Fedora Asahi Remix is now working on Apple M3
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internetter
3 hours ago
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I would just like to point out that Michael Reeves (the poster, no relation to youtuber) is a high schooler who has also found numerous high impact vulnerabilities in Apple software. Immensely talented.
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iknowstuff
3 hours ago
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How many peaked with our curiosity and exploration software engineering as teenagers and subsequently got ground down by 9to5 corporate soul drain T_T
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nout
2 hours ago
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It's not business critical to answer your curiosity now. File it as a ticket, put it on a backlog and move on.
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bsimpson
1 hour ago
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I remember being a teenager and intentionally dialing down my ambitions, because it was socially uncomfortable to have people's perceptions of me be tied to the things I excelled in.

Figured I had my whole life to have a job, so didn't really wanna do a startup or anything like that. Watched all the Macworld et. al. keynotes and knew all the specs of all the devices, until I got tired of being pigeonholed as "the computer kid."

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banku_brougham
56 minutes ago
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This is an urgently dark pattern to avoid for parents, but I feel helpless as my own development was heckuv random
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benoau
3 hours ago
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Just take the top ticket, thanks.
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varispeed
1 hour ago
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If you have brilliant mind, but you were born poor / working class, then sure you'll be crushed by 9 to 5 inevitably, where your talents will be ruthlessly "harvested" for the benefits of shareholders until you burn out and get thrown out like a used rag.

If you have talents, use them to achieve financial freedom and then do what you want. Sometimes it is through 9 to 5 unfortunately. Never make a mistake of "climbing corporate ladder". Earn money, invest, don't try to leave beyond your means.

You might have great salary, but don't get tempted by renting a nice pad or getting a nice car. It's a trap to keep you enslaved in 9 to 5 forever.

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sysworld
1 hour ago
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Yep this. Avoid lifestyle creep (when you get raises). Invest your money (e.g. world passive mutual fund, or VT ETF). Don't sell investments when the market crashes, just ride it out (assuming you bought diversified fund). Don't stock pick, it's largely gambling and 99% of people can't beat the market doing it. If you must stock pick, do at most, 5% of your investments. Avoid actively managed/high fee mutual funds/ETFs. Research clearly shows, long term they do worse then the market. (And if there is an active fund that does end up beating the market long term, you have no way of knowing which fund that would be ahead of time)

The Millionaire Next Door is a great book, and gives a good perspective on money.

If anyone here is interested, Google the FIRE movement (Financial Independence, Retire Early). Even just doing the first 2 letters, Financial Independence, would be huge, and give you way more flexibility.

When/if you retire early, keep doing things to keep your mind and body active. Most people who retire stop doing the things that kept them healthy, and there body deteriorates quickly (with xyz illnesses).

The sad true is that, for many, work forces them to do the basics to keep your body running ok.

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erxam
48 minutes ago
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But what's the point of it being long-term? I want fuck-off money right now. What's the point of having a bit of money when I'm old, can barely leave the house and everyone and everything I cared about is long gone?

Why do I want to have a million in the bank by age 70 if I'm going to kill myself by age 30-35?

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nick__m
4 minutes ago
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How old are you ? I used to espouse similar view but now that I am past 40, I regret not starting investing in my 20 and see myself living well into my 80's.

That punk-ish no future mentality usually dampen past 30-35!

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nntwozz
4 minutes ago
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70 is the new 30 didn't you get the memo?
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zozbot234
57 minutes ago
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> Yep this. Avoid lifestyle creep (when you get raises). Invest your money

This is great advice anyway, even if you were born poor/working class. With the added proviso that you should be paying down your debt, highest interest rate first, since that will have far higher returns than your average investment. Also make sure that you have enough liquid cash set aside that you'll be able to deal quickly and completely with any issues that might come up; this makes a significant difference to your ability to live and work stress-free.

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banku_brougham
55 minutes ago
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Adding my voice of concurrence, I would say 'Comrade' but people take it the wrong way.
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HumblyTossed
1 hour ago
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But how much wealthier are you?
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mid-kid
2 hours ago
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It stings how much I relate to this.
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fellowniusmonk
3 hours ago
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I was born with heart defects and pre ACA had to be a wage slave to get health insurance.

The moment ACA happened I started several successful businesses.

Honestly we already should have contribution/impact based merit threshold UBI with a much lower barrier than research grants or even just time limited UBI systems for youth and adults that meet a contribution threshold.

VC allocation is too biased towards group think, profit motivation, predatory contracts and hold on to top many class and cultural artifacts.

Yes of course it would be difficult to implement but difficult isn't impossible and gradiated rollouts can help catch unintended side effects. We need to push more money into the hands of the intrinsically motivated. Society already is catering to the whims of consumers and feed zombies.

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AndrewDucker
3 hours ago
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Or you could have universal healthcare. Which everyone else seems to manage and would untie a lot of people from specific jobs.
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zozbot234
1 hour ago
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Other places can only afford universal healthcare to begin with because their healthcare sector is not nearly as corrupt or shackled by a huge amount of government regulation that was only put in place here for self-serving reasons. It's not about the model of provision, it's about whether the sector itself is sustainable. U.S. healthcare is doomed by its vast spiraling costs even after controlling for its supposedly higher quality.
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Noaidi
35 minutes ago
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> healthcare sector is not nearly as corrupt or shackled by a huge amount of government regulation

Healthcare is not corrupt. Insurance companies are corrupt.

And regulation is lacking in Health Insurance and enforcement is lacking in healthcare. (So many doctors that have committed malpractice just switch hospitals.

> U.S. healthcare is doomed by its vast spiraling costs even after controlling for its supposedly higher quality.

Healthcare costs are high because of insurance companies and private equity, not doctors and hospitals.

So please stop with these right wing baby bird food regurgitation.

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zozbot234
8 minutes ago
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> Healthcare is not corrupt. Insurance companies are corrupt.

¿Porqué no los dos? Guess what, it's a lot more likely that insurance companies will go corrupt if what they interact with - healthcare - is corrupt.

> private equity, not doctors and hospitals.

Guess what is limiting private equity's ability to compete amongst themselves in driving costs lower for the ultimate stakeholders i.e. patients? That's right: doctors, hospitals (including those that are nominally not-for-profit, but where the profits just become salary for those who can control that flow of money) and government regulation.

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lotsofpulp
1 hour ago
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> Or you could have universal healthcare.

No, they could not have, based on the voting records of the previous 30 years of the federal US Congress. Even what they have passed only by the skin on their teeth.

The only federal wealth redistribution policy in the US in my lifetime of almost 4 decades only had a 6 month window of passing in 2009. And half the population still hates it, and has worked and succeeded at gutting major parts of it.

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christkv
2 hours ago
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Even better you can have both like a lot of countries in Europe. The access to public healthcare also keeps the premium down. Extensive cover for a family of four is less than 200 in Spain a month out of pocket.
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cladopa
1 hour ago
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Actually in Spain Social Security is 30 to 40% of what you earn. From the remainder 60% it is up to 50% in IRPF taxes, so you could pay 70% of what you earn.

The trick is that Franco hid the social security tax in the company side so normal people don't see it, but it is there.

Over that there is IBI for your house, there is IVA on anything you buy, and there are central bank inflation taxing anything you own in absolute terms.

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avadodin
12 minutes ago
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Europe always overcharging and underdelivering.

I am forever thankful for the Socialism that allowed me to get a degree for $3k, though.

The downside is of course over-enrollment but at least the bartenders didn't come out $50k into debt. I hear it is different now.

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fellowniusmonk
3 hours ago
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I can't think of any credible reason not to have universal healthcare at this point.

Maybe 20 years ago but there is too much empirical data across multiple countries and environments now.

Assuming our cost for care drops commiserate to what's been seen in other countries we could use the saving to increase merit scholarships for the contributing young as a introductory form of UBI.

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scns
2 hours ago
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> I can't think of any credible reason not to have universal healthcare at this point.

When you grab em by their Amygdala, the naked monkeys will do what you want. Even to their own detriment.

As soon as they are in fight-or-flight-mode, (most) people cannot be reasoned with.

Sad but true

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throw0101a
2 hours ago
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> When you grab em by their Amygdala, the naked monkeys will do what you want. Even to their own detriment.

Even to their own death (and the death of friends/family):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_of_Whiteness

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40697553-dying-of-whiten...

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giancarlostoro
2 hours ago
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It sounds like a great idea, then a government shut down happens.
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PygmySurfer
8 minutes ago
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> It sounds like a great idea, then a government shut down happens.

How about fixing the government so it can’t be shut down because a few hundred politicians can’t agree on the next budget?

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throw0101a
1 hour ago
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> It sounds like a great idea, then a government shut down happens.

Single payer / universal healthcare ≠ doctors/nurses are government employees (necessarily).

You go to your local health care provider, show your card, and received treatment. The single payer (government) then gets billed and money is transferred to the providers account.

If the government is shutdown, there could be a delay in payment in outstanding bills, but that does not mean health care providers shutdown. Medicare ran during the last shutdown:

* https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/government-shutdo...

* Telehealth was: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/medicare-patients-go-wit...

Social Security cheques went out too:

* https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-security-government-shut...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_federal_gov...

Lots of stuff can potentially be automated, and so continue to run.

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9x39
38 minutes ago
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It's possible for some of that to continue, but we really don't know what would happen if we directly connect payrolls and finances of the healthcare industry to the federal government in the US. It's a fair question how such a big connection would suffer when the government is punitively closed in a faustian bargain as part of a political struggle, as seems to be common recently.

There might be a few top-down emergency provisions to ensure checks go out to keep the system from toppling, but I wouldn't work if my pay is frozen and neither would my plumber, electrician, lawyer, etc. The last few shutdowns have run over a month - that can easily exceed the cash reserves of most businesses (that would be providers) and large businesses would shutter or have layoffs before burning that much cash.

We can't be so confident in how a $5T/year system would react if its primary cash flow valve is turned off, is all. Handwaving away the scope and complexity doesn't help anything.

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jacquesm
1 hour ago
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What surprises me - even after decades of wondering about this - is how rare the intrinsically motivated people are.
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mistrial9
1 hour ago
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How many went ChaosKlub and found themselves on the run?
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preisschild
3 hours ago
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Me. Got countless old servers as a teenager and self hosted as much as possible. Now I have enough money for new servers (well, besides memory...) but not enough time and energy.
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PlatoIsADisease
1 hour ago
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Why not start your own software company?

I made big money in my 20s, I can retire. Now I just play and gamble on my company to go from ~2M to 100M.

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xeonmc
3 hours ago
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If I get a nickel every time a high schooler with a decorated history of hardware tinkering goes on to work on Linux for Apple Silicon, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird they all happens to gravitate to Apple.
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mid-kid
2 hours ago
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They used to go work on homebrew for nintendo consoles instead. Times change.
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fragmede
2 hours ago
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It's genuinely nice hardware, and everyone's gotta have a hobby. But it's not all of them. Geohot did some hardware stuff and hasn't (afaik) been working on Asahi. Linus was 21 when Linux was first released. Of course, Apple silicon ARM laptops didn't exist in the wild then, so we can let both of those pass.
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matthewfcarlson
2 hours ago
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My personal conspiracy theory is that they're actually the same person, perhaps with some time traveling hijinks?
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avadodin
3 minutes ago
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I would never buy a Mac, but what's the issue with supporting Mx processors?

Are they a generic ARM platform or something highly proprietary with ISA extensions and the like?

And if Apple is pulling a Nintendo here why is this project allowed to exist in the first place? It's not like they are getting hit with an anti-trust any time soon.

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bsimpson
1 hour ago
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Related but not:

I'm a lifelong Mac user who now has a KDE device courtesy of SteamOS. What are the best options for porting Mac default keybindings over to KDE?

I'm using SteamOS and Nix/Home Manager, so I have a preference for something that I can easily use in that environment (e.g. nothing that needs me to unlock the system partition or run as another user).

I tried asking Gemini to find where KDE stores its default keybindings, and came up short.

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terhechte
2 minutes ago
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KDE has a setting to switch the cmd & command keys so that e.g. command+c copies instead of ctrl+c. This works in all KDE apps (it will not work if you install any Gnome/GTK app, though). I forgot the setting but its something in advanced and used to be called Emacs key binds, but now I think it just refers to the keys.

Anyways, beyond that, have a look at Kinto which tries to do everything in one box, but it is an additional software you have to run:

https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto

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cies
8 minutes ago
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There's a folder where KDE stores your user's settings. Shortcuts are in their own file...

For me it's `/home/$USER_NAME/.config/kglobalshortcutsrc`

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kamranjon
54 minutes ago
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Asahi is one of the projects I support monetarily cause I really hope that one day I can run linux natively on my M4 max with GPU acceleration. They did an amazing job with M1 and M2 - great to see they are still pushing forward after the departure of Alyssa Rosenzweig, who did a lot of the work on the GPU support for those.

Edit: Here is their donation page if you're interested in chipping in as well: https://opencollective.com/asahilinux

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jsheard
4 hours ago
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Does anyone know if M3 support is likely to lead to M4 or M5 support in relatively short order? AIUI M3 took a long time because it was a substantial departure from M1/M2, especially in the GPU architecture, but I don't know if M4 or M5 made similar leaps.
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adgjlsfhk1
3 hours ago
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The main reason M3 took a long time isn't related to m3 itself, but rather that the asahi project took on a ton of tech debt to get M1/M2 working. M3 wasn't too difficult, but before taking on the additional tech debt, the Asahi team focused on getting all of their changes upstreamed to the linux kernel.
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monocasa
3 hours ago
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The main developer was also the target of a harassment campaign from a place that has pushed other targets to straight up suicide. That took almost all of their energy for the last year and they ended up quitting.
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xattt
2 hours ago
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   > The main developer was also the target of a harassment campaign from a place that has pushed other targets to straight up suicide.
Is this the Torvalds/Hector dispute that comes on the Google AI summary, or was this a three-letter agency type of harassment faced by Aaron Swartz?
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gpm
2 hours ago
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Neither actually... It was an anti trans/kiwi farms brigade...

The Torvalds dispute probably came about in part because of defensive behavior triggered this brigade but was really unrelated.

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alright2565
2 hours ago
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Anti-trans hate.
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ggljejejj
1 hour ago
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Trans hate.
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OJFord
31 minutes ago
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GP definitely meant the same thing, i.e. 'hate [that is] anti-transsexualism' to your 'hate [against] transsexualism'.
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tgtweak
3 hours ago
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Prognosis is then that work for m4/m5 should be relatively straight line now that refactoring is done?
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OGEnthusiast
3 hours ago
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M4 is apparently even harder because of some new hardware-level page table protections.

Source from Asahi contributor: https://social.treehouse.systems/@sven/114278224116678776

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eddyg
3 hours ago
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worldsavior
2 hours ago
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It's "Secure Page Table Monitor". https://support.apple.com/en-il/guide/security/sec8b776536b/.... The kernel requires it so they need to emulate SPTM.
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eddyg
1 hour ago
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Thanks!
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zozbot234
3 hours ago
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The M5 reportedly has a newer generation GPU compared to the M3/M4. For one thing, the GPU-side Neural Accelerators are obviously new to the M5 series. Other stuff is harder to know for sure until it gets looked into from a technical POV.
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mananaysiempre
3 hours ago
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It’s not like neural accelerators on non-Apple consumer hardware get much use on Linux, either, so that does not sound like much of a dealbreaker.
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wtallis
2 hours ago
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The matrix/tensor math units added to GPUs do see widespread use, both for running LLMs and for the ML-based upscaling used by most video games these days (eg. NVIDIA DLSS). The NPUs that are separate from the GPU and designed more with efficiency in mind rather than raw performance are a different thing, and that's what's still looking for a killer app in spite of all the marketing effort.
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SirMaster
2 hours ago
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Is there a reason why it's so hard to support newer M chips after supporting an older one? Like so much harder than supporting a new generation Intel or AMD chip doesn't seem too hard in comparison.
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thfuran
2 hours ago
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Because Intel/AMD regularly contribute kernel changes to maintain support for their own hardware, whereas Apple keeps making undocumented changes that Asahi has to reverse engineer.
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saurik
1 hour ago
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I don't think that's it, as we usually don't even have to update the kernel: when I get a new PC, my old software still boots and runs. The answer has to also provide some analogous note that, unlike new x86 hardware having an interest in still being able to run old versions of Windows, new Apple hardware (maybe... one must presume for the story to be consistent) must not really care about being able to boot old copies of macOS.
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mschuster91
1 hour ago
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> unlike new x86 hardware having an interest in still being able to run old versions of Windows

The "secret sauce" is... we're not speaking about "x86" systems, at least as long as UEFI doesn't enter the game. In fact what we're talking about is "IBM PC-compatible x86" and its BIOS that provides ultra-low-level interfaces for input and output (including a very very basic USB stack). These can then be used to continuously load higher level systems.

Basically what you start with in the BIOS land is the boot sector, you got barely enough code capacity that you have input from the disk and text console output. That you can use to load a second stage bootloader (e.g. GRUB, NTLDR) which now has better knowledge of filesystems, maybe even enough of the driver to bring the GPU up with the basic VESA interface. And that then loads the actual operating system which brings up the rest of the system - proper GPU, a full featured USB stack, you name it. And layered in between that is ACPI for dynamic hardware discovery.

UEFI based systems can skip a lot of the slow early code used to boot in BIOS - it hands over directly to the OS itself in the best case, or to a high-level bootloader such as the modern Windows bootloader that can do all sorts of magic.

In contrast, the ARM world sucks hardcore - there are no standards for board bringup and boundaries, there is only DeviceTree which replaces a very small part of the wonder/hellscape that is ACPI. And that is something even Apple couldn't get rid of. Hell, you can't even be sure it's the CPU that brings everything up - there are weird systems like Broadcom's VideoCore architecture that underpins the Raspberry Pi, where the video chip part of the SoC handles bringing up the ARM CPU.

Basically, x86 has a ton of legacy and warts but for that, backwards compatibility and to a degree even forwards compatibility is a thing. ARM in contrast... it's like if you let a bunch of drugged up monkeys loose.

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SirMaster
1 hour ago
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I've definitely ran older kernels of Linux on new Intel/AMD CPUs where the kernel release vastly pre-date the CPU release.
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yonatan8070
1 hour ago
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I've found that doing this on laptops is often more problematic, the OS itself will usually boot fine, but you might have issues with drivers for supporting hardware like the GPU, audio, etc.
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sroussey
2 hours ago
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M1/M2 were pretty similar.

M3 had gigantic GPU changes.

M4 had some security stuff added, and M5 much more so. Not sure how/if those can be disabled. Others can be explain why this matters better than I can.

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worldsavior
2 hours ago
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They change the arch and add new features all the time. In M4 they added new kernel protections which now they need to somehow emulate.
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zer0zzz
2 hours ago
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1) Intel and AMD help to implement support in Linux before their chips even ship. Actually a sanitized version of the Intel graphics ISA bspec is actually available to the OSS community too.

Apple on the other hand provides no support. The one nice thing they did do is allow their bootloader to boot non-apple signed OSes. They do not do this on iPhones, iPads, Apple TVs, Watches, or homepods btw.

2) The GPU ISA changes drastically and often. Its not entirely uncommon for the entire instruction set to change entirely within one generation. Every change to the ISA would require an entire round of new reverse engineering (I suspect, ive never reversed).

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yonatan8070
1 hour ago
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I do wonder why Apple chooses not to lock down the Mac to just Mac OS like all their other hardware? I'm sure the sales from people who intend to run something other than MacOS look like a floating-point error on the scales Apple operates.
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prmoustache
18 minutes ago
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You replied to your own question. Locking down the system for 3 users worldwide and making sure it stays locked is not worth the effort.

Just not publishing the specs is enough to delay so much the effort that those machines are out of warranty and have depreciated so much by the time they are supported that they aren't competitors to the mac ecosystem anymore.

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intrasight
33 minutes ago
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They don't because it's a floating-point error now. But with the continued enshitification of MacOS, it likely won't be in the future, and they just may lock it down. But being so hostile to the hacking community would do more harm than good, so I doubt that they would do so even if Linux use on Macs grew to >1%.
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throw0101a
1 hour ago
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Is there any kind of multi-boot support if someone wants to mainly run macOS but checkout Linux on M-chips 'part time'?
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treesknees
1 hour ago
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Yes, in fact deleting the MacOS install is not a supported way to run the system.

https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/faq/#can-i-dual-boot-asa...

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Encounter
1 hour ago
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Yes, it installs into a separate partition and you choose whether to boot into macOS or Linux.
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jaredcwhite
1 hour ago
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I've been running Asahi Fedora GNOME on a Mac mini M1 for some while now (using it right now in fact) with almost zero complaints. A really solid and usable setup. I could see myself buying a used MacBook Air M3 down the road once this work is all finished up, which is very exciting. The prices are already pretty reasonable, even for a 16GB RAM model!
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weinzierl
2 hours ago
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Relevant 39C3 talk from three weeks ago:

Porting Linux to Apple Silicon

https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-asahi-linux-porting-linux-to-app...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3OAiOfCcYFM

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jojomodding
16 minutes ago
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This talk in particular explains the challenges with M4 and M5 chips, but also a lot more.
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delduca
20 minutes ago
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Is there a way to make a clean Asahi Linux installation?
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Retr0id
2 hours ago
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This is super cool and a big achievement, although it's worth noting that this is with llvmpipe graphics (i.e. CPU not GPU).

Although, I was daily-driving Asahi on an M1 Pro before GPU support was here and it was very usable.

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dralley
4 hours ago
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Nice! Good to hear that progress is still being made, I know it was on pause for a bit as developers rotated out and there was an effort to get things upstreamed.
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drBonkers
3 hours ago
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Can anyone point me to a good report of the current working status and known drawbacks of Asahi on Apple Silicon? Would there ever be a reason to run it on a Mac Mini or Apple desktop device? Or at that point would you just get a Linux box?
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kreetx
3 hours ago
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ncrmro
3 hours ago
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I’ve managed to get NixOS running on an 8gb MacBook air which tools a bit of tweaks but asahi installer sets everything up where you can boot and install from NixOS
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kreetx
3 hours ago
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Could you expand/explain, you install Asahi first and then NixOS?
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0xADD1E
2 hours ago
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More or less- Due to the amount of unusual requirements for installing on Apple hardware (such as being kicked off from macOS, to name the tip of the iceberg) the Asahi installer gets used for most (all?) distros running on Apple Silicon. https://asahilinux.org/docs/alt/policy/#installation-procedu...

edit: The minimal UEFI part of the Asahi installer specifically sets up a “normal” environment that other distros (like Nix) can use, it doesn’t actually install a full distro like Asahi Fedora

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volemo
3 hours ago
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Asahi includes a shell script that you run from macOS before installation to properly partition the storage (it’s quite involved). I guess, GP ran the script and then just booted from Nix ISO and installed to the new partition.
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dylan604
3 hours ago
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> Or at that point would you just get a Linux box?

What exactly is a Linux box? If you're running Linux on an M3, is it not now a Linux box?

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emodendroket
3 hours ago
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Considering how far behind they are of new releases of hardware I'd imagine the most appealing use case is going to be trying to squeeze some more life out of outdated hardware that struggles running the latest Apple software. But that's kind of the sweet spot for a Linux desktop anyway, isn't it?
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swiftcoder
1 hour ago
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Does an M3 struggle to run the latest Apple software? I'm running an M2 Pro as my daily driver, and I doubt this thing will need replacing this side of ~5 years
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sysworld
1 hour ago
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I've got a MacBook Air M2 and it's still zoom'n along fine. I did get 24GB RAM, which I'm sure helps... run Chrome :)
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zozbot234
4 hours ago
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Does this include the newer M3 ultra? Huge news if true!
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n0n0n4t0r
3 hours ago
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According to Asahi's own documentation, they're far from done from the M3. So I guess "now working" is probably a bit misleading...

https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m3/#tab...

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michaelRostom
3 hours ago
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I understand where you are coming from, I think the major hurdle was getting it boot and fixing M3 specific things. Now that it is working, they can port over their driver very easily (they might just work or need a small tweak)
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n0n0n4t0r
3 hours ago
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Thank you for the clarification!
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zozbot234
3 hours ago
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I'm not sure that this list is updated; this is breaking news, and documenting stuff takes longer than that.
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umanwizard
3 hours ago
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True. Nevertheless, the fact that it even boots, after many years of it not working at all, is huge news.
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swiftcoder
1 hour ago
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> after many years of it not working at all

And by "many", we of course mean "2", because the M3 was only released 2 years ago.

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umanwizard
2 minutes ago
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Wow, you're absolutely right. Not sure why it felt like longer to me.
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jacquesm
1 hour ago
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Do the M-series have better wifi support than the last Intel range?
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codepoet80
2 hours ago
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Have they fixed the touchy trackpad issues? Super impressive work, and I want to want this, but...
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drcode
2 hours ago
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I've been using it for over a year, if there are any trackpad issue now, I haven't noticed any
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dtartarotti
3 hours ago
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Promising progress, I'm excited to try it when they get more things working on M3 Pro
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drcongo
2 hours ago
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This is great news. If Apple ever get around to releasing actually pro M5 MBPs I'm buying one and turning this M1 MBP into a linux laptop.
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electronsoup
4 hours ago
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oh awesome! I had assumed they were just targeting M1/M2 for the time being
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saubeidl
1 hour ago
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If anyone else wants the closest thing to a MBP running Linux without waiting for Asahi to fully work, I can highly recommend the HP ZBook G1A.

* It has an all-aluminium chassis that feels a lot like a MBP.

* Hardware all works - fingerprint reader, webcam, suspend etc etc. Takes a bit of work, but all works in the end. Helps that HP ships them with Ubuntu as official option.

* Strix Halo chipset, which is basically AMD's attempt at an Apple Silicon type design. Single big chip, with unified LPDDR5X-8000 RAM (up to 128GB!) shared between CPU and GPU (which is surprisingly strong as well, 40 CU!). This thing is a beast for local LLMs!

Only downside really is the battery life. I haven't played around with it too much, I think there's a bit more room with custom tuned profiles, but rn I get like maybe 6 hours on a good day?

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zamadatix
1 hour ago
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I also have an Apple M4 MacBook Pro from Work and an HP ZBook G1a for my personal. I used to have an Asahi MacBook but switched over with the lack of M3/M4 support. Some extra compare/contrast:

- The build quality of each are excellent. The touchpad on the G1a is probably the closest to a MacBook touchpad I've seen and it even manages to boast an OLED screen. On the other hand, the G1a is only available as a 14" option.

- Strix Halo will still leave you wishing it were Apple Silicon in pretty much every case except "I need to run a x86 native app/VM". It's certainly the best alternative, but you definitely trade away to go to it. You can load large LLMs (I have the 128 GB version for non-AI reasons) but they only run ~3x faster than a laptop without a GPU would because 256 GB/s still ends up being a big bandwidth limit. If you do actually do this regularly, then prepare to hear the fans and look for your power adapter as it does get quite hot doing so.

- Speaking of power adapter... you need either a 100 W or 140 W charger + USB C to be able to charge the G1a while you use it. If you want to use a lower wattage adapter you need to power off, or it seems to draw 0 W out of spite.

- It's massively refreshing to have a normal UEFI bootup process, and as long as you have a current kernel the hardware support is indeed pretty great on the G1a. Between the two, the G1a has better supported than the M1 w/ Asahi - as one would expect for a corporation officially supporting Linux vs a fan project.

If I were to do it all again, I'd say I might have either just gotten an M2 Pro for Asahi or an M4 w/ macOS and a Linux VM as needed. Part of going for an x86 laptop was to be able to dual boot into games with strict DRM, but after trying multiple versions of AMD graphics driver for the 8060s it was more a frustration in random stutters and I ended up not gaming on it as much as I have on other laptops anyways. Bazzite does work great though, just not with all of the different DRMs or games.

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2OEH8eoCRo0
4 hours ago
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Displayport alt mode? Thunderbolt?
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fainpul
3 hours ago
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At least for M1 they got it working. Seems to be in testing phase now. Promised to come soon.

https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-asahi-linux-porting-linux-to-app...

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someNameIG
13 minutes ago
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That's great. The only reason I haven't got it on my M1 Air yet.
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michaelRostom
3 hours ago
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From that video "Our goal is to make this [dp-altmode] generally available to all people sometime early in the next year [2026]"
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gignico
3 hours ago
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Is that display port over USB-C? That’s the main showstopper for me to use Asahi on my M1 Pro MBP.
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ZiiS
2 hours ago
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Yes, the test branch works fine for me, should be officially supported soon.
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gignico
1 hour ago
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That's cool!
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hamandcheese
3 hours ago
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I wish it were possible to directly fund DP-alt mode support. It is the only thing remaining preventing me from adopting Asahi.
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ZiiS
2 hours ago
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For me https://github.com/AsahiLinux/linux/tree/fairydust installed and worked without any tweeks. Don't think you can direct funding, but https://opencollective.com/asahilinux contributes to getting this fully officially supported.
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hamandcheese
2 hours ago
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No idea what the fairydust kernel is.

For more context, I gooled around and found this Phoronix article: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Asahi-Linux-EOY-2025-CCC

> On the display side, Asahi Linux developers have been working on the DisplayPort connectivity. For that there are now experimental DisplayPort patches for Asahi Linux via their "fairydust" tree.

That's great news!

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greenimpala
4 hours ago
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and ProMotion, then its a serious contender
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volemo
3 hours ago
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Dunno, I don’t care about ProMotion (I’ve got it and I don’t see it), but sleep and battery life are very important to me.
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porkloin
3 hours ago
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Are you sure you've actually used the higher refresh rate? It might not be enabled by default. I'd be surprised if you can't tell the difference comparing 60hz to 120hz back to back.
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volemo
1 hour ago
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Well, I have an M1 Pro MBP so I'm pretty sure.

edit: ok, I've tried toggling ProMotion on and off, and I can see it. However, I still think the improvement is marginal.

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robin_reala
1 hour ago
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I use an M1 Macbook Pro for work and an M2 Macbook Air for home, and I basically don’t see any major difference.
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rowanG077
2 hours ago
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While it's awesome that it runs there doesn't seem to be GPU support yet as the screenshot reports the llvmpipe software renderer. From what I understand there are significant difference between the M2 and M3 GPUs so this unlikely to be implemented soon. Unless it turns out this original analysis turns out to be wrong.

Personally I don't consider it "working" as a laptop on an Apple M3 unless you actually have GPU support. Software rending just sucks, even with a SoC as powerful as the Apple M3.

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dangus
3 hours ago
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Really cool, though if I was looking for a Linux laptop today, I’d be watching the Intel Panther Lake products rolling out.

The top SKU has a similar performance and efficiency profile to the base M5 processor along with faster graphics performance.

Review embargos for the top SKU just dropped today.

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hard_times
2 hours ago
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You can't really be that naive, can you
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bigyabai
1 hour ago
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Au contraire - which Asahi-supported machines hold a candle to AMD and Intel's Linux support?

I can't recommend Macs to other Linux users in good faith unless they're already stuck with the hardware and loathe macOS. If you need an ARM laptop that supports Linux, you should probably wait for Nvidia to release theirs.

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CamJN
55 minutes ago
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it's this part: "The top SKU has a similar performance and efficiency profile to the base M5 processor along with faster graphics performance." that is naive, this has been the standard lie told by intel as long as Apple silicon has existed, "Ignore everything we've ever done or promised before, our NEXT gen will be as fast and power efficient as apple! We promise this time!". It has never been true, and honestly I don't think it CAN be true when they have to give over a full third of their transistor budget just to decoding the abomination that is x86_64.
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