Skip the Tips: A game to select "No Tip" but dark patterns try to stop you
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2 hours ago
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aleph_minus_one
19 minutes ago
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I have a feeling that this HN submission is rather some test run which dark patterns work well on technically affine users. :-)

Having the knowledge which dark patterns even work well for technically affine users while still being "socially acceptable" can be worth a lot of money to specific companies.

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AnotherGoodName
11 minutes ago
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Ooooh do the one where hitting ‘payment’ on the app buys $25 of store credit by default rather than just paying and deducts the 9.64 from that credit.

Then when you spend down the credit to $2 any attempt to buy something that costs more refills the credit.

Starbucks app btw. You have to specifically pay with card on the payment screen to avoid buying credit and paying as above.

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renato_shira
1 hour ago
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as someone who builds mobile games, the execution here is great. but what makes dark patterns actually effective isn't really the visual tricks, it's the context they exploit: time pressure, social pressure, and cognitive load.

you're standing at a checkout with someone watching, a line forming behind you, and the default tip is pre-selected at 25%. the "trick" isn't the UI, it's that calculating a custom amount requires more effort than just tapping accept.

same principle applies in mobile game monetization. the IAP prompt doesn't convert because the button is cleverly placed, it converts because you just failed a level, you're emotionally invested, and the "fix" is one tap away. the real pattern is always: create urgency, minimize friction for the desired action, maximize friction for the alternative.

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anonymous908213
31 minutes ago
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Bot account. Last active with two posts in 2017, then started spamming today with the usual HN spambot formula. As usual, doing the weird thing that only the HN spambots do where it's almost always exactly three paragraphs of 1-2 sentences each. Not sure why they prompt for that formula but it makes it very easy to spot out. For me, I guess. This is voted to the top and the bot has over 50 karma so apparently most people are unable to detect LLM spam even when they make it as obvious as they possibly can.
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charles_f
18 minutes ago
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As a master in commenting I would argue that this is quite smart. Indeed this might be a bot.

Or maybe it's not, who knows? It's sometimes hard to tell with comments.

It's just the times we live in, uncertainty is a given, most of the time we don't know. I guess we'll have to make do.

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nubg
7 minutes ago
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Any idea what the endgoal of such bots is?

Karmafarming and then astroturfing?

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anonymous908213
6 minutes ago
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Astroturfing seems to be the goal. I notice sometimes there are threads in which numerous of these bots converge to promote some dubious product being shilled.
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ChadNauseam
22 minutes ago
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I just wish they would use bigger models. These ones always write stuff that makes no sense. Like it says "the same principle applies to mobile games" then describes a different principle
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Rebelgecko
12 minutes ago
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There's some bots on HN who write much more coherently and get a decent # of upvotes. I was only able to catch one because the comment started with something along the lines of "Here's a smart response for a technical audience about _____"
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nubg
6 minutes ago
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lmao, got a link?
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Bjartr
20 minutes ago
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Might be because while it's not high quality, it is ultimately a constructive comment. So this might be a case of https://xkcd.com/810/
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anonymous908213
10 minutes ago
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I suppose 15 years ago it would not have been possible to predict how fucking irritating these comments could be. I would rather have the old spambots back at this point. Please, spambots, go back to trying to sell me penis enlargement pills, I beg of you.
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dunham
56 minutes ago
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I've got a local cafe that pre-selects a $3 tip on a $5 purchase.
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Graziano_M
37 minutes ago
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I try to 'punish' for these and tip less than I would normally.
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koolba
5 minutes ago
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At an airport once the coffee stand had a girl behind the counter that would just hand you an empty disposable cup. She didn’t even handle cash, it was card only using a self checkout POS system. And it still asked for a tip with the default of 20%.

There should be a way to specify a negative tip.

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Wowfunhappy
36 minutes ago
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> it's that calculating a custom amount requires more effort than just tapping accept.

0% is easy to calculate.

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buzzerbetrayed
30 minutes ago
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Exactly this. Why are you tipping if you’re standing up?
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O5vYtytb
37 minutes ago
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Buy me a coffee? Jokes on you I just practiced avoiding this.
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icedrift
2 minutes ago
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I chortled when I choked an input and accidentally clicked that
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zippyman55
2 hours ago
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Nice! I’ve started only tipping on fridays for coffee, etc. I’m a great tipper at restaurants But being hit up for a $5 tip for a $4 drink is way wrong. I’d tip you, but today is Thursday!
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kstrauser
1 hour ago
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I tip great at sit-down restaurants. I don't tip at fast food places, or carry-outs where they don't actually provide and service, or at the oil change place.

Summary: if I didn't tip in a situation 10 years ago, I'm not going to start now.

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kulahan
1 hour ago
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I tip my barista and budtender a dollar every visit, personally. I love those people though. Restaurants get 20% unless they fuck up, then it's 15%, unless it was absolutely egregious.

That's it. I cut my own hair.

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kstrauser
37 minutes ago
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My barber earns his fat tip taming my unruly cowlicks. Barista and bartender? Definitely. Cashier at a convenience store? Oh hell no.
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Mr-Frog
1 hour ago
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My current strategy for how much total I'll pay for a coffee is FlOOR(price+.50) + 1, which keeps the bill nice and clean and kicks some goodwill towards someone who makes less than 1/5th the average earnings of my coworkers.
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SoftTalker
1 hour ago
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I make my own coffee. It's not hard.
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Liftyee
1 hour ago
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Actually doesn't make for a bad reaction time and processing game since you need to think fast and avoid distractions.

Mobile offers a speed boost for taps but heavy nerf to text entry tasks.

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tedchs
31 minutes ago
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The "buy me a coffee" button at the end is :chefskiss:
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amarant
57 minutes ago
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Made me want to sing that classic song from the animated movie "sausage party"

"Just the tip"

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randycupertino
2 hours ago
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ThrowawayTestr
55 minutes ago
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I enjoyed the restaurant names
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theYipster
31 minutes ago
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Superb!
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kulahan
1 hour ago
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This was cool, but I got to one where it would load after every button you click. That's fine, but then I "lost" because it simply wouldn't load a winnable option in time it seems. Maybe I was moving too fast and missed the real button, but I still didn't tip in the end, so eh.
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kstrauser
1 hour ago
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I hate every bit of this. Well done!
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