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svara

1 minute ago

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I'm a fan of AI coding tools but the trend of adding ever more autonomy to agents confuses me.

The rate at which a person running these tools can review and comprehend the output properly is basically reached with just a single thread with a human in the loop.

Which implies that this is not intended to be used in a setting where people will be reading the code.

Does that... Actually work for anyone? My experience so far with AI tools would have me believe that it's a terrible idea.

Androider

7 minutes ago

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Looks like agent orchestrators provided by the foundation model providers will become a big theme in 2026. By wrapping it in terms that are already used in software development today like team leads, team members, etc. rather than inventing a completely new taxonomy of Polecats and Badgers, will help make it more successful and understandable.

joshribakoff

8 minutes ago

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This is just sub agents, built into Claude. You don’t need 300,000 line tmux abstractions written in go. You just tell Claude to do work in parallel with background sub agents. It helps to have a file for handing off the prompt, tracking progress, and reporting back. I also recommend constraining agents to their own worktrees. I am writing down the pattern here https://workforest.space while nearly everyone is building orchestrators i also noticed claude is already the best orchestrator for claude.

2 minutes ago

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Claude already had subagents. This is a new mode for the main agent to be in (bespoke context oriented to delegation), combined with a team-oriented task system and a mailbox system for subagents to communicate with each other. All integrated into the harness in a way that plugins can't achieve.

https://xcancel.com/NicerInPerson/status/2014989679796347375

codethief

1 hour ago

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In his second post he included a link to GitHub: https://github.com/mikekelly/claude-sneakpeek

25 minutes ago

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Everyone is wrapping Claude Code in Tmux and claiming they are a magician. I am not so good at marketing but I've done this here https://github.com/mohsen1/claude-code-orchestrator

Mine also rotate between Claude or Z.ai accounts as they ran out of credits

bicx

16 minutes ago

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Well good sir, I _am_ a tmux magician.

20 minutes ago

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I think you've misunderstood what this is.

17 minutes ago

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Sorry, you're right. went through the code and understood now. I'm going to try the patch. Claude Code doing team work natively would be amazing!

Honestly if people in AI coding write less hype-driven content and just write what they mean I would really appreciate it.

neom

1 hour ago

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Claude Code in the desktop app seems to do this? It's crazy to watch. It sets of these huge swarms of worker readers under master task headings, that go off and explore the code base and compile huge reports and todo lists, then another system behind the scenes seems to be compiling everything to large master schemas/plans. I create helper files and then have a devops chat, a front end chat, an architecture chat and a security chat, and once each it done it's work it automatically writes to a log and the others pick up the log (it seems to have a system reminder process build in that can push updates from other chats into other chats. It's really wild to watch it work, and it's very intuitive and fun to use. I've not tried CLI claude code only claude code in the desktop app, but desktop app sftp to a droplet with ssh for it to use the terminal is a very very interesting experience, it can seem to just go for hours building, fixing, checking it's own work, loading it's work in the browser, doing more work etc all on it's own - it's how I built this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46724896 in 3 days.

jswny

36 minutes ago

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That’s just spawning multiple parallel explore agents instructed to look at different things, and then compiling results

That’s a pretty basic functionality in Claude code

neom

33 minutes ago

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Sounds like I should probably switch to claude code cli. Thanks for the info. :)

deaux

55 minutes ago

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Sounds very similar to oh-my-opencode.

basedrum

43 minutes ago

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How is this different from GSD: https://github.com/glittercowboy/get-shit-done

I've been using that and it's excellent

40 minutes ago

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a similar question was asked elsewhere in the thread; the difference is that this is tightly integrated into the harness

MetaMonk

58 minutes ago

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A guy who worked at docker on docker swarm now works at Anthropic so makes sense

16 minutes ago

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Swarm is actually OpenAI's terminology https://github.com/openai/swarm

brookst

29 minutes ago

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Probably a beekeeper in spare time

MetaMonk

25 minutes ago

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He's really into APIary things

wild_pointer

1 hour ago

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Listen team lead and the whole team, make this button red.

brookst

26 minutes ago

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Principal engineers! We need architecture! Marketing team, we need ads with celebrities! Product team, we need a roadmap to build on this for the next year! ML experts, get this into the training and RL sets! Finance folks, get me annual forecasts and ROI against WACCC! Ops, we’ll need 24/7 coverage and a guarantee of five nines. Procurement, lock down contracts. Alright everyone… make this button red!

1 hour ago

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ha! The default system prompt appears to give the main agent appropriate guidance about only using swarm mode when appropriate (same as entering itself into plan mode). You can further prompt it in your own CLAUDE.md to be even more resistant to using the mode if the task at hand isn't significant enough to warrant it.

dlojudice

1 hour ago

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It feels like Auto-GPT, BabyAGI, and the like were simply ahead of their time

woeirua

1 hour ago

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Had to wait for the models to catch up...

https://github.com/ruvnet/claude-flow

engates

1 hour ago

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Isn't this pretty much what Ruv has been building for like two years?

1 hour ago

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The difference is that this is tightly integrated into the harness. There's a "delegation mode" (akin to plan mode) that appears to clear out the context for the team lead. The harness appears to be adding system-reminder breadcrumbs into the top of the context to keep the main team lead from drifting, which is much harder to achieve without modifying the harness.

estearum

1 hour ago

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It's insane to me that people choose to build anything in the perimeter of Claude Code (et al). The combination of the fairly primitive current state of them and the pace at which they're advancing means there is a lot of very obvious ideas/low-hanging fruit that will soon be executed 100x better by the people who own the core technology.

1 hour ago

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yeah I tend to agree. They're must be reaching the point where they can automate the analysis of claude code prompts to extract techniques and build them directly into the harness. Going up against that is brave!

lysace

1 hour ago

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I'm already burning through enough tokens and producing more code than can be maintained - with just one claude worker. Feel like I need to move into the other direction, more personal hands-on "management".

stuaxo

14 minutes ago

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If there's any kind of management some of it could use small local models - e.g. to see when it looks like its stuck.

49 minutes ago

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I've seen more efficient use of tokens by using delegation. Unless you continually compact or summarise and clear a single main agent - you end up doing work on top of a large context; burning tokens. If the work is delegated to subagents they have a fresh context which avoids this whilst improving their reasoning, which both improve token efficiency.

storystarling

43 minutes ago

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I've found the opposite to be true when building this out with LangGraph. While the subagent contexts are cleaner, the orchestration overhead usually ends up costing more. You burn a surprising amount of tokens just summarizing state and passing it between the supervisor and workers. The coordination tax is real.

36 minutes ago

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Task sizing is important. You can address this by including guidance in the CLAUDE.md around that ie. give it heuristics to use to figure out how to size tasks. Mine includes some heuristics and T shirt sizing methodology. Works great!

tom2948329494

1 hour ago

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And… how?

1 hour ago

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The feature is shipped in the latest builds of claude code, but it's turned off by a feature flag check that phones home to the backend to see if the user's account is meant to have it on. You can just patch out the function in the minified cli.js that does this backend check and you gain access to the feature.

bonsai_spool

1 hour ago

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Do you know what patch to apply? The Github link from the OP seems to have a lot of other things included.

https://github.com/numman-ali/cc-mirror/commit/0408f60bd7c75...

19 minutes ago

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Way too much code for such a small patch

57 minutes ago

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it's my repo - it's a fork of cc-mirror which is an established project for parallel claude installs. I wanted to take the least disruptive approach for the sake of using working code and not spelunking through bugs. Having said that - if you look through the latest commits you'll see how the patch works, it's pretty straightforward - you could do it by hand if you wanted.

nehalem

1 hour ago

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Answering the question how to sell more tokens per customer while maintaining ~~mediocre~~ breakthrough results.

1 hour ago

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Delegation patterns like swarm lead to less token usage because:

1. Subagents doing work have a fresh context (ie. focused and not working on the top of a larger monolithic context) 2. Subagents enjoying a more compact context leads to better reasoning, more effective problem solving, less tokens burned.

nulone

16 minutes ago

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Merge cost kills this. Does the harness enforce file/ownership boundaries per worker, and run tests before folding changes back into the lead context?