Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever
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mikkupikku
9 hours ago
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> Its planks are made of Pomeranian oak from modern-day Poland, and the wood of its frame came from the Netherlands.

I'm surprised the raw materials came together over such a distance. That transporting lumber was economical back then is remarkable.

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mk_stjames
3 hours ago
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I live in a late 18th-century rowhouse where there is large stonework for window sills/surrounds/doorways all done in a very specific pink granite that was carved from a shoreline quarry a significant distance away. Massive stones, 100kg+ each, had to be transported by horse-drawn cart, over not-easy-terrain, a distance that would have taken two horses probably 8-9 hours per trip, and enough stones that it was probably 15-20 trips. Let alone the effort that had to have been required to carve surprisingly square/cuboid shapes from solid granite without power tools. It's mindblowing to me that someone was able to afford such a home construction, let alone the time taken to do it, in ~ 1790. It isn't a particularly rare style in this neighborhood either.

Fast forward 200 years, and I was sweating at the cost just to hire someone to deliver new hardwood countertops from a place not much further away. By truck. By a single person. In a single afternoon. No horses required.

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twic
9 hours ago
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Well, as the article says:

> Per the statement, the large vessels were made to sail north from the Netherlands, around Denmark and toward the Baltic Sea. [...] Uldum adds that shipbuilders made the cogs as large as possible to transport bulky cargo, like timber

Once you've built one cog, you've got the ideal tool to fetch Polish timber to build more!

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nickpinkston
6 hours ago
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Yea, this is like the early railroads making steel cheaper via cheaper transport of bulk ore/coal, that made cheaper railroads, that then ship more products made of steel to larger markets opened by the extended rail networks, etc.

This happened with tin all the way back in the Bronze Age, where a lot of it was shipped as ingots from industrial-scale mines / smelters in Cornwall all the way to the Mediterranean empires to mix with copper to make Bronze.

A cog-based auto-catalytic wood industry is super interesting.

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monero-xmr
1 hour ago
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Also this stuff never happens by design. Some entrepreneur notices things and the costs, make a decision, suddenly more products exist, organic trading routes appear. There is no need for computers or grand design or hyper-managerial government. The market solves the problem
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nickpinkston
1 hour ago
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In the US context that's largely true, with the government providing useful regulations after the fact (allowing national corporations, railroad right-of-way law, etc.).

The exception being guys like JP Morgan who organized industry cartels that acted as private "central planners", part of which turned into the current Federal Reserve Bank.

But for countries like China and many others in Asia with strong state capacity, industrial policy was planned top-down for the "commanding heights" of industry like: roads, rail, shipping, airlines, telecom, steel, energy, etc., and that actually worked very well, faster than private markets alone, with the benefit of existing tech and models to follow.

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pseudohadamard
20 minutes ago
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>Once you've built one cog, you've got the ideal tool to fetch Polish timber to build more!

It's cogs all the way down!

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Duanemclemore
9 hours ago
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Check out the History of the Germans season on the Hanseatic League [0]. The bulk goods trade was in the Baltic / Northern Europe was actually huge. The Hansa themselves traded all the way from London to Novgorod. Anyway, it's an absolutely fascinating subject and period.

[0] https://historyofthegermans.com/hanseatic-league/

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namenotrequired
6 hours ago
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I’m more surprised we can tell so precisely where wood that spent 600 years under the sea came from
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IncreasePosts
8 hours ago
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You might be interested in tin transport during the bronze age then - You'll find tin mined in Cornwall in ships that sank off the coast of Turkey 3500 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_during_a...

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benj111
8 hours ago
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Is it possible the ship was rebuilt?
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tokai
8 hours ago
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No the wood is also dated.
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evereverever
7 hours ago
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Too wet to be on tinder though.
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cardamomo
6 hours ago
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Dendrochronology-based age verification is coming soon
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collingreen
5 hours ago
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Slow clap.

Also, there's a "rings" joke in here somewhere about Tinder not being for finding a marriage but I can't figure it out.

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TeMPOraL
5 hours ago
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Maybe s/marriage/stable marriage/, then we can talk about growing population of multi-ringers.
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asymmetric
8 hours ago
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> On its stern, researchers were shocked to find extensive remains of a castle, a kind of covered deck where the crew would have sought shelter. Records show that castles were distinctive features of medieval cogs, but no physical evidence of them had previously been identified.

I suppose this explains why the thing that exists on more modern ships is called a “forecastle”.

PS go check the pronunciation for that word as it’s quite surprising.

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lostlogin
1 hour ago
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‘Folksal’?

You aren’t wrong.

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mmooss
11 hours ago
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Is there a paper somewhere?

Statement from the Viking Museum:

https://www.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk/en/about-us/news-and-press...

Documentary referenced in the statement (I think):

https://www.dr.dk/drtv/episode/gaaden-i-dybet_-fra-ukendt-ha...

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tocs3
3 minutes ago
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I am wondering if there is any historical record of the ship and/or its sinking.
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tokai
8 hours ago
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No. It's going to take some time, and theres a good change it'll come as a danish language monography or one or more phd thesis'.
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lisper
4 hours ago
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Apparently no one has mentioned the Vasa here yet, so I'll do it:

https://www.vasamuseet.se/en

Not quite as old but preserved almost intact and now restored on dry land. Well worth a visit.

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alberth
11 hours ago
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Who would have guessed the Smithsonian of all organizations would have so many video popup ads.

Isn’t the greatest experience on mobile when so little of the content can be seen due to popups.

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quinncom
10 hours ago
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Smithsonian Mag used to be the Institution’s brain‑child, now it’s just a click‑bait lifestyle tabloid full of celebs. The magazine’s editorial directives have diverged from the institutions mission. They care more about pageviews and ads than research.
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dyauspitr
10 hours ago
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I can appreciate their troubles. How is someone supposed to pay for all the overhead that goes into research and writing these articles without a source of income. People also seem dead against subscriptions. The only way that seems to work is appealing to the LCD and raking in stream bucks but not all media/literature, especially the valuable kind, is conducive to that model.
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Zardoz84
10 hours ago
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Ads ? What Ads...

I forgot that I use Firefox for Android with uBlock Origin. I don't see any ads NEVER.

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stronglikedan
9 hours ago
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> I don't see any ads NEVER

So you see some ads occasionally? Then why are you asking "what ads"?

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einpoklum
10 hours ago
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This is the kind of ship they found:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cog_(ship)

larger ships in the later middle ages were the Caravel and the Carrack, which typically had more than a single mast.

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paulnpace
10 hours ago
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Amazingly under only 40' of water.
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patall
9 hours ago
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The baltic has tons of wrecks. Because of its brackishness, both marine and fresh water wood decomposing organism dont survive there and thus old ships got preserved really really well. Some are in really shallow (walkable) water, especially in areas where the land is rising.
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Someone
9 hours ago
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That may be not that amazing for a shipwreck in the Øresund. According to Wikipedia, its maximum depth is 40m (130’) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Øresund), so chances are a lot of it is less deep. There also may be sampling bias, with shipwrecks in shallower water being more likely to be found, and, if the tides flow faster in deeper water, survivorship bias.
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bluGill
8 hours ago
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ships are less likely to wreck in deep water. Storms can sill overturn them (though if they are unstable getting to deep water is questionable). You mostly expect wrecks from hitting rocks on the bottom. Though in war time sinking happens in deep water.
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dgan
11 hours ago
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Patrician II/III anyone? One of the best games of my childhood, sweet memories
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