A shortage of tenors
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1 day ago
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| economist.com
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hn_acc1
9 minutes ago
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In a former life I was part of a church choir (smallish church, ~140 members, everyone knew everyone). Same guy was running the orchestral band I had been a part of for a long time (trumpet, also had piano background), and they needed members.. A quick tryout and he told me to join the bass section - without taking into account I had a cold that day. I struggled to hit a lot of the notes, but then moved to tenor and easily hit most of the notes, almost being lead tenor for a while. Sure, it was a falsetto, but I could hit high A or C pretty reliably, IIRC.

Moved to the west coast (this was great lakes area) and something about the air is different, and while I stayed in choir for a few years, eventually lost the top octave entirely and am now a horrible singer (I used to be ok and could, for example, easily sing Livin' on a Prayer - I can't come close to it now). If I go back to the great lakes area, after a week, my singing voice has improved tremendously, only to lose it when I return. I do miss being able to sing better, but not enough to move back..

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RupertSalt
42 minutes ago
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Our SATB chorus was about 75 strong, with about 2 women who could sing tenor. They were highly valued, especially in the limited membership of a women’s barbershop ensemble.

If you’re male and you can sing anything or play a pipe organ, you are worth your weight in gold to the right church.

Some of my favorite vocalists are female contraltos, because I can sing in their range.

Choral work is the most demanding volunteer job I ever had. It’s also exhilarating, highly social, and rewarding. No regrets!

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j_bum
14 minutes ago
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I’d love to play organ with a choir group. But I am not religious, so it feels wrong.
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loire280
41 minutes ago
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I sing tenor in a university choir as an older male community member and we encourage anyone to sing tenor whose voice is low enough. Over 1/3 of our tenors are women and our voices blend very well IMO.
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jawns
2 hours ago
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The choral world has survived despite a longtime shortage of castrati.

I'm sure they'll figure something out.

In all seriousness, SATB is mostly a constraint because of how choral composers write their music, not because good music demands it. You can produce beautiful music without all four voice parts being equally represented.

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CGMthrowaway
47 minutes ago
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Castrati never mattered for choruses - you just use a large choir of boys. They were important for opera/theater, where you need a single voice with enough power.
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pclmulqdq
1 hour ago
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I compose music once in a while. I'm now trying to write more in a texture like SSAATB if I want amateurs to sing the music, but it's not as easy to write as SATB or SSAATTBB music.
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isaacimagine
1 hour ago
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I read this as "a shortage of tensors" and was curious as to the latest chicanery.

But yeah tenors right -- matches my experience.

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twic
24 minutes ago
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I assumed it meant interest rate swap tenors. We need liquidity at the six year point!
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CGMthrowaway
49 minutes ago
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And here I read the word correctly, yet thought it was going to be about bonds, and the rise of 50- and 100-year maturities. I am a singer btw
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ziml77
51 minutes ago
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The site is called The Economist so I thought this was going to be about not having enough choices for tenor on loans and similar contracts.
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olliepro
56 minutes ago
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Tensors are in no shortage nowadays. I did read this a tensors though and got a good laugh.
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moomin
58 minutes ago
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Given that it's the economist, it could have been about illiquidity in the bond markets.
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crazygringo
2 hours ago
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There have never been enough tenors anywhere, as the article acknowledges.

It's not clear what the evidence is that the problem is getting worse though? Or why it would be?

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CGMthrowaway
41 minutes ago
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On the point of there always being a shortage of tenors, these charts are interesting: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Frequency-distribution-o...

The shape of the distribution has a much longer tail for women than men, on the high pitch side.

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moomin
57 minutes ago
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I suspect it's become a problem the moment it became a primarily amateur endeavor. There's enough tenors when you can pay.
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bluGill
2 hours ago
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There is only so much time in a day. Often singing in choir conflicts with playing sports because you have concerts and games on the same nights, so you have to make a choice. There are also schedule pressures - if you are going to get into college you nearly have to take math, English, science, and foreign language classes beyond what your school demands and that forces hard choices if there even is a class period free (don't forget you might be taking band to take up that space)

Finally, there are a lot of bad teachers. They are so interested in winning competition and teaching perfection - but for most music will never be anything other than a fun hobby and so they are getting the wrong teaching which turns many students off. I've seen a lot of award winning school choirs, and the next town over with the same number of students has twice the students in choir despite not winning awards - communities need to pick and often don't realize this.

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Sharlin
11 minutes ago
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But none of that is particular to tenors.
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IsTom
1 hour ago
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N=1 and not singing in a choir, I could probably sing tenor parts if I trained, but to me bass feels more satisfying, doubly so going low with throat singing.
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klooney
2 hours ago
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Declining popularity among men
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klipt
2 hours ago
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Then why no shortage of basses?
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pclmulqdq
1 hour ago
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As a professional-level baritone who has sung tenor parts quite a lot, there is a shortage of every low voice type (directors are often conflicted when I make the offer to sing tenor). People who can produce a chorally-acceptable A or Bb are in the shortest supply, though. It's getting worse as the amateur singing circuit gets smaller and the gender ratio gets more skewed.

Amateur-level choirs tend to have a lot more basses than tenors because it is easier to sing bass without effort spent on vocal training.

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delecti
1 hour ago
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Tenor parts are more difficult, technically speaking, and voices capable of the tenor range are rarer. So any given man joining a choir can more likely manage the bass range, and if they can, they can almost certainly manage the bass parts.

FTA:

> When men do join singing groups, they often avoid the tenor section. The tenor voice is “a cultivated sound”, says John Potter, author of a book on the subject. A man with no vocal training is more likely to have the range of a baritone (a high bass). It does not help that the tenor voice is associated with operatic stars such as Luciano Pavarotti, who could powerfully sing high notes that no amateur can easily reach. And the tenor line in classical choral music can be difficult, with many unexpected notes and alarming leaps.

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mqus
2 hours ago
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As the article states, its usually 2:1 women to men so there is also a kind of shortage of basses, its just not as severe.
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moomin
54 minutes ago
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I can't really recommend joining a choir as a strategy for meeting women but... when I did choir I did alright.
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bluGill
2 hours ago
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I know many women who admit they "fall in love" anytime they hear a low bass. They might marry a tenor and never cheat on them, but every time their hear a low bass their heart flutters. Men know/see this and so tenors become less interested since their higher voices don't get the women (there are plenty of other ways they have).

I don't know how much this is a factor, but...

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nozzlegear
1 hour ago
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Anecdotal I guess, but when I was in a high school choir, I loathed that my teacher assigned me to the tenor section. It did not fit with the image of myself that the high school version of me held in my head; "a man should be a baritone or bass after puberty!"

I liked choir and stayed in it for all four years, but I was never particularly good at it so what the hell did I know anyway.

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lbeckman314
1 hour ago
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This is now my favorite benign conspiracy/cause of the lack of tenors!

Damn those big-voiced basses — they're stealing all our love interests :p

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throw0101a
2 hours ago
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Can't wait for Bloomberg's Odd Lots podcast have a supply chain episode on this topic. :)
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FarmerPotato
44 minutes ago
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There’s been an alto shortage for many, many years. Maybe for similar reasons.
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ummonk
58 minutes ago
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One of my annoyances is that most male pop singing is at too high a range for normal baritone men without vocal training to sing along. I actually find it easier to sing along to female pop songs (by singing an octave lower) than to male pop songs.
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robrtsql
29 minutes ago
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One of the great injustices of music. As a bass voice, both pop music and theater is _dominated_ by tenors (or maybe they're baritones? The point being that it seems no one wants to hear you if you can't belt a Bb4).
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Sharlin
5 minutes ago
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Tenors. Only particularly challenging baritone parts go above E4 or F4.
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wintermutestwin
53 minutes ago
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On the Song Exploder podcast, Take on Me episode, the artist talks about the producer saying that a male falsetto was a “make this song a hit” button…
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andrewclunn
17 minutes ago
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I can state that (anecdotally) this is true. My range allows me to be placed in various sections as needed, but the vast majority of the time I am asked to sing tenor, for lack of numbers / strong voices to do so.
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