Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
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getnormality
15 hours ago
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Interesting little detail buried near the end:

> Powell Jobs and Jobs' sister have said in a statement that the book "differs dramatically from our memories of those times."

I've learned from experience that people who aggressively denounce others publicly sometimes have stuff going on that isn't readily visible.

It's not that I want Jobs to be free of moral stain. I have no investment in it. But people should be cautious trusting a report of one person's disputed report.

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PostOnce
15 hours ago
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Differing from your memory and differing from reality aren't the same thing.

Nor is it uncommon that "the stepmom doesn't like the estranged kids"

Nor is it uncommon that a deadbeat dad is an asshole.

Whether or not it's true, common sense and the available evidence certainly favor Lisa.

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red-iron-pine
51 minutes ago
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Jobs was a raging asshole and misanthropist famous for treating his coworkers and employees like shit -- luckally he was able to deliver, and everyone forgets that shitty behavior.

it's not crazy to think he was like at that home, too.

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BLKNSLVR
16 hours ago
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There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had.

It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals.

If the drive for career success is strong enough, kids will be resented and treated as such. It sucks, and they probably shouldn't have had kids in the first place, but the biological imperative is incredibly difficult to overcome.

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dghlsakjg
15 hours ago
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Being absent for work is different than being cruel.

As a counterpoint I would highlight Buffet, Branson, and others who have managed to fulfill their obligations to the next generation without failing to dominate their industries.

There is no excuse for cruelty to children, doubly so when they are your own. Jobs was an asshole because he was an asshole, not because he was driven.

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diegocg
15 hours ago
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Have you read the article? He didn't just ignore her. He combined periods where he ignored her with periods of caring only to hurt her in dark ways.

> Once, she says, as Jobs groped his wife and pretended to be having sex with her, he demanded that Brennan-Jobs stay in the room, calling it a "family moment." He repeatedly withheld money from her, told her that she would get "nothing" from his wealth — and even refused to install heat in her bedroom.

This isn't just a career driven person

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BLKNSLVR
14 hours ago
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It's all very nuanced, but to put it overly bluntly: career-orientation is about power and control and self image. My understanding is that it's all mental illness related behavior.

Happy to be disagreed with, it's just my experience of the world.

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BeetleB
15 hours ago
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The guy had issues, and "driven to build a company" was not the cause.

Ironic that he blamed his biological father for abandoning him, and then tried really, really hard to do the same to his daughter.

She wasn't a product of "trying to have kids". It just happened, and he denied she was his daughter for years.

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amelius
14 hours ago
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Jobs was an IT guy, perhaps a good one, but that didn't give him the right to treat anyone the way he did.

The worshipping is completely out of line.

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BLKNSLVR
14 hours ago
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To be clear, I'm no worshipper, nor Apple fanboi. In fact, I try to avoid that ecosystem entirely.

I'm a praiser of good parents and good people and Steve was definitively neither, it would seem.

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burnte
15 hours ago
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> There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had.

It's a common misconception because so many psychopaths become examples of "successful businessmen" but they're not successful PEOPLE. Steve's arrogance literally killed him, his insistence he knew better than everyone made him ignore his cancer until it was too late.

No one should try to be the next Steve Jobs. Be better than he was, better to your family, better to your employees, better to your friends. There's no one Steve didn't try to screw at some point. That's not success.

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lurk2
12 hours ago
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When Jobs was alive I could still play YouTube videos with my screen locked, I could listen to music with a set of conventional headphones, and iOS did not yet suffer from the storage bug.
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IAmBroom
10 hours ago
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So, the trains ran on time?
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lurk2
9 hours ago
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The implication being that Steve Jobs was the leader of a genocidal regime and I am his supporter?
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asadotzler
15 hours ago
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Excusing abusive parenting because he prioritize career over child rearing is pretty awful.
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BLKNSLVR
14 hours ago
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I'm in no way attempting to do that. I live my life in the opposite manner, I have two great kids (that are my lifetime greatest achievement) and a "career" that pays the bills that I could totally take or leave (pending the ability to pay the bills).
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kazinator
16 hours ago
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Unfortunately, maybe it was in part due to Steve's personality that nobody talked him out of following quack home remedies for curing cancer.
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caycep
17 hours ago
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it seems quaint to dunk on Jobs now...he seems like a saint in comparison, in light of Mao Zedong-style mass-murder-by-policy from the current crop of tech industry CEOs.
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Cornbilly
16 hours ago
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Don’t forget the child porn generator.
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DaiPlusPlus
15 hours ago
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> Don’t forget the child porn generator.

Details reported today suggest to me he's more than just a billionaire edgelord:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/tech/elon-musk-xai-digital-un...

> Musk has pushed back against guardrails for Grok [...] Musk has “been unhappy about over-censoring” on Grok “for a long time.” [...] At one meeting in recent weeks before the latest controversy erupted, Musk held a meeting with xAI staffers from various teams where he “was really unhappy” over restrictions on Grok’s Imagine image and video generator

...how are the shareholders not in revolt over this?

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solid_fuel
15 hours ago
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The stock seems completely disconnected from the antics of Musk. I would think that having a CEO who is clearly a heavy ketamine user and spends more time playing politician than actually running the company would have a negative impact on the stock, but tesla's stock has been divorced from reality for a long time.
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xeonmc
14 hours ago
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The shareholders have always been revolting. The question is why are they not rebelling.
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phaser
16 hours ago
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Do we have mass murdering CEOs now? What did I miss?
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BLKNSLVR
16 hours ago
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Your comment makes me interested in the hypothetical of how Jobs would have positioned Apple under the current administration.

I haven't read much about Tim Cook being anywhere near the level of sycophant, or raising the curtain to show the ugliness behind, as much as some of the others.

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cmiller1
16 hours ago
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Jobs was a terrible person on a personal level, all the other tech CEOs are terrible people on a societal level.
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SoftTalker
16 hours ago
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Just from afar, I'd imagine someone like Zuckerberg is terrible all around. Are there any stories of him doing anything for the greater good?
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KaiserPro
16 hours ago
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I think Zuckerberg is just wet. We've not seen his final form yet.

Musk is malevolent and Theal is a malevolent shit, but has the ability to be discrete about it.

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wmf
16 hours ago
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Supposedly Zuck is good to his family.
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IAmBroom
10 hours ago
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Aside from his first wife, you mean?
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wmf
9 hours ago
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Are you confusing Zuck and Elon?
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llbbdd
15 hours ago
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His duet cover of "Get Low" with T-Pain is pretty fire.
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kisama
16 hours ago
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That’s largely because Jobs didn’t care about the societal level. Creating consumer products was “changing the world” enough for him.
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nipponese
16 hours ago
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I can't wait to hear stories from Linus' kid's childhoods.
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CuriouslyC
16 hours ago
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Totally different. Linus is a jerk for justice, Steve was just a narcissistic asshole.
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nipponese
15 hours ago
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I believe the point here is to evaluate if we're cool with how we treated our kids being part of our legacy.
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rootusrootus
16 hours ago
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So you think now. A few years after Linus is dead maybe the real truth will come out, when he won't be around to defend his legacy.
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razingeden
16 hours ago
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I thought it was already pretty well established that Torvalds is a jerk? Or, at a minimum, somewhat petulant.

But also a good example of someone’s accomplishments .. arguably being worth something even if that’s true. I made my whole existence off of Linus’s handiwork and owe him a debt of gratitude for it. I probably still get more in monthly residuals than 90% of the people who wrote anything I deployed. Who cares what I think of anyone personally?

I’d hate to be so deranged about anyone that I can’t see any good in their accomplishments. I’m not exactly Miss Manners in the professional or personal realm either, don’t let me cast the first stone.

Id even go as far as saying that Linus’s are way more important and that Steve’s destroyed society but that’s enough out of me. Even if that’s my opinion, I’m still saying that about a trillion dollar company and that’s still someone’s yardstick for success. Genius is genius, accomplishments are accomplishments

… and god what a grey and insecure and screwed up IT world this would be if neither of those people ever existed and Microsoft ruled the world. Either we wouldn’t even have functional cash registers let alone any other technical pillars or infrastructure… or we’d all be in our rightful BSD utopia right about now.

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CuriouslyC
14 hours ago
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To emphasize the difference between Linus and Steve. Steve seemed to be 100% an asshole when he wasn't performing, whereas Linus is (afaik) mostly very opinionated and doesn't care about being diplomatic at all, but not fundamentally a bad human being.
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BLKNSLVR
16 hours ago
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There were things about Jobs around before he died, I'm pretty sure.

The denial of paternity of his first born being one of them.

(I think that was relatively well known well before he died)

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karmakurtisaani
16 hours ago
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Eh, pretty sure it would be out by now.
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rootusrootus
17 hours ago
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When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?
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wolvoleo
16 hours ago
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To make sure history doesn't only remember the good things like their accomplishments. He was often really mean in person, that's pretty clear from his biography (and I also heard from some people who met him). Seeing him remembered as a tech saint is weird then.

I'm glad I never worked for Apple while he was there. Though I have unfortunately worked for someone with very similar traits.

Even though he is dead and can no longer improve himself, people will use him as a role model and idolize all the bad stuff too.

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toast0
16 hours ago
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> Seeing him remembered as a tech saint is weird then.

Hero worship is always pretty weird. I wish we would do less of it in general. But for Steve Jobs, I feel like negative reports about his character were pretty well known during his life and after his death. I don't feel like I've seen a lot of positive only content about him now that his death isn't so recent (maybe a little bit in the context of people hating on current Apple products), unlike some other celebrities where people seem to forget all of the misconduct (alleged or proven) during their lifetime.

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46493168
15 hours ago
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>To make sure history doesn't only remember the good things like their accomplishments.

This horse has been beat to death. Every reddit post that has Jobs name in it covers this. Same with John Lennon.

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jjtheblunt
16 hours ago
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I did work for Apple while he was there, and he was entirely decent.

I came to believe that there was a bratty entitled personality from his 20s that gave rise to most the jerk stories people reference, and that he wised up after being ousted (probably for being that jerk). He was essentially exiled for the better part of a decade.

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onlypassingthru
16 hours ago
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The jerk was there from the beginning. A friend's mom was temp-hired by two young guys, both named Steve, to help them set up their first company office. She liked one of the Steves but declined the offer to join their new company as the first office manager because the other Steve was an a-hole.
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jjtheblunt
38 minutes ago
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that fits the early Steve vs post humility of firing Steve that we there after NeXT merged
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anthonypasq
16 hours ago
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if Steve Jobs wasnt famous would you have anything negative to say about a person writing a memoir describing their cruel dad?
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johnnyanmac
17 hours ago
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depends on their legacy. If a a policy maker died but still has bills and laws in flight, it's an easy way to kill those. As well as any proteges that were running for office.
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rendx
5 hours ago
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For me, it is important to know and reflect on these stories so we can collectively heal and learn from them, regarding child abuse, narcissism, and especially (what is also mentioned in the article) enabling such abuse. This is why I posted it.

If we bury these stories, and always only talk about it when people are long dead or not at all, we as communities will not evolve out of those patterns. A culture that "honors the dead" by not talking about the bad stuff they've done is catering to its abusers.

Today, we should talk about Trump, Musk, etc, also in the light of how they treat their children. And what we can and should do to protect those that cannot protect themselves.

We all have responsibility - the ability to respond. If we look away from the stories, we will also look away when something happens near us. And it should encourage us to grow in how we treat other people (especially children) around us. Yes, this can bring up difficult feelings about our own acts, and our own childhood experiences. And it should.

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austin-cheney
16 hours ago
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My go to example for this is Saint Cyril.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_of_Alexandria

He is a canonized saint of Catholicism and revered as a virtuous defender of Christianity. More evidence based history instead indicates he was a narcissist primarily motivated to elevate himself politically in Alexandria which included wide spread murder and the destruction of the greatest intellectual institution the world had ever seen.

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amelius
17 hours ago
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Except it compensates for the one sided praising of the guy.
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rootusrootus
16 hours ago
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Really? I have heard plenty of "Jobs was an asshole" comments, every time his name comes up. The most consistent assessment seems to be "he was talented, lucky, and a real asshole to work for."
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wilg
16 hours ago
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I would not say Steve Jobs received only praise during his life or after his death.
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KaiserPro
16 hours ago
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> not say Steve Jobs received only praise

Jobs was idolised during his later life. (reality distortion field a-la the register) lots of founders and CEOs adopted his mannerisms, and cosplayed his stories, because they thought that was what made him _good_

Obviously there were dissenters, either people who were personally shat on by him, or didn't buy the "Jobs is better than jesus" stuff.

But, they made a fucking movie about him, thats how much he was idolised.

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subjectsigma
16 hours ago
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The article made a lot of sense in 2018. If I was Lisa I would want my story to be heard. And so in turn I empathize and want to hear her story.

I’m not sure why it is being reposted in 2026, though.

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baal80spam
17 hours ago
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Some people just want to see the world burn, destroy culture etc.
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Supermancho
16 hours ago
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Some culture touchpoints are based on misinformation. It's usually moral to point out historic inaccuracies and to portray humans as they are.
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clipsy
16 hours ago
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> destroy culture

If the truth destroys your culture, it says more about your culture than it does about the people destroying it.

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