Things I've learned in my 10 years as an engineering manager
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crjohns648
2 hours ago
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> A good manager is more like a transparent umbrella. They protect the team from unnecessary stress and pressure, but don’t hide reality from them.

I'm absolutely going to steal this metaphor going forward.

Being a "transparent umbrella" does require knowing the personalities of your reports, some people do get distracted when they think higher-up decisions or unhappiness are going to affect their team. Most people, however, really appreciate the transparency. It helps them feel more in control when they know what is happening around them, and when things do change they can tie it back to something that was said previously.

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Scubabear68
1 hour ago
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> They protect the team from unnecessary stress and pressure, but don’t hide reality from them.

I was going to highlight this as well, but it is also one of the trickiest parts of the equation, because by definition this inevitably involves a lot of politics and social implications.

What I have learned over the years: let the overall direction, and also the overall competitive pressures, filter down through your umbrella. But shield them from the details and your specific efforts here, unless it is relevant.

Maybe even more important, though - recognize inflection points in your company and your group. How you manage during routine times and during stressful times may well be very different. If they're not, then you have a serious problem.

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ghaff
1 hour ago
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I agree with that. It's useful for (most) people to understand the overall environment the company is operating in. Probably less every top-down decision the company is making.
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randoglando
54 minutes ago
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That's true for a junior engineer, but the more senior engineers should be given a view into the organization's priorities and business challenges.
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gramie
33 minutes ago
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I recall hearing that Google had a term similar to this:

A "shit umbrella" was a manager who protected the development team from all the politics, blame, and mismanagement coming from above.

A "shit funnel" was a manager who directed all the shit coming down, directly onto the team.

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fidansin
1 hour ago
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Kinda like; You got to do, what you got to do.
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ghaff
1 hour ago
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The basic question is how much context do you actually want if you can't really affect it and it's therefore more of a distraction than useful input. Some is almost certainly useful but it probably varies by individual and situation.
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gambutin
1 hour ago
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Honestly, I’m not sure.

If I know what was going on transparently I am stressed. As an ordinary employee, I don’t need to know everything and therefore don’t need to worry about it.

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_blk
54 seconds ago
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As a leader, it's important to provide not just the meat but also the veggies. What people end up eating is up to them, but serve the full course! If as a ME, I start deciding who needs to know what, information will be perceived as incomplete because people always talk and engineer are often smart enough to read between the lines. So the transparent umbrella is a great analogy. Communicate bad news as fast and coherently as possible - group meeting with open questions works well for me but be ready to address the potential fears: "In my current assessment, that's not going to be a problem, I'll let you know if that changes." and of course "Thanks for asking, I didn't consider that and I don't know yet. I'll clarify" is a valid answer, if you do indeed clarify.

If you're genuinely stressed with that, talk to your lead about it and they'll find a way to filter a little more while not giving you the feeling of being left out.

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SkyPuncher
39 minutes ago
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This is a good article. In fact one of my favorites now (will be sending it to my peers).

There’s a point buried in it that I increasingly come to believe is missed in nearly every single management book and management advice I’ve read. It’s almost there in point 1, but under “don’t have a PM”.

None of these points matter if you’re not creating value for your company. That is the job of a manager - get your team to create value.

I’ve been increasingly disgruntled with most management advice because it overlooks this key point.

I felt like one of the biggest steps back I took in my career was when one of my companies had our management attend training that taught these skills and then the company emphasized these skills repeatedly. Suddenly my career stagnated. I had managed before, I had led before, I had delivered results before. But my growth came grinding to a halt. I was following all of these tips and tricks while overlooking the implicit thing - deliver value.

In many, the same ways, I’ve become wary of any company beliefs, values, or guidelines that aren’t clearly working towards making the company money. They’re really just distractions for the underlying goal.

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tmarice
2 hours ago
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This kind of EM-focused articles often mention "coaching" and "career growth" -- I always wonder what does this concretely mean. Are they all managing teams of juniors straight out of college?

What can a career EM, or even an engineer-to-EM convert who has been out of the coding game for more than a few years, teach a non-junior engineer on their team?

I understand we can talk and exchange our concrete life experiences, same as I would talk to and listen to any other person, but the word "coaching" implies one party is superior to the other in one very concrete area.

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jampa
2 minutes ago
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There are already some great responses, but I want to add that one effective way to coach senior employees is to give them responsibilities one level above their current role and then provide feedback.

For engineers aiming to move into management or staff engineering, you can assign them a project at the level they aspire to reach and give feedback once they complete it. For example, for an engineer aiming to be an EM, I expect them to lead not only meetings but also all communications related to this project, while I act as their director. Afterwards, I provide feedback.

It doesn't have to be that extensive right away. You can start small, like asking them to lead a roadmap meeting, and then increase responsibilities as they improve. Essentially, create a safe environment for them to grow.

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djb_hackernews
2 hours ago
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I am an EM that manages several senior engineers currently. I find it super common for senior engineers to get promoted mostly on technical merit, we end up thinking the rest "can be coached". Or it's coaching to the next level. Here are some areas I coach them on:

- influencing without authority. Managing up. Leadership.

- getting work prioritized

- providing useful performance feedback (promos etc)

- coaching and giving feedback to early career engineers

- communicating ideas effectively

- developing 1YP+ plans for their areas.

- idk, there are a lot, senior engineers are rarely "complete"

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fleabitdev
37 minutes ago
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> Influencing without authority

> Getting work prioritized

> Developing 1YP+ plans for their areas

I was a little surprised by your list. Aren't these normally the responsibilities of a team lead or a manager? If I were hired as a senior engineer, I'd expect to be involved in group decisions about cross-cutting technical concerns (architecture, choosing languages and frameworks, the code review process), but changing my team's priorities would fall well outside the job description.

If somebody has the power to tell me what to prioritise, it feels topsy-turvy for them to ask me to tell them what they should tell me to prioritise. At that point, why have a leader at all?

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ratorx
8 minutes ago
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Team lead manages the overall direction of the team (and is possibly the expert on some portions), but for an individual subsystem a senior engineer might be the expert.

For work coming from outside the team, it’s sort of upto your management chain and team lead to prioritise. But for internally driven work (tech debt reduction, reliability/efficiency improvements etc) often the senior engineer has a better idea of the priorities for their area of expertise.

Prioritisation between the two is often a bit more collaborative and as a senior engineer you have to justify why thing X is super critical (not just propose that thing X needs to be done).

I view the goal of managers + lead as more balancing the various things the team could be doing (especially externally) and the goal of a senior engineer is to be an input to the process for a specific system they know most about.

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parthdesai
1 hour ago
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I'm sorry, but if a senior engineer needs coaching on getting work prioritized, they are not a senior engineer.
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johngunderman
1 hour ago
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I interpret this comment as talking about prioritization across a broader org. A senior engineer should be able to prioritize inside of their team and adjacent teams. But there is a reason why there are levels of engineer beyond senior - beyond just increased technical judgement, there is increased influence in orgs spanning hundreds or even thousands of engineers.

There is always opportunity for growth in this dimension. For example even the CEO has to build the right skills to convince the board of their priorities.

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GabriDaFirenze
2 hours ago
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Coaching doesn't imply superiority. Most coaching can be done with little to no context and the goal is to guide the other person in finding the right answer on their own. I think you might be confusing coaching with mentoring.

As an example, I attended a coaching training session and when we broke out in groups I played the coach role. The other individual brought up a concrete issue they were having and I was able to unblock them and I never met that person before. I was their guide even though I had no context (but I have experience mentoring and coaching).

I've been a manager for years and there's a lot outside of raw technical ability that a good coach and mentor can keep you honest on. Rarely will you find someone who's reached full potential or who doesn't want to improve at all (maybe surprisingly based on your comment but I have found seniors to be the most eager to grow)

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tl
2 hours ago
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Most of the job is noticing friction and clearing paths — which requires context and trust more than technical superiority.

In practice: Start a note for each engineer you manage. Fred Brooks called this a "career file". Start by writing down things that frustrate them enough to complain about publicly. Add hurdles that come up in their one-on-one. Identify problems you can solve, problems you understand but cannot solve right now and problems you do not understand.

Then put on your PM hat; sort by priority and execute.

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saidinesh5
2 hours ago
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I think the biggest thing I've found myself teaching my younger colleagues is basically the internals of the systems or in what ways some of the things they've written might fail.

I haven't written any production C++ in about 2-3 years and honestly lost track of all the language updates since c++14. But when I explained how the code they write gets translated to assembly and runs on the machines, that's what i felt demystified the large codebases to my younger colleagues.

Same with many other topics - the event loops behind the JavaScript async/await, memory mapped io behind every read/write calls their operating system syscalls, basic data structures/algorithmic complexity behind their DB queries, scenegraphs and graphics APIs behind user interfaces etc... especially when pair programming.

I don't think I'm superior to them in any of these areas. I feel I'm fairly slower than them when writing code in any of these things. I definitely haven't kept up with all the changes in web frameworks or CLI tools or vim plugins. But sharing the behind the scenes knowledge helps them write better code is what i felt.

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addaon
7 minutes ago
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Are you at a company that tends to hire from non-traditional backgrounds? The topics you mention -- the underlying "how it works" of the tech we use to build things day to day -- should be, and in my experience are, the areas where juniors have the clearest understanding relative to more senior engineers, since they just finished 4+ years learning about it five days a week in detail.
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0kl
2 hours ago
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In my experience, I have used coaches that don’t have more technical skill than me, but are able to provide insight, questions, and provoke me to think through my problems in ways I might not have otherwise.

I break things down into coaching vs training vs mentorship.

Training is when you need to learn a very specific skill from someone that knows more than you. A great example is learning how to drive - it requires training from someone who knows more than you.

Mentorship is when you need to grow more holistically and are learning from someone that is significantly more advanced in your chosen area of study than you. Usually this involves not just technical training, but also a mindset that you wish to learn. Examples of this are apprenticeships or when you seek out a mentor that you think has done well and wish to learn from.

Coaching is when someone may not have more technical skill than you, but is still able to help you improve by probing, prompting, reflecting, or observing. A great example are sport coaches, who are not necessarily more skilled than many of the players they coach.

These are loose and blurry definitions, but I hope it helps frame another perspective on coaching.

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tv26101617
2 hours ago
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Top tier sports people still have coaches. Some even have multiple coaches. Musicians have managers.

Unlike coaches for kids/ novices these folks aren’t necessarily better at the craft.

Yet, they (ideally )have a outside perspective that would improve an individual in their craft.

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throwaway173738
1 hour ago
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Coaching in my role is mostly about seeing the person up for promotion and helping them focus on the right stuff for the teams success. Even great senior engineers sometimes lose focus or miss the sentence in s career ladder that doesn’t mesh with what they want to be doing.

I’ve got a senior IC who is always hesitant to reach out to non-engineers, so to coach him I’m constantly asking him to reach out directly. It will improve his impact if he does so.

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__alexs
2 hours ago
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I am not an EM (anymore) but I see a lot of more junior engineers struggle with ambiguity and complex decision making in general.

It is not uncommon to end up in situations where there are not clear right answers and developing the techniques as an individual, and as a technical contributor to navigate these well is tricky.

I don't think this is an EM specific function at all though and is just something more experienced people should be doing for their team. I think the EM definitely has a role in making sure people identify that they could benefit from that kind of help and make sure they find it, but doing the actual coaching is optional.

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devdp430
1 hour ago
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The mindset shift from IC to EM is very complex. And the newly appointed managers don't always know how to not be a programmer when in that role. It sometimes bleeds into the reports' work and damages than helping.

I guess the "coaching" is to understand that mindset shift.

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parthdesai
1 hour ago
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Not an EM, but definitely think a strong technical EM can provide valuable feedback when it comes to system design and data modelling.
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dasil003
1 hour ago
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How does a football coach do their job if they can’t run or throw or block as well as the players?
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idiotsecant
2 hours ago
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Dude, soft skills. 80% of any job, software development especially, is messy human problems. Engineers more than anyone can generally benefit from improving these skills.
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Schlagbohrer
3 hours ago
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Good advice in the last point about interviews. "While you're scheduling the seventh round, good hires are already accepting a job elsewhere." I gave up on a job I was lukewarm about when, after flying me there for an all day site visit and hours and hours of technical interviews, they then wanted me to do 3 days of video calls with various groups around the company! People i could have simply met for 15 minutes in person when I was there. In all the time this took I accepted a much better job closer to home.
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Traster
3 hours ago
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>I wondered, “Who is this feature even for? Who will use it?” No one on my team knew.

I think there's another key here - Don't assume someone else knows something. If you don't know why something is done some way, find out who does and make sure they do. I've been in so many situations where the organization gets complex - person A is loaned over here or person B is working on project X because team Y needed feature Z. So frequently you'll find out that core assumptions have been made because everyone involved was only half-involved and either kind of assumed someone else was taking care of it, or (more frequently) knows the assumption is wrong but is choosing not to say so for political reasons.

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OhMeadhbh
2 hours ago
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When I was in the Marines, we had a rule of thumb that every Marine needed to know their own mission and the mission of units two or three echelons above them. So individual Marines needed to know their mission, their platoon's mission and their company's mission. Company commanders needed to know their mission, their battalion's mission and the division's mission. More specifics for echelons closer to you.

This is complicated by the fact that Marines deploy as MEUs, MEBs and MEFs [1] which aren't "pure" echelons, but it's a rule of thumb and guiding principle more than a hard and fast requirement.

I've ALWAYS been annoyed by engineering organizations that don't think developers at the leaf nodes of the org chart need to know what's going on. Devs may not do anything with the info, but letting people in on what's happening seems to send the message that "management thinks you're important enough to hear what we're working on" and every now and again, individual devs need to make decisions that depend on these more abstract / higher-level goals.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_air%E2%80%93ground_task...

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anarticle
1 hour ago
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My dad is a retired Marine and I learned several things from the NCO system and Marines in general: good leaders (EM/Sergeant) will generally never ask you something they cannot also do (implies they are your peer, even if they are not), and Marine Corps manuals are able to take anyone who can read and make them operate technical things. Their manuals are written in a very direct stepwise way to get people up to speed in doing whatever task they are assigned which I learned early on is just plain good documentation.

Servant leadership works really well when you have high agency individuals, and can grow high agency individuals. I have definitely been on the other side of that with control freak machiavellian / nearly adversarial leaders as well.

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bloomingeek
47 minutes ago
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<Servant leadership works really well when you have high agency individuals, and can grow high agency individuals. I have definitely been on the other side of that with control freak Machiavellian / nearly adversarial leaders as well.>

This. Every time I've lead people, IF they were already or were able to become high agency, we were efficient and capable. Control freak managers were usually guilty of what they obsessed over before they became managers. Good workers always leave bad managers in time, which always hurts the company.

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Schlagbohrer
3 hours ago
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I sympathize with keeping one's mouth shut for political reasons. Having a boss who angrily shouts at anyone who dared use their own brain and offer an idea, I learned to keep my mouth firmly shut even if i saw countless problems coming down the road.
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arendtio
2 hours ago
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It is one thing to do that while you have that boss, but something completely different to keep acting that way even when you have a different boss. The more people you have on a team who keep their mouths shut, the less effective it will be.
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hnthrow0287345
48 minutes ago
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>The most common reason companies fail is creating products that don’t deliver value to users, causing them not to pay.

>“Oh, but I have a PM for that,” you might say. But having a PM is not enough.

It should be, that's literally their job. Developers and EMs shouldn't be doing that part for them.

In the same way developers need to know how to ifs and loops, Product Managers need to find out which features to build and user pains to fix.

Maybe, just maybe, we need to stop raising the bar for interviewing developers and start raising the bar for the other people working with developers, instead of getting developers to compensate for shortfalls.

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Aurornis
8 minutes ago
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I think dividing responsibilities across so many different managers has become too much of an anti-pattern for small and medium sized companies.

The least productive tech companies I worked for in the past decade had a nearly 1:1 ratio of engineers to different manager types. Our teams of 3-4 engineers had to work with our engineering manager, a product manager, a project manager, and a program manager at minimum. If you did UI work you would work with another UI/UX manager.

The minimum timespan to get anything done was measured in quarters. You could expect to have to spend more time scheduling meetings and following up with all your different managers by a factor of 10X or more than time spent doing anything related to code.

Contrast this with another employer I had who was very clear about the fact that we were not a big tech company and we were not going to structure our teams like one. We kept team units small and made them work together as a unit, not a disparate collection of managers that had to be appeased. We shipped a lot and we shipped fast.

We need to stop trying to use complicated and divided management structures everywhere. Companies with small teams and clearly unified management structures will always perform better than the management styles where responsibilities are divided across 5 different people and even basic work requires coordinating all of them through meetings

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derwildemomo
37 minutes ago
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I was wondering about that for a while now - it feels in my last few jobs as an EM, the major part of my work (or rather the most influential one?) was managing, coaching and guiding product. The realization was actually quite simple for me: while hiring in engineering is defined by an sometimes absurd number of interviews, code challenges and so on, product is a case study and you're good: and that doesn't seem to be doing the trick.
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gedy
21 minutes ago
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This is one of the reasons I think the "replace developers with ai" doesn't really fly in reality, as devs/engineers are typically the smartest people in any company I've worked for in a few decades. I don't see how the other folks could pull the weight via prompting.
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AndrewKemendo
41 minutes ago
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There’s a reason you never see posts like: “My jump from BD to software engineer”

I’ve never met a sales person as broadly capable as your average engineer.

The curse of competence is organizational as well

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ghaff
11 minutes ago
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Because your average engineer is so good at creating customer relationships and generating revenue.

Customer relationships are certainly more important in some categories than others but sales is certainly key in a lot of B2B organizations.

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AndrewKemendo
4 minutes ago
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I guarantee I’ll be more successful with a group of engineers doing sales than I would a group of sales people trying to do engineering
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bradley13
25 minutes ago
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"Delegate everything" - delegation is hugely important. But not everything, obviously, as a team lead your responsibility as "transparent umbrella" cannot be delegated.

It also sounds like he is talking mostly about external projects. For internal projects, you really do serve as a shield. One project, I spent my first months teaching the internal customers that they were not allowed to talk to my people. They had become accustomed to telling individual developers "I want feature X", which cause total chaos.

I stood between the customers and my developers - at the beginning, sometimes literally blocking the office door - and said: my team, my job, you talk to me.

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videogreg93
52 minutes ago
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> Everyone needs to care about the Product

This isn't the first time I hear this, but I always have a bit of trouble with this one. It's one thing to take a step back and think about the actual product and how it'll be used, but I think it's presumptuous to think that software engineers know what makes a product good or not. We don't say "Everyone needs to care about software architecture, even Product", so I'm not sure why we think the flip side of that is true.

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SkyPuncher
35 minutes ago
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If you consider product as a proxy for customer, I think it gets a bit easier to understand. Customers don’t care about architecture (unless you have a technical product where they do actually need to know architecture). They don’t care about many of the details. They just want their problem solved.

For software engineers, our goal isn’t to necessarily know what makes good product or not - but we do need to make sure that what we’re building solves an actual customer problem or need.

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1980phipsi
40 minutes ago
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At the end of the day, the goal is to make a product that people find useful. How that ends up happening is almost completely irrelevant to the people actually using the product.
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jofzar
7 hours ago
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Damn, this person looks like a good manager.

These are all things I have seen in my good managers over the years when I had them.

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andros
6 hours ago
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Yes, he has a lot of accumulated experience!
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OhMeadhbh
2 hours ago
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If only all experienced managers could have developed the same amount of understanding.
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lloydatkinson
4 hours ago
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I've had one good manager and I concur. As valuable as gold.
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andreidbr
7 hours ago
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I wholeheartedly agree with point 7 Your goal is for your team to thrive without you.

I spent a lot of time also playing a Scrum Master role in addition to my regular duties. So much so that some managers asked me to pursue this full time. I always explained that my goal is to be there just as a point of contact and that the team should be able to manage itself.

Sadly, I see so many managers, scrum masters, or even regular engineers consider this as a dumb approach to make yourself replaceable. If you don't hoard knowledge then you'll be laid off when the company's numbers look bad.

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DevKit
2 hours ago
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Agreed, I was fortunate enough to learn this lesson early in my management career when I was passed over for a promotion I felt I deserved for someone who's team was able to operate without them. Looking back, I know this is why he got the role rather than me, my team couldn't live without me whereas his could and therefore he could take on the expanded role.
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soulofmischief
6 hours ago
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I've always told my engineers that their job is to get me fired for redundancy.
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pjbster
6 hours ago
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I always say that a job without an end date is a lifestyle.
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OhMeadhbh
2 hours ago
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I'm stealing that one.
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joshcsimmons
37 minutes ago
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Correct on all points! Very well put - you sound like an excellent manager.

As always the difficulty is in getting people outside your team to realize that the 60% cheerleading bit is crucial, many will see this as a waste of time that doesn't create "business value", as if the only business value was measured in lines of code.

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junon
6 hours ago
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This is clearly a good EM. Agreed with pretty much everything, being on the engineering side. Stuff that seems trivial and obvious but that a lot of EMs miss.
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v_CodeSentinal
1 hour ago
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The point about 'no such thing as a free lunch with processes' is something I wish more junior EMs understood.

I've seen so many teams treat process as a pure 'fix', ignoring that it's always a trade-off: you are explicitly trading velocity for consistency. Sometimes that trade is worth it (e.g., payments), but often for internal tools, you're just paying a tax for consistency you don't actually need.

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talkingtab
1 hour ago
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Enough already. The way to determine what kind of manager a person is, is to listen for the context they use. For an extreme hypothetical example, if you hear a manager talk about locking their team in their cells every night, you will know something about their context.

If the manager says "They look to you for leadership and clarity", you know something.

It they quote Jeff Bezo, that provides more definition.

The lesson to learn from this article is not the words, but the context. What is the context you find in this article? How does this person talk about other people? What assumptions are inherent in this article? If you find this normal, what does this say about your assumptions?

What I have learned from my years of being an engineering manager is that the corporate model of software development is fubar.

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quietbritishjim
47 minutes ago
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This comment is a bit dismissive, like all this detail isn't needed. But really it's just because talking about a different thing to the article.

The comment above is just talking about determining whether someone is a good manager. Sure, a basic measure of their actions (which you describe as "context" but I don't think that's what you really mean) is enough. Do they care about the people they manage?

But this article is about how to be a good manager. Assuming you already do care about the people you manage there's a lot more detail to deal with. So yes, the lessons of this article really are in the words. I found it very interesting.

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PlatoIsADisease
1 hour ago
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> How does this person talk about other people?

I find myself referring to my contractors as: Workers.

What does that mean about me?

I can't call them employees. I read the communist stuff a while ago and decided I didn't want to be exploited, so I thought this was just the proper terminology.

But people on the internet loath being called a worker and have called me out on this.

Meanwhile I yoyo between to nice and too hard... I think I'm naturally too nice to the point of failure. I seem to only be 'too hard' for a few months before I go back.

Thank god my industry is high demand, I think even with bad management we will survive. (I got a masters in Engineering Management + read 10 books, but management/supervision orthodoxy is diverse and contradictory.)

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vachina
3 hours ago
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All these properties of a good manager will come naturally with humility.

Because being humble makes you more receptive.

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CBLT
3 hours ago
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I've had great experiences being managed twice by very humble engineers who've made the transition to EM. Both were sacked within the year by their boss because they didn't play the corporate politics game.
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Schlagbohrer
3 hours ago
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It's so disheartening to learn that one works for a manager who doesn't care about having the most skilled team, or best product, but rather someone who has selected for "Who will kiss up to me no matter what? Who will never tell me anything I don't want to hear?"
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palata
3 hours ago
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> That’s why lying or withholding information that affects them causes irreversible damage. They might not leave immediately, but they will resent you. [...] I have a friend who still resents a manager for a lie told three years ago.

Oh yeah. To be fair, it's not only the case for managers. If a colleague lies to me, they lose my trust. But I have never had that... why would a colleague lie to my face or withhold information? That's a thing bad managers do.

When a manager lies to me (or withhold information), it's never one time only; it's the way they work. And when they work like this, they are not in my team. They play against me, so I play against them.

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snarf21
3 hours ago
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There is an old saying that rings true here: "People don't quit jobs, they quit bosses."
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vasco
5 hours ago
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> People above you have limited time to focus on your specific issues. You can’t info dump on them. If they take a misguided action based on what you tell them, it will be your fault

This bit is useful to everyone, and many people never learn it and get jaded about work itself! They paint themselves into a dilbert strip without realizing. And then of course there's also bad bosses, but any work advice is like relationship advice, it really depends on the specific people involved.

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OhMeadhbh
2 hours ago
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> "Most engineers prefer feeling appreciated over having a ping-pong table."

Truer words have never been spoken. Note the OP put the word "Most" in there. Sure... there are a few ping-pong fanatics, but not as many as there are humans who like an emotionally fulfilling work environment.

A related sentence I've uttered is "Most engineers prefer more control over their daily tasks than cash bonuses." But again, the word "Most" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. My experience is no more than 25% of devs will trade cash for micro-management. YMMV.

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andros
6 hours ago
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I completely agree with point 9
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pplonski86
4 hours ago
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Maybe point 9, trust but verify, should be extended to AI coworkers as well. I would love to have tools to verify AI code by quantity.
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jrflowers
3 hours ago
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Whatever human that is in charge of the chat bots is your coworker. That person that is responsible for the output of the bots is the one that you would trust but verify with.
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bravetraveler
7 hours ago
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Whoa an EM that talks to clients? A rare treat. I just got a browbeating because I (an IC) didn't jump at the chance to do more (that) for ~free~ growth. Ahem.

Mind you, we have piles of both kinds of PMs: product, project. Best I can tell, they play video games between calls/status updates. Forgot the blur on more than one occasion. Clownshow, myself included.

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20260126032624
4 hours ago
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11. What works in one country doesn't necessarily work in another.
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satisfice
6 hours ago
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Why do people espouse goals like “not to be needed?” I never understood that. It sounds like LinkedIn virtue signaling. It’s a capitalist talking point along the lines of “I seek to be good and inexpensive capital for my corporate masters.”

My goal is to help my team succeed in such a way as to keep my job or else get a better one. Being “not needed” hardly serves that goal.

Look around you. We are in a world that is turning away from middle managers. Don’t play into their hands.

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dasil003
50 minutes ago
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You’re taking it too literally, it’s not saying don’t be useful, it’s saying don’t make yourself a bottleneck. It’s a very common failure mode for new engineers turned manager, leading to a frustrated team that feels micro-managed and the perception from leadership that you don’t have your shit together and can’t adequately handle the scope you’ve been given.
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Keirmot
6 hours ago
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The way I read it is not to be needed for normal functionality of the team, not to "not be needed" at all. Akin to a ship's captain - for the most part a ship works without a captain just fine, but that doesn't make the captain's job redundant, it's just he's needed for specific occasions, otherwise, he's just making sure the crew works as a well oiled machine.
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mulmboy
6 hours ago
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Because it's a good heuristic for a functional and resilient team. People don't usually means it literally, more like "if I disappeared it should be pretty painless for the team to continue along for a month or so and to find and onboard a replacement".
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ebiester
2 hours ago
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“Don’t be needed” isn’t “don’t be valuable.” The EM should not be a bottleneck. The EM should be able to take a vacation without being paged. (So should anybody on the team!)

My teams would slow down without me because I can due process tasks more efficiently, but nothing demands me to be in the loop.

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ghaff
1 hour ago
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Someone I know used to be pretty senior at a major SV company. Over dinner one night, he told me that the CEO would take vacations with instructions to the effect of "handle it" if something comes up. (Assume it wasn't absolute but that was the basic gist.) Apparently, a new PR head came in and was like "I can't work under that condition" and quickly left.
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onion2k
1 hour ago
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The goal should be to have teams who want you to be supporting them, not need you to be supporting them. Getting teams to the point where they don't need you isn't actually that hard. They might be only performing at 50% effectiveness, but that's fine if the work is getting done. You should build a relationship with the teams so they want you to support them to get to 90% or even more.

If your teams fail to function without your help then you're clearly not supporting them well enough, and you can't take a vacation or go off sick or be promoted. That is not optimal for anyone.

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Rainbooow
5 hours ago
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I think the points made at mostly for a front-line manager though, not so much for a middle manager.
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skirge
5 hours ago
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cause it means: I lead them so good that I do nothing and still get my salary.
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mcapodici
5 hours ago
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the coder's equivalent is not get paged (or bug reports). the system run's itself with no dramas, so I get to work on improving it.
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