Africa + APAC.

3. US gets control of North America and South America. This culminates in the annexation of Greenland once Russia takes Europe. This is the agreed upon transaction for America to back out of Russo-European affairs and China-Taiwan affairs. Canada and Mexico eventually are also merged into the US unwillingly but without any major allies left there isn't much to prevent it.

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mamonster
30 minutes ago
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>First, it assumes the people of Belarus is willing to start a war with NATO

I think there is a more than 50% chance that Belarus is reintegrated in some form into Russia within this century. It's very clear that there is no plan for sovereignty post-Lukashenko and all of the opposition(like in Russia) has been exiled(so powerless). This is probably the 2nd biggest miss of EU foreign policy in the 21st century after Ukraine, they basically put Lukashenko in the same basket as Putin even though up until 2020 he did everything he could to maintain his sovereignty and got hit with horrible sanctions. But IMO it's too late now.

>Second, while Kaliningrad might be defensible (though I doubt that)

Russian military doctrine is kind of nebulous, but the one thing it is extremely clear on is that Kaliningrad will be defended using nuclear weapons. Exactly because it's basically not defensible using conventional means.

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scoofy
18 minutes ago
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The point is you don't have to attack Kaliningrad. A siege trivially collapses the place. The place is wildly vulnerable on all sides despite the short distance to Belarus. This isn't a "the Kerch Bridge is outside of missle range" situation. Literally every way in and out of the enclave can be exploded on a daily basis, even without striking the enclave itself.

So if the idea is to invade the Baltics, but "not allow an invasion of Kaliningrad, without nuclear retaliation"... well then we've going to have a nuclear war and everyone loses, simply because you can't retake the Baltics without Kaliningrad, and NATO isn't going to allow the Baltics to be lost.

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TheOtherHobbes
43 minutes ago
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Svalbard is another possible obvious target. It has a Russian population, is quite some distance from the mainland, and is essentially undefended.

It would be easy to set up a Russian military presence, and it would be hard to dislodge it from a distance without considerable effort and expense.

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deliciousturkey
1 hour ago
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The fact that this area where the incident happened, Gulf of Finland, is not fully part Finnish/Estonian territorial waters, is only because of a bilateral Finnish-Estonian agreement. This was done in the 1990's purely for benevolence towards Russia.

Russia clearly hasn't acted in such way that they should enjoy these kinds of acts of benevolence. Finland and Estonia should seriously consider retreating from this agreement.

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fn-mote
3 hours ago
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With 10 undersea cables damaged in the Baltic 2023-2025, it’s obvious a different part of the government needs to become involved. Acting for your national security doesn’t need to (shouldn’t) mean there is no trial.
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internet2000
2 hours ago
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Don't even need to click to know it's the Russians.
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nomel
1 hour ago
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I assumed it was China. They both enjoy this activity.
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ronsor
44 minutes ago
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Yeah, but it's a bit far away for China. They prefer harassing their closer neighbors.
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amiga386
2 hours ago
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Every single ship in/out of St Petersburg goes via the Gulf of Finland. All those ships will be "Russian" (have stopped in Russia). It doesn't mean they're "Russian". Owner, charterer, flag, crew can all have very different nationalities.

Which part or combination makes them "Russian", in the sense of "the Russian state asked asked the ship to harm Finnish infrastructure, and they actually did it"?

You can lazily speculate about the aggressive, warmaking nation (that illegally annexed Crimea, is currently at war with Ukraine, is regularly sending submarines, ships, drones, jets into the territories of its neighbours) all you like... but if you want to be able to prosecute them, you need to be able to show evidence of the Russian state ordering this action, and that the cable damage was actually caused by that ship. Where is your evidence?

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javier2
2 hours ago
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The crew on these ships are usually all Russians, the ship is often registered in Cayman, Panama or somewhere else. These ships often sail under a third nationality, but when the ships are seized, only complaints are filed from Russian lawyers. Take from that what you will.
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kelnos
2 hours ago
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This is the court of public opinion, not a court or law. For better or worse, evidentiary standards are much lower.
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nubg
2 hours ago
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Sorry but in times of war, the regular "proof beyond reasonable doubt" cannot apply anymore, or you lose said war.
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amiga386
1 hour ago
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If you're at war then declare war. You get sweeping powers to deal with existential threats. Go ahead and declare your country is at war. Is it?

If you declare war without there being a bona fide casus belli, you'll be whisked out of power so fast your head will spin. See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_Korean_martial_law_...

If you don't declare war, you don't get those emergency powers. You only get peacetime powers.

Russia loves to go right up to the line, and then cross it a little bit, just to antagonise you. But unless you're willing to be the instigator of WW3, you'll stick to peacetime powers and peacetime courts with peacetime standards of evidence

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kspacewalk2
1 hour ago
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>But unless you're willing to be the instigator of WW3, you'll stick to peacetime powers and peacetime courts with peacetime standards of evidence

Clearly this will need to change somewhat, if the other side wants to engage in hybrid war tactics. Nothing new, Cold War was a thing.

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nubg
1 hour ago
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But what if the other side - Russia - does wartime tactics without having formally declared war with NATO? Why do they get to keep this privilege?
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amiga386
44 minutes ago
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Because they're an authoritarian shithole with a strongman leader who openly murders dissenters, personally controls all branches of government, controls the military and has people arrested just for holding up blank sheets of paper. He can pretend the country is not at war when it clearly is, and suffer no consequence, because nobody can replace him or even censure him without the country completely collapsing. When he eventually dies, the ensuing power vacuum will make the entire country a basket case. It's a dead country walking.

Do you want to make your country such a nightmare country, so you can also cheat like they do?

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Fairburn
1 hour ago
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Lock em up, sell thier property. Rinse and repeat.
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reaperducer
1 hour ago
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Lock em up, sell thier property. Rinse and repeat.

Works for small and medium-sized private companies. Doesn't work for major nations like Russia.

Doing as you suggest is like writing parking tickets for delivery trucks. They don't care. It's just a cost of doing business.

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HelloUsername
2 hours ago
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greesil
1 hour ago
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Mine the Gulf of Finland, problem solved. This may create other problems but hey Finland is part of NATO now.
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iambateman
1 hour ago
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Assuming it is state-sponsored sabotage…why? Whats the outcome they want? Is it just turning up the heat in the region?
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jopsen
25 minutes ago
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Scaring people, distraction, etc.

In the grand scheme, repairing the cables and supporting Ukraine will cost less and hurt Russia more than escalating tentions in the Baltic sea.

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everfrustrated
25 minutes ago
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They want to test how quickly the cables get repaired and what vessels do the repairs etc.
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fennecbutt
50 minutes ago
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Just like Trump's tariff bs, I'm starting to think that for Putin's M.O. that we should be fighting fire with fire.

Why not send a couple ships to drag anchors across Russia's cables? "Oh we are but innocent fishermen" is still valid going the other way.

Then when Russia inevitably seizes and imprisons the crew, the international community can do the same for every Russian controlled ship with the bare minimum of suspicion.

Would be a pretty sucky mission though, so many risks of capture. But the Russian government does it because they don't care about their people and also the rest of the world is too toothless to do anything about it (until this occurrence at least, go Finland - but then they know Russia's tactics very well).

Russia has been doing a "stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself" to the world for too long, abusing the "nice" way we desperately try to see things, pretending even when it's obvious. Like they'll do something egregious and then when the West calls them out, suddenly their political mouthpieces are all "we can't believe that the West is making this shocking and provocative accusation which is of course completely false, EU are bullies!" and then the world responds by taking a step back, pretty much every single time.

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lysace
2 hours ago
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Two other cable cuts/"damages" happened around the same dates. Two separate Arelion-owned cables between Sweden/Estonia and Finland/Estonia.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/JOow58/kabelbrott-mella... (Swedish)

[...] two of their submarine cables – one between Sweden and Estonia and one between Estonia and Finland – have been damaged. The first cable was damaged on December 30th and the second on December 31st.

(Arelion is AS1299/formerly known as Telia Carrier. The name change happened because it's now owned by a Swedish government-managed infrastructure-focused pension fund.)

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shmerl
3 hours ago
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There needs to be a blockade for these rogue ships. That's the only thing they'll understand, short of being sunk.
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TulliusCicero
2 hours ago
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Just seize the ships and auction them off. Damaging one cable isn't gonna be worth losing a whole ship, generally speaking.
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lawlessone
2 hours ago
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Given the state some of these ships are starting to be in they might just be worth scrap..
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bluGill
1 hour ago
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Often the cost to scrap a ship exceedes the value of the raw materials. Depends the ship as well but things like asbestos can drive costs up
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neuroelectron
3 hours ago
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It sounds like the court will just throw it out again as not having jurisdiction over the case.
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huhhuh
2 hours ago
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The court threw out the previous case since there was no proof of sabotage. I understood the court ruled that they have no jurisdiction over accident cases under international law.

As far as I understand, it is totally different case if they find any proof of intent.

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stefan_
2 hours ago
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I don't understand how we arrived at letting "random nation crew drags their anchor making the boat extremely slow and loud and breaks $100M+ critical infrastructure" get off scot free including their boat but it clearly can't continue to go on. If not a court then government must step in, nothing less is acceptable to any voting person.
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wtcactus
3 hours ago
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Then countries should be able to bomb these ships and go unpunished as well.

That would pass the right message if courts keep refusing to make things right.

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rwyinuse
2 hours ago
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Sinking the ships and then denying knowing anything about it would probably be the best course of action. That's what Russians would do, if the roles were reversed.

Unfortunately too many Western leaders still think that it's possible to negotiate in good faith with Russians. In reality they respect only force, and see European rules based order and "fair play" as weakness. If Baltic states didn't belong to NATO and Finland didn't have such a big army, Russians would be already doing a lot worse things than cutting cables.

Over here in Finland, even during the "good" years between collapse of the Soviet Union and invasion of Crimea, Russian businessmen kept buying property that made absolutely no economic sense, but was located next to critical infrastructure. Better relations between West and Russia were largely an illusion, especially since Putin took over.

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jopsen
22 minutes ago
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We should just silently turn up support for Ukraine, that's where it hurts. Everything else is a distraction.
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shtzvhdx
2 hours ago
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"Sinking the ships and then denying knowing anything about it would probably be the best course of action. That's what Russians would do, if the roles were reversed."

You mean like NATO did off the coast of Spain a year ago?

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rwyinuse
2 hours ago
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I didn't remember that case, very interesting. But yes, silently torpedoing a Russian ship transporting military technology to another hostile rogue state is exactly what NATO should be doing.
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shtzvhdx
1 hour ago
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Did I miss NATO declaring war on Russia and N. Korea? Or are we OK with the Chinese silently torpedoing the next batch of military equipment to Taiwan (a rouge province under intl law)?

Your argument, taken to its limit, is might makes right. Which, fine; but we're just not that strong anymore. Certainly not the EUpeeans.

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purerandomness
1 hour ago
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What's the point of declaring war in a war?

Russia invaded Ukraine just fine without ever declaring war.

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shtzvhdx
45 minutes ago
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As long as the EUpeans don't drag me, my loved ones, or my taxes into a war with Russia I couldn't care less if any this is declared or not nor do I care if they torpedo Russian ships.

However, I also couldn't care less if the Russians Oreshniks Liverpool or Marseille.

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nubg
2 hours ago
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Link?
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villaaston1
1 hour ago
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immibis
2 hours ago
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They can. They don't want to yet. Europe always assumes too much good faith on the part of other countries.
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rjsw
2 hours ago
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The countries that the ships are registered in are not going to do anything if they are seized and scrapped.
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csmpltn
3 hours ago
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It honestly starts to sound like they just botched the design and placement of these cables - placing them in shallow and exposed passages, with no proper defense against dragged anchors.
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r2_pilot
2 hours ago
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Real shades of "that cable shouldn't have been dressed like that, in a dark and narrow channel, clearly marked on navigation charts(to mitigate exactly this scenario, from good captains at least)" energy.
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karmakurtisaani
2 hours ago
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If only they had had you in the design team back then when the cables were put in place.

I'm sorry I have no snark-free way to respond to this.

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helsinkiandrew
2 hours ago
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Unfortunately the Baltic is pretty shallow and fairly featureless - the gulf of Finland - between Finland, Estonia, and Russia averages 38 metres deep
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TulliusCicero
2 hours ago
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Yeah, why don't they lower the floor of the entire Baltic Sea??
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mmh0000
2 hours ago
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Obviously, you're joking.

But how hard could it be to get a Cat 395 excavator in there? Dig a little trench and bury it.

Sounds like a weekend project to me. Has someone told the telecoms this?

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karmakurtisaani
1 hour ago
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I think they could just drag a suitable hook behind a ship to carve out decent trench.

Geez, how are we so much better at this than the actual engineers?

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