Clicks Communicator
237 points
6 hours ago
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| clicksphone.com
| HN
SkyPuncher
5 hours ago
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I had the Unihertz Titan for a while . It was a fun experiment, but I ultimately found it too annoying for continued daily use

First, typing was actually slower and more error prone. Even nearly a year into owning it, I was constantly misclicking and spending loads of time correcting myself.

Second, you loose a ton of navigate functionality with the hardware keyboards. Holding space to navigate between characters is gone. Emojis are gone. GIF keyboards are gone.

Third, none of the apps are built for this aspect ratio or screen size. Often this is just an annoyance - but there are times this became an actual, legitimate blocker. Items would be laid out off screen in a way that you couldn’t access them. The solution: a scaled view where everything was ridiculously tiny.

Three B: too many situations where the virtual keyboard would come up and you’d literally have the entire screen covered.

I didn’t realize how much value I lose with these issues until I experienced them. Every thing you’ve relied on essentially become unreliable because you might not be able to use certain functionality.

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jeroenhd
2 hours ago
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I have the Titan 2 and I find that with the right software, these problems aren't as bad in the new release. The typing itself is a personal preference, of course; the keyboard needs to happen to be the right size for your hands or you're going to have a bad time. For navigating between characters, there's an excellent open source keyboard (https://github.com/palsoftware/pastiera) that provides a lot of features normally present in a soft keyboard that Unihertz didn't include in their keyboard. I switch between that and Swiftkey, though Swiftkey likes to open a full soft keyboard interface for no reason no matter how many ways I try to disable it.

The aspect ratio/screen size issue is annoying, but I find that a combination of the screen lock setting (for annoying apps that rotate the screen when they go "full screen") combined with scrolling using the capacitive keyboard works just fine without blocking the entire screen.

The one problem I have with the phone, and the reason I'm not dailying it, is that Unihertz is notoriously bad at providing software updates. I'm not too impressed with the Clicks phone either on that front, though at least they're beating Unihertz:

> Communicator will run Android 16. We’re comfortable committing to 2 years of Android updates and 5 years of security updates.

The clicks launcher looks pretty slick, though. I'll definitely try to run that on my Titan 2 when the APK eventually gets dumped.

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wowczarek
3 hours ago
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As for the typing itself, just curious, were you a Blackberry user in the past? I was for 15+ years, but I've never used a Unihertz. But my typing experience was always running circles around every poor soul with a touch keyboard.

As to the rest - I owned one of every model of BlackBerry's Android PKB phones and none of this was an issue, so I'd say a lot of it may be Unihertz's execution. Losing navigation functionality with a PKB? That's shocking, you should have _gained_ advantage rather than lost anything.

Makes me almost happy I haven't gone for a Unihertz when my last Key2 croaked.

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SkyPuncher
1 hour ago
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Yes, I was. I had a physical-keyboard phone for as long as I reasonably could.

What I realized is modern soft-keyboards are actually exceptionally good handling slight miss-clicks. I stopped worrying about hitting the key exactly and just punched it close enough. Auto-correct seems able to figure out that 5% off of a key should be weighed as that key being hit and gets the word right.

With a hard keyboard, I'd just end up with total garbage sometimes.

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rchaud
2 hours ago
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Not the person you're replying to, but I was a big BB user in the 2000s and had the Blackberry Passport briefly in 2015 to test its Android app compatibility (it was pretty damn compatible!).

What I discovered was that the best BB keyboards for error-free typing were the curved 4-row keyboards on the Bold 9000, 9700 and 9900. The Passport kb was flat, rectangular and only had 3 rows over a very wide layout and placed at the very bottom of the phone, making it cramped to type on. I love the idea of keyboard phones but only BB of yore did it right.

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awinter-py
44 minutes ago
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miss the bold 9000 so much

it sounds like there is a slow and steady open source community around either replacement q20 keyboards, or a reverse-engineered one? https://hackaday.com/2025/06/04/the-blackberry-keyboard-how-...

and the beepy, which runs linux and for some reason has the keyboard blurred out on its homepage https://beepy.sqfmi.com/

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hasperdi
4 hours ago
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I have the Titan slim, and my experience is similar to what you described. I think most of the bad experience is caused by Unihertz half competent implementation.

Phones with hardware keyboard like this requires a good keyboard companion app, which Unihertz doesn't have.

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afandian
3 hours ago
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I had a Motorola Dext, HTC Desire Z, Blackberry Passport, Blackberry KeyOne, and Titan Pocket. And Gemini PDA.

The Passport was pretty much perfect, and I've not loved a phone as much before or since.

ISTR Unihertz had to make some significant UX tradeoffs to avoid a Blackberry patent infringement (how else do you explain that shift key). I also found it tiresome to use.

And the screen was square, which many websites didn't like. And high resolution and small, which made it fiddly to use.

I don't know if I'll get the Clicks Communicator. Mostly because looking at the above list, I'd have to admit that I have a phone problem...

(I also have another phone problem, which is that I can't seem to type anything accurately on my iPhone keyboard. Solidarity with hardware-keyboard-users.)

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backscratches
3 hours ago
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This one says the keyboard is touch sensitive, like the old android blackberries, so you can still do some swipe gestures
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savolai
3 hours ago
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It’s funny we have gone full circle. I still miss the nokias and bbs for being able to just write without typoing all the time and without the cognitivr load thay comes wiyh foxinh typos ally yeh time. Authentic samplr.
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lanyard-textile
2 hours ago
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Holding the spacebar down... I never knew about this... are there any other Apple keyboard secrets?
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phreeza
3 hours ago
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Holy shit I just learned about using space to navigate between characters. That's amazing, thanks.
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jez
5 minutes ago
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If you tap and hold a second thumb after you’ve tapped and held to bring up the moveable cursor, it switches to a selection range.
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cocomutator
2 hours ago
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My life just changed forever too...
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paxys
4 hours ago
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Seems like they have a good idea for a phone and want to fund the development using "pre-orders" (aka a Kickstarter). I went through the website and all the marketing and watched the launch video to find out how this thing works, but all I see is the same rendered home screen and lots of promises. Even in the video they show plenty of models of the phone lying around but not a single shot of one turned on and working.

I really do hope they succeed, and will definitely buy one if it turns out to be a viable product, but not before that.

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jaustin
2 hours ago
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I have a Clicks Keyboard and love it. As far as I can tell the team behind the Clicks are pretty intertwined with https://www.fxtec.com/ - in that FX Tech staff seem to be involved in Clicks support, etc.

The Clicks Keyboard for iPhone (14) was a great concept, and pretty well executed for a V1 - I haven’t tried their follow-up devices.

But assuming it’s the same team, there’s a history of shipping devices behind them.

(That isn’t to encourage you to pre-order! Just to perhaps contribute some more optimism to your hope that they succeed)

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xp84
3 hours ago
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Indeed. I am highly skeptical of kickstarters (and their ilk) outside of a small subset which is mainly forms of art. Art is something you ought to know for sure if you can achieve it before launching your kickstarter. (And even if the album/photo book/whatever doesn't turn out exactly how you imagined it, you can still give the backers some art of equivalent value.)

Electronics are the exact opposite. Coming up with an idea and getting some renders done is at least 1,000x easier than the remaining work from idea to shipping 10,000 units, therefore it's reasonable to expect that at least 90% of kickstarters for such products will fail to deliver, leaving backers holding the bag, since all our money has been spent already on the failed attempts.

Furthermore, I tend to think that if, due to some combination of their existing reputation + the amount of the work they've already completely finished, the project were a safe bet, then they'd be able to get investors to front them any further needed startup funds the normal way.

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mbreese
3 hours ago
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Because of their existing product lines, I look at this more like marketing or market research. I'm pretty confident that this will actually be made. For one, the company actually has experience making and selling devices. This is a bit more ambitious than an accessory keyboard, but it's at least experience making something. Second, the pre-order reservation is about half of the full pre-order price. Unlike most Kickstarters where you have to front 100% of the money.

At some point, Kickstarter (et al) campaigns switch from high-risk speculative products to marketing pitches (get in early!). I think this is one of the later. You're right that they could probably have (or have already) funded the product development themselves. I think this pitch is trying to build a market early in the year before potential competitor products are announced.

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hasperdi
2 hours ago
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looking at this https://youtu.be/u7Uz1YZ5hQA?t=309&si=LvSzi7vXmUCJ2LY3 I think they're in mocking/prototyping phase at the moment.
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kh_hk
3 hours ago
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My recommendation for someone considering a minimalist / dumbphone / detox / whatever is to avoid expensive products that over-promise their utility. There's no middle ground, it's either usable or it is not, so any in between will just become e-waste eventually.

The alternative I went with, and which I recommend, is getting both a smartphone and a nokia shitphone (no internet). Then ask the carrier for a sim duplicate. These exist, and are in fact a new number that redirects to your number. Use and carry whichever you want, knowing that calls will all go to both phones.

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mawax
2 hours ago
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Did not know these existed. Just ordered a duo sim from my carrier, thanks!
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Void_
2 hours ago
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I just keep my iPhone locked up.

You can go to Screen Time and disable Safari and App Store.

You can protect it with a passcode, which is what I did.

After a few weeks I just got used to my phone being dumb.

Now these apps are unlocked, but the habit is there, and I use it for utility only.

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zx8080
7 minutes ago
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It ships to Australia and NZ but not to Singapore or Japan. Care to say why?
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class3shock
3 hours ago
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The Communicator is interesting but why are they marketing this as a "second" phone? I can see buying this as a primary but who is really looking for a phone they carry specifically as a backup for when they want a keyboard?
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mbel
31 minutes ago
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The primary use case that I can see is following: you use your second phone — the communicator — to chat, while watching endless stream of tiktoks/reels/shorts on the first one.
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UpstairsEmpire
31 minutes ago
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At 3:45 in the launch video they give their "reasoning" saying "companion devices are on the rise" like using a smart watch and a smart ring (who does this?), or a tablet and a phone.

But... Two phones?

Everyone I've ever known with two phones has been embarassed to have to have the second one.

It's DOA.

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growt
2 hours ago
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If you’re aiming for the second phone market you don’t have to beat the iPhone. Probably the easier pitch.
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philistine
2 hours ago
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A second phone market has never been a thing. History is filled with failed attempts.

They should focus on the largest potential market: parents who buy a phone like this to text with their kids without allowing them to have a completely internet connected phone.

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growt
1 hour ago
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From my experience as a parent, that market is also very small, because the time between “child is old enough to text and be away from parents for long enough” to “child wants to have a real phone” is not that long.
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thrtythreeforty
4 hours ago
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Beautiful hardware. If they'd commit to GrapheneOS's hardware requirements https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices, I'd preorder... I'm stuck on Pixels because Graphene is so nice.
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UpstairsEmpire
30 minutes ago
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I mean, is it beautiful though?

Also, who cares if it's beautiful.

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beeflet
22 minutes ago
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the beauty of machines is case-deep
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backscratches
3 hours ago
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Seconded. Graphene has spoiled me. Here's to hoping graphene's future collaboration with an OEM results in a small physical keyboard device! Not holding my breath, and will choose graphene over any other feature.
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rchaud
2 hours ago
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If they really wanted this to be about "doing", they'd give the USB-C port display out capability and let it be used with an external display, like Samsung does with DeX. Android phones with a lapdock and desktop UI are almost indistinguishable from a laptop.
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chabad360
3 hours ago
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This is very exciting to me, I have been reluctant to upgrade from my Pixel 4a because I've been looking for a small form factor phone, and those seem to have gone extinct. Now here comes a product that both provides a small form factor, and even better, is aimed at reducing distractions and provides features to that effect.

It's running regular Android with a custom version of Niagara launcher (which it seems I need to try), and seems like it's a product built by people who want to use it. Which makes me hopeful that a lot of care was put into designing it. It seems like they're aiming it towards people that want a second device for work, which -in my mind- means there might be some compromises, so I'll be waiting for reviews to decide if it can hold up as a daily driver or not.

It should be noted, they claim that the keyboard is touch sensitive and can be used for scrolling, so it might actually solve some of the usability issues that immediately come to mind.

TBH, I'm a little surprised by all the hate. This might not be a product for you, or it might not speak to you for other reasons. The fact is that this company has seen success with their phone cases (I don't get it either), and has now announced two new products that should reach more of the market (the other is a magsafe slide out keyboard, it's very cool). If you don't like it, fair enough, but that doesn't mean it's a bad product.

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pmarsh
5 hours ago
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This is looking great, hope the camera can at least produce decent photos. So many other phones with a QEWRTY keyboard just have awful cameras.

The Razr 2024/25 + the clicks keyboard is probably the "best" so far. Although I just got a Zinwa Q25. Amazing how good that formfactor feels after having candy bars this long.

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petrey
5 hours ago
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The site lists the following specs for cameras:

> Cameras

> Rear: 50MP OIS

> Front: 24MP

Honestly, this sounds like a great deal

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pmarsh
5 hours ago
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Thanks, I saw that, but I never can make heads or tails of just MP. Feel like some phones have much lower MP but the quality of the photo is much higher.

It does seem like a great deal either way though!

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rchaud
2 hours ago
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If pictures are important to the buyer, they should get a high end Samsung, iPhone or specialty Huawei/Vivo models. Every other phone will have a generic camera lens and imaging algorithm. Source: I have purchased a lot of phones. A 4 year old Galaxy S22 will take better pictures than a 2025 Motorola or any other Tier 2 Android brand.
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dbgrman
36 minutes ago
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The website shows no additional screens. hard to make up my mind about it.
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MagicMoonlight
9 minutes ago
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It’s just a blackberry. We all had those, they were trash compared to iPhones. That’s why they went extinct.
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as1mov
5 hours ago
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This actually looks nice! I'd prefer a slide out horizontal keyboard like the X10 Mini Pro[1], but beggars can't be choosers.

I've never gotten used to the touch keyboard, since writing anything while code-switching multiple languages doesn't really work well with the predictive input. Especially if the other language has to be transliterated from a non Latin script.

Though the update policy doesn't sound too promising, 2 years of OS updates + 5 years of security updates is too short :/

[1] https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x10_mini_pro-3...

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analogpixel
4 hours ago
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This might actually get me to switch away from apple. Although I've gotten to the point where I realize that phones are mostly gimmicky sales portals, and it's just easier to do stuff on a real computer.

I second/third/forth all the other comments on this already, it would be better if I didn't have to buy into the google android system; seems like google has lost most of the trust with most people.

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memco
2 hours ago
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This company makes cases with a physical keyboard for iPhone 14+ so if you just want the keyboard you might be able to get one of those instead.
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reconnecting
5 hours ago
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Actually, this was initially a phone accessory (1) with a keyboard.

App reviews (2) saying that there was lot of glitches with keyboard app.

I assume same approach will be for the this phone: accessory keyboard over android phone.

1. https://www.clicks.tech/en

2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.clicks.com...

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stormed
1 hour ago
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I'm interested in getting that standalone magsafe Clicks keyboard they also announced. I have the original Clicks keyboard case for my iPhone 15 and almost never use it because of how goofy the size is + I dislike hate that soft touch plastic that gets stuck in my pocket. The slide out keyboard looks way more appealing in comparison. Not sure how people lived using the keyboard case with any plus sized iPhone-- It's basically a weapon!
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asadm
1 hour ago
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While the communicator is nice, I just pre-ordered the power keyboard: https://www.clicks.tech/powerkeyboard
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solomonb
5 hours ago
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Wow I wish they had announced this sooner. I just ordered a keyphone but this looks way more suited to my use case. I just want a basic feature phone + qwerty keyboard + signal + whats app.

I've been using a lightphone for 3 years but i can't stand the touch screen and only having SMS is annoying.

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joshlemer
5 hours ago
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What do you use for maps? Or paying for parking which maybe isn't the case for you but in my city requires use of a smartphone app. What about music and podcasts? Asking cause I would like to use a dumb phone if possible but it seems like it would actually introduce a lot of friction into daily life.
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Klonoar
4 hours ago
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The Keyphone they are referencing is Android, so those things can be worked around to some degree.
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solomonb
5 hours ago
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I pay for parking with quarters or a credit card.

If necessary I use a piece of paper for maps.

For music I have an ipod.

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crtasm
6 hours ago
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Looks great and the price is a pleasant surprise. Can we flash a custom OS to it?

I'm missing having LED colours for notifications on my current phone.

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summermusic
4 hours ago
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I really hope the bootloader is unlocked and something line LineageOS could be adapted to work well with it.
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KingOfCoders
6 hours ago
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Loved the LED on my Blackberry Passport.
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reconnecting
5 hours ago
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I had two Blackberry Passport even after EOF. Best email experience ever and LED for emails was particularly useful.
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scienceman
6 hours ago
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Ah man this hardware looks amazing — I just don’t know if I could give up living on iOS…
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mertd
5 hours ago
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They have a standalone keyboard product that snaps with magsafe.
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Topfi
4 hours ago
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Also, the existing suite of Clicks Keyboard Cases for iPhone, which while making the phone longer than the slide out magsafe PowerKey, keep the depth nearly unchanged.

Personally got an iPhone solely because Clicks initially was only available for Apples product line and have to say after two years that while Android was never bug free either, iOS doesn't really keep me on polish alone. In other words, neither is less issue prone/has fewer bugs and glitches than the other.

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aleksi
6 hours ago
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> What languages will be supported?

> As a real keyboard with the QWERTY layout, Communicator supports languages that use the Latin alphabet: [...] Russian

Weird

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dullcrisp
5 hours ago
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Japanese too
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altairprime
4 hours ago
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> Weird

Clarify?

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paxys
3 hours ago
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Russian does not use the Latin alphabet
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altairprime
3 hours ago
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Oh! Okay. I’m not an expert, but the depth of information here appears to disagree?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Latin_alphabet

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Karliss
59 minutes ago
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If you had read the link you posted you would know those are various historic proposals for language reforms not something that's widely used. Same way there have been various proposals for English spelling reforms. That's not the normal way for writing or reading Russian. Russian uses Cyrilic alphabet which if anything is closer to Greek alphabet than Latin. There are other slavic langauges which actually use Latin based scripts. If you don't read Russian it might look like some of the letters look similar but that's only less than half of alphabet and from those half have completely different meaning than Latin lookalikes.

Yes there are various schemes for transliterating Russian into latin script, which people occasionally use for various reasons like typing on a computer or phone which hasn't been fully configured for use with Russian language, in contexts where unicode isn't supported or to make street signs legible for tourists. That's different from the "Russian Latin alphabet". In most cases where proper Cyrillic is problematic dedicated "Russian Latin alphabet" that's based on Latin with extra diacritic marks would also be problematic.

Similar thing could be said about other languages like Japanese or Chinese, but I don't think anyone would describe them as "languages that use the Latin alphabet".

As for typing on keyboard the main Russian layout is nothing like qwerty. Computer keyboards sold in relevant regions often have dual labels. I personally never learned touch typing in Cyrillic and use the phonetic layout in the rare cases I need to do so since for me it was a second foreign language.

Which exact approach Click chose - who knows. Will it be possible to choose your preferred Russian layout like on a desktop computer? Likely not. If they supported that I would have expect them to also add layouts for more languages. Although maybe they didn't want to promise anything for languages for which they don't have OS UI translations.

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grishka
1 hour ago
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Transliteration is certainly a thing but it's only ever used as a last resort when you really have to pass Russian text through a system that only supports the Latin alphabet, or when you can't input Cyrillic for some other reason. It used to be somewhat common for SMS 20+ years ago.
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Kirth
2 hours ago
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Муч лике хов Ю кан/кулд спел Енглиш ин Кирилик.. but who in their right mind actually does that?
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throwaway74354
1 hour ago
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Palm Treo/Pre and BlackBerry users! And probably Clicks users too. It's not a matter of "Does Russian language use the Latin script?" (it doesn't), but rather "What is the least annoying method to input Cyrillic on a BB-style keyboard, which doesn't have enough buttons for the йцукен layout?". Phonetic layouts such as яверты or яшерты were very popular for such devices back in the day.
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altairprime
1 hour ago
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I’m considering the linked-above device to replace my mom’s Q10 later this year, so this is a specifically helpful answer for me — thanks!
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CrazyStat
1 hour ago
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For anyone one confused, the first part is an approximate transliteration into Cyrillic of the English sentence “Much like how you can/could spell English in Cyrillic.”
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paxys
1 hour ago
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> The Russian Latin alphabet is the common name for various variants of writing the Russian language by means of the Latin alphabet.

Key word - variant

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thekurst_
2 hours ago
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This looks really interesting. Sidephone also falls into this camp since I haven't seen it mentioned so far: https://www.sidephone.com/
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throwawayExSUSE
2 hours ago
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I had my fair share of exposure to the super-hyper start-up scene. Did these every-smiling people just re-invent the blackberry, and practiced the pitch for a month? Does anyone ever tell them "no, don't do this"?
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vpol
6 hours ago
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For people who miss blackberry.
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wowczarek
3 hours ago
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Well, seems to have all the right ingredients:

- PKB (check) with gestures / navigation (check) - Customisable, colour notification LED (check) - Unified inbox (check).

So far though only BB got all of it right though - very curious how this one works out.

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SunshineTheCat
5 hours ago
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What's funny is I actually use to have a Palm Treo and I feel like I stopped being able to text even remotely efficiently ever since I switched from that to my first iPhone.

Probably just a me problem, but I feel like I've never been able to get any good at typing on a screen keyboard no matter how long I do it.

That said, I may consider this just for the fact that I won't have to retype/correct every other word in a text lol.

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Elidrake24
5 hours ago
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Hell yeah it is. They've found some success with their cases, and I'm excited to switch to their new magnetic keyboard for horizontal portable work, but I do worry this is a moonshot that will sink them.
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voxleone
5 hours ago
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If only form factors like these could run general use/free OS's...
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9021007
5 hours ago
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This is running Android
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KingOfCoders
6 hours ago
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Me.
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thecrumb
4 hours ago
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Can wait to get my Clicks jeans with 18 pockets for all my devices. Or my Clicks sport coat which includes a hood.

Also find it ironic how all these things are starting to look more and more like my old Palm Pilot.

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laweijfmvo
1 hour ago
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I might buy/support this, because it seems like they’re actually listening to what [some] people want. But I don’t know that it’ll get me off iMessage.
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beeflet
19 minutes ago
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I would like it to have an open bootloader and support for some open source OS
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spenczar5
5 hours ago
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I feel like I see an independent low-noise phone project like, every 3 months. Clearly there is some latent demand here. I wonder why the big players (Google, Apple, Samsung, HTC) haven't made a big-corp product for this market.

I am always reluctant to jump on with these independent ambitious projects. The first version is understandably rough, and the company seems to fold before they get to a second or third version.

But maybe advances in manufacturing in China are making high-quality, small-batch products like this more tractable?

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jrmg
5 hours ago
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I feel like I see an independent low-noise phone project like, every 3 months. Clearly there is some latent demand here.

I don’t know - it feels to me that this is evidence that there _isn’t_ sufficient demand to sustain a successful product like this.

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altairprime
4 hours ago
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Same reason Acura stopped making small cars like the Integra/RSX: costs scale more slowly than revenue as car size increases, so selling to the small car market segment results in unearned potential profits — even if the small car segment is a majority, it’s better to make a higher profit per unit on fewer unit sales if your most primary goal is to min/max labor/profit.

(Small phones, unlike small cars, also have costs in UI development to maintain their form factor’s OS support, which can create an additional pressure to withhold devices for a viable and profitable market.)

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rchaud
2 hours ago
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Big corps were the ones to move away from Blackbery en masse towards a BYOD system. Before that, Samsung and Nokia both had a series of keyboard phones running Windows Mobile 6 or SymbianOS. I had the Samsung Blackjack II in 2008.
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cptskippy
5 hours ago
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> I wonder why the big players (Google, Apple, Samsung, HTC) haven't made a big-corp product for this market.

Because it impacts ARPU. It's really not that difficult, you're the product being sold.

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mystifyingpoi
4 hours ago
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> Clearly there is some latent demand here

No, there demand is negligible. It's just typical hacker news people who want to suddenly become productive Silicon Valley trope hustle style, or people who want to change their damaging habits in a day, so instead of uninstalling TikTok which takes 15 seconds to do, they will spend money a separate device.

Although the keyboard may be useful.

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twalichiewicz
3 hours ago
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paxys
3 hours ago
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The only thing I remember about Peek is how they sold "lifetime service" with the device for an extra $300 or so and a couple years later went "sike! Your device isn't supported on our network anymore".
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bicx
2 hours ago
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The back panel design, shape, and customizability reminds me a bit of the old Moto X that Motorola built while being owned by Google. Brings back some nostalgia.
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websiteapi
4 hours ago
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I'm surprised this is a thing. with the advances in STT I want the other extreme - a smaller and smaller device that leverages better voice control - super efficient inferencing chip on board and low power mic that's worn on your person to make said STT very very accurate (>95% word accuracy).
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drakythe
4 hours ago
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The thing I am always curious about with voice controlled devices is how do you use them in public? On the bus? Subway? How do you discretely check a message while in a lecture hall?

Voice control makes for a fun scifi gimmick but it is incredibly impractical in real life without an alternative interface, in my experience.

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wowczarek
3 hours ago
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This. Speak to type I can understand, to a degree, but for proper voice control to be quick and effective and anything more than a gimmick, it would need to rely on some shorthand - kind of how full-on screen reader action for those visually impaired is very intense - just the other way round.
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websiteapi
3 hours ago
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You would still have a screen. The device itself could just be smaller.
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CGMthrowaway
4 hours ago
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>Designed for doing, not doomscrolling.

It still has a touchscreen, right? And it even has a blinky light up button on the side, something iPhone doesn't. I read the homepage, but I couldn't figure out how this phone was "anti-doomscrolling" - what am I missing?

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tabiv
4 hours ago
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The "small" screen is supposed to deter social media and video use.
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jeroenhd
2 hours ago
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I find that the Unihertz Titan 2 with its capacitive scrolling physical keyboard to be an even better reading/doomscrolling vessel than a long touch screen phone where the act of scrolling may accidentally open something.

The Clicks Communicator appears to be a bit smaller than the chonky Titan 2, but for those looking to end doom scrolling, this might not be the phone for you.

That said, using a rectangular phone does make the device unappealing for most video based platforms (which are all either in widescreen or tall landscape mode). It'll do in a pinch, but a square screen is pretty good at making Youtube/Tiktok/etc. less appealing.

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Waterluvian
5 hours ago
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The first rendering made me think it was as thick as a brick, and that got me kind of excited for a moment…

Any device that isn’t as thick and heavy as the original Game Boy feels uncomfortably cramped in my hands.

Being unable to fit in a pocket would be a plus. I want a device I have to consciously choose to carry with me to a new room, like a tablet or a pound of butter.

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thehamkercat
5 hours ago
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You could create a 3D printed case maybe
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dzink
4 hours ago
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I wouldn’t buy this with Android - especially not out their software expiration policies. It’s designed to be obsolete. Put another OS on it and it would be great.

Presentation: The web site shows the same screen - show some variety of what the OS looks like in that format.

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mystifyingpoi
4 hours ago
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Yep, this confused me as well. They claim it's a normal Android, so... this is just the fullscreen notification view? That's it?
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jadbox
5 hours ago
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Sounds like a competitor to the Minimal Phone?
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butz
3 hours ago
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Device form factor looks attractive. This one might even fit in a pocket, unlike all modern phablets and their protruding camera "islands".
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pimlottc
3 hours ago
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The hero image makes it look like the phone is an inch thick. I didn’t realize it was actually showing two phones (front and back) until I saw the rest of the gallery.
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reconnecting
5 hours ago
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It looks more like hype than a real product.

What makes me suspicious is the Gmail icon instead of a generic email app.

So if I have my own email server, does that mean no mail? Or would there be one Gmail app and another separate email client? Unclear.

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muppetman
3 hours ago
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The Gmail app on Android supports 3rd party email servers via IMAP and has done for as long as I can remember (I have Gmail accounts but my primary account is a self hosted one and I use the Gmail app for all the accounts)
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microflash
5 hours ago
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It is supposed to run Android, so if you need another client, it might be as easy as installing it through an APK.
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8organicbits
4 hours ago
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If it's android, presumably you'd just install via the Google Play Store?
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reconnecting
3 hours ago
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I found out that it's sister product of keyboard accessory company, so most probably this will be usual android with keyboard as accessory.
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jeroenhd
2 hours ago
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The Gmail app supports POP, IMAP, MS Exchange, and (though it got bugged into re-downloading the entire mailbox every day) even old-fashioned MS ActiveSync.

You can disable the Gmail app and install something like Thunderbird seeing as this is just a normal Android phone (which, of course, will also show you your Gmail emails if you set it up to do so).

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aduwah
4 hours ago
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It would be nice to have something like this with a privacy OS
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jama211
5 hours ago
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Cool, I have a friend who always mourned the loss of his physical keyboard, I will tell him. I wish it could run standard Linux though (perhaps it can) - would make it a sweet little cyberdeck…
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feelamee
4 hours ago
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The user interface looks very similar to Niagara Launcher. I found it a really fresh and comfortable alternative to the default android launchers
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paxys
4 hours ago
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It is Niagara Launcher. They say so in the demo video.
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adenta
6 hours ago
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I've been rocking a Razr 2025 Ultra and just try to do everything on the front screen. Its not the best experience, just pre-ordered this, excited to try it!
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steviedotboston
6 hours ago
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I've been very impressed by the attention to detail Clicks puts into their products. It might be a niche but it seems like one that deserves to exist.
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nicksergeant
5 hours ago
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Pretty neat. I have the Clicks keyboard and I just wish the keys weren't so stiff. Too hard to type on, sadly.
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coder543
4 hours ago
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Is it their original launch edition keyboard, or the later refined version? The launch edition one I have is like you describe, but I hope they have improved things since then.
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microflash
5 hours ago
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This has been my complaint as well. I didn't realize how stiff those keys were when I recently got to try it.
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mt_
3 hours ago
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Discipline yourself before buying a new device.
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bicx
2 hours ago
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How many lashes must I give myself before I buy this phone?
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gspr
4 hours ago
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Slight digression: why isn't a computer – a general purpose computer, open enough to run mainline Linux – in this form factor readily available? I'm fine with not calling it a phone. I just don't understand why we don't have (connected) open pocket computers by now, with all the innovations introduced by smartphones more or less commoditized by now.

By "open" above, I don't necessarily mean open hardware (though that would be great). I just mean "as open as a random consumer x86 computer you can just throw any Linux distro at without any special secret sauce".

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jeroenhd
2 hours ago
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https://www.gpd-minipc.com/ has all kinds of models for the "tiny laptop" form factor as long as 7 inches is tiny enough for you. Their recent products seem to be pivoting more towards the "handheld gaming computer" space, but their Pocket 3 and MicroPC 2 seem to be pretty close to "pocket computers". As far as I know, these are plain old amd64 platforms that will run Linux as well as any other Chinese motherboard.

The small+portable nature of these phones make them unsuitable for amd64 chips (so far) so everyone is using ARM chips, which means dealing with weird and quirky bootloaders or hard-coded OS keys. Qualcomm is putting effort into getting some iterations of their hardware into a well-supported state, so hopefully we may see better mainline Linux support on their chips soon. However, you're not going to get your hands on Qualcomm chips if you don't beat their (high) minimum order quantities and these tiny keyboard phones are hardly mainstream devices, so they often end up with MediaTek chips which have absolutely terrible mainline Linux support (and even worse bootloader quirks).

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drakythe
4 hours ago
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Miniaturization is expensive and often these kinds of devices rely on some form of subsidy to be cheap enough to reach popular adoption levels. Not to mention the user interfaces these days seem to be built for touch or game controller, and not a lot else.

Your options are things like the CHIP (which is dead, now, I think?), Pocket GPD or other gaming focused ultra-portable, or something like the Pinephone.

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oytis
4 hours ago
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Linux phones exist, but I don't see a huge market for it. Most people don't really need a general-purpose computer in their pocket. The most used app on my phone is a web browser, and I also need a banking app, authorization apps and all the parking, public transportation apps for wherever I happen to be today to work.
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Topfi
6 hours ago
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Have used a Clicks keyboard on my Pro Max to great effect. Being able to touch type without looking, even whilst walking around/changing trains has been truly game changing. Writing SOPs, editing spreadsheets, answering long mails, typing without the atrocious autocorrect making it impossible, all that is far better with the Clicks keyboard. I feel that this is their differentiator and a key customer market they should lean into, people who need reliable input and are willing to sacrifice other things for it.

Personally wish their marketing leaned into the productivity more than in this "second-device" trend. Never understood that if I am totally honest. The logic for buying a $ 700,- Light Phone over just installing a launcher and muting the colours is allegedly that it creates more friction, but there is just as much keeping you from just using your existing phone once you purchased a Light Phone as there is preventing you from uninstalling the launcher. Basically, I see this category as rather dishonest, at most holding on by a treat with the sunk cost argument that anyone truly addicted is unlikely to even feel, so I'd rather see them lean into what makes them great rather than chase an artificial category, often more focused on signaling the intent to lessen phone user over actually facilitating it.

State clearly, proudly and with full conviction that yes, this is a main device and yes, there are things this will do better than arguably anything else on the market, mainly because Clicks does keyboards a multitude better than any alternative, be it Unihertz or Minimal.

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memoriuaysj
5 hours ago
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people still need their IG and TikTok

you can fight that, and lose (no market)

or accept second device status (for werk), optimize that use case, and be honest that it will not be the main device

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Topfi
5 hours ago
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There is nothing preventing the use of Insta and TikTok. It is a regular Android phone and unlike a Light Phone can have a target market beyond those thinking if they buy a treadmill, that spend will force them to keep exercising. It rarely works, of course, same with second phones.

In the comments below the Verge Article and announcement video on the Communicator, there is already confusion because of their second device marketing. Whether you can use it without another device, whether it can share data contracts like a smartwatch, what keeps one from using it as their sole smartphone, some even asking whether this actually allows for phone calls or is just for mailing.

They have clearly just confused the messaging for the core audience of Clicks and devices of this type by chasing what I'd argue is a mirage, a customer base that doesn't exist.

Keep in mind, Clicks doesn't need to speculate who will buy this. They already have a loyal consumer base (I paid over € 150,- including import fees for just the case and am far from alone), made up of power users who mostly will use this as their sole smartphone, just like we have been doing with our Clicks equipped iPhones, Pixels, Razrs and Galaxies.

Second device is a wholly different market, one that I suspect does not intersect much with the existing base of heavy power users, using their phones to reliably control e.g. IDEs and remote desktops on the go.

I'd argue the two are in fact polar opposites, someone who needs reliable input on the go is likely not the same someone who wants to use their phone less and equally would not want to just have reliable input only on e.g. their work device. For me, it's always a pain when I have to use a touch only keyboard despite previously doing fine with swiping, etc. so if a Communicator user wanted to have physically separate devices for work and private, they'd more likely go for a second Clicks, the keyboard is that nice and arguably locks you in tight.

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joshlemer
5 hours ago
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I agree about the marketing. I just heard about this phone now and was confused about if I could just use it as a primary phone. It would be nice if they talked more about what the phone is like to use, show what is the home screen and stuff. I'm wondering if I can use it well with some other utility apps that I don't think I'd want to do without like Maps, Parking payment apps, Podcasts and Spotify.
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Topfi
5 hours ago
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For the Home Screen, they've announced a collaboration with Niagara Launcher and it appears to be close to AOSP+GServices, so I suspect that'll all work out of the box, but yeah, they really should be clearer. Also has both a NanoSim slot and eSim support powered by a not yet public Mediathek SOC.

Major concern as is often the case with new phone startups is the update policy and more importantly whether they'll be able to actually deliver over the years. Has been literally half a decade since I last used a Mediathek device, so maybe this changed, but back then they didn't have the best reputation for long term maintenance, providing drivers to enable updates, etc...

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memoriuaysj
4 hours ago
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yes, it can run IG and Tiktok, but you'll have a bad experience due to the screen aspect ratio, and small screen size

the power user base you mention is probably too small to sustain them long term

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Topfi
4 hours ago
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Genuine question, why would a none power user want a physical keyboard on their phone?

Or from the other side, why would the digital detox, second device crowd go for a fully featured Android phone with a color AMOLED with all the temptations that brings over a smartwatch or black and white screened device?

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memoriuaysj
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some people type a lot, chatting, writing emails

not sure if that makes them a power user

why do you equate second device with digital detox?

what happened to use the best tool for the job? use a phone with a physical keyboard when chatting on WhatsApp and then switch to a regular phone for Instagram and browsing web. not saying everybody should do this but if chatting is your life...

some people even use a phone and a laptop at the same time, they are already a second device person, so they could be a three device person

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onesandofgrain
5 hours ago
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Isnt this just a blackberry?
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yoz-y
4 hours ago
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“Just”? A blackberry was a lot of a thing.
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analogpixel
4 hours ago
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even it is "JUST" a blackberry, seems like there is a market for that again. Although it would be nice if they had their own OS like blackberry and ditched android.
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onesandofgrain
4 hours ago
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Do we really wanna go back to using keyboards? Like Steve Jobs said, the keyboard shouldnt be visible when not in use, but I dunno, seems more like a niche nostalgia product
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rchaud
2 hours ago
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Jobs said a lot of things designed to make his tchotchke look better than the other guy's. He said he couldn't use a Samsung 8 inch tablet without filing his fingers down, while working on the iPad Mini at that same exact time.
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analogpixel
4 hours ago
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At least on the iphone, the onscreen keyboard has gotten worse with every release, so I guess maybe something new is in order.
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steve-atx-7600
5 hours ago
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I was disappointed by their iPhone keyboard offering. I felt like their product was superficially good: fancy adds, fancy web-page, the keyboard looked nice, BUT the functionality was not well thought out. They seemed to not realize that they need to provide a hell of a lot of benefit to warrant making an iPhone - especially a max - bigger and heavier. So, sure, they provided physical qwerty. But, they did not make it easy to bind keys or combos to all/most of the Apple supported shortcuts that a bluetooth keyboard would be able to take advantage of. The result is that even if I liked the qwerty, I still have to take my fingers off of it to touch the damn screen to do basic navigation. With better leadership, they would be a much stronger company.

EDIT: was referring to their first product that is an iphone case plus keyboard (I just noticed they have a new keyboard offering).

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juancn
5 hours ago
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Sooo a Blackberry?
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LunicLynx
6 hours ago
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I love it. Finally some innovation. Now make it incapable of instagram and TikTok and other invasive social media crap and we might have the winner for the next decade. As if :(
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memoriuaysj
5 hours ago
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do you have so little agency that you can't stop yourself from installing TikTok?

what will stop you then from keeping your existing TikTok phone after buying this?

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LunicLynx
5 hours ago
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Uhhh judgey…

You do you. It was ment as a glimmer of hope for society at large.

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memoriuaysj
5 hours ago
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ah, sorry, you just want to control what apps other people can use
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LunicLynx
1 hour ago
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I think you misunderstood. My point was: This would be a great device if there wasn’t a need for it to support these apps.

And because of this it’s just another android phone. And it fails (will) because the screen ratio does not work for those apps.

This would be awesome if it would just be that a „communicator“ meaning a device that allows to communicate.

Think remarkable vs all the other e-ink android tablets.

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kgwxd
5 hours ago
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Education is the hope we need, not yet another "innovative", centrally controlled device.
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pseidemann
3 hours ago
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Agreed. Most people still don't see the gamification built into everyday products and apps.
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BoredPositron
4 hours ago
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Innovation?
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analogpixel
4 hours ago
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re-innovation; it'll be one the first first phones in 20 years to have an actually different form factor than, "rectangular screen"
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LunicLynx
1 hour ago
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Exactly. And I would love a phone that commits to be a „communicator“, eg. optimizing the simplicity of talking, instead of a consumption device.
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nikhizzle
6 hours ago
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I may eventually get one of these just to use with Claude code. Been looking for the lightest best machine to use with agents.
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vosper
6 hours ago
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Maybe dictation is the way to go? It’s a quick way to interact with agents and works really well.
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yoz-y
4 hours ago
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Shellfish on iOS to ssh into a vps with tmux with Gemini-cli, lazygit and neovim worked quite well for me.

The clicks keyboard does not have ctrl, arrows, page up, down or really any special keys so I’m not sure it would be that much more pleasant. I know iOS keyboard has been quite meh in the recent releases but for thumb typing I’m not convinced that physical keyboard are superior.

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drcongo
6 hours ago
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One of these running linux would be nice, but definitely not buying one to run Android.
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gumby271
6 hours ago
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I wish they'd specify if the bootloader was unlock/relockable. Could have been cool to see GrapheneOS support.
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Fnoord
5 hours ago
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This device misses some of the requirements for GrapheneOS. It wouldn't be as secure as a Pixel.

Just get a Pixel with GrapheneOS and put one of ZitaoTech's USB-C BB keyboards under it (or get a BT one).

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gue5t
5 hours ago
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It's a MediaTek SoC, so the Linux experience will be Bad to say the least. This thing will be running the oldest kernel possible with all kind of nasty vendor hacks.
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muppetman
3 hours ago
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Wouldn't you want battery life of more than 2 hours though?
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adenta
6 hours ago
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why not?
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drcongo
6 hours ago
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Had to use it at a prior job and hated it. Plus, you know, Google.
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automathematics
6 hours ago
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I'm with you. But what phone are you using day to day? I keep watching for linux phones or even start to wonder if Apple is finally the "lesser of two evils" :/
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jaysonelliot
4 hours ago
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I bought their Clicks phone case for iPhone and was very disappointed. The keyboard was dismal to type on and slowed me down significantly.

If they're using the same keyboard in this phone, it won't be of interest to me.

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kgwxd
5 hours ago
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I have fond memories of my LG enV2, so much that I tried a hardware keyboard again a few years ago. Hardware solves the tactile problem but the most painful part of mobile typing is cursor navigation, basic editing, and tiny text areas. So, now I can feel the keys, but it does nothing to enhance navigation, or basic editing; I get a smaller screen for text areas (and all other non-typing related tasks); and if any of those tiny keys breaks, the entire device is useless.
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IlikeKitties
5 hours ago
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>What version of Android will be supported?

>Communicator will run Android 16. We’re comfortable committing to 2 years of Android updates and 5 years of security updates

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jstummbillig
5 hours ago
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This feels very scammy.
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analogpixel
4 hours ago
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While I do like the product Idea, I'll agree that their video came off as stiff/fake/forced? I guess we'll just have to wait to see what actually gets released.
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