A word processor from 1990s for Atari ST/TOS is still supported by enthusiasts
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WillAdams
55 minutes ago
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I wish WriteNow was similarly available/supported --- it was probably one of the last major applications written in assembly language (~100,000 lines).

XyWrite is supported in a similar fashion: https://mendelson.org/xywin.html (but I just helped folks use that, never actually found it comfortable myself).

I kind of wish all these small/tight/efficient programs could be gathered up and ported to an optimized OS for the Raspberry Pi....

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manoDev
2 days ago
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The list of features is impressive even today!

https://tempus-word.de/en/info/index

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drcongo
4 hours ago
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Those were the glory days of word processors, I used to have something similar on the Amiga. I'd still rather write on something like this than Word, Pages or Google Docs.
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scherlock
1 hour ago
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At least Word has an outline mode, GDocs is the worst. A text editor with markdown support is better than GDocs.
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tjansen
5 hours ago
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The ST had some awesome productivity programs. Tempus Word, Papyrus, Calamus... All running on a 8 Mhz computer with 1 or 2 MB, but with feature sets that do not need to hide from today's software.
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mhd
3 hours ago
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People doing DTP with Calamus on their Ataris stuck around for a long time after the systems weren't used for much else – MIDI tooling excepted, of course.

On the other hand, there you didn't have that many powerful packages on any system, besides Quark & the various Adobe tools du jour everything paled in comparison.

For word processing, being forced to use Word was/is usually worse than for DTP, though. But feature-wise, everything seemed to converge during the 90s, so "having" to use Word instead of e.g. WordPerfect was less and less of an issue.

With some exceptions of course, most famously GRRM and other people who got into things very early sticking with the first thing they learned (i.e. WordStar), or apparently some journalists being really into XyWrite.

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buescher
1 hour ago
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It's not surprising that people who write professionally would learn one tool to the point it gets out of the way and then not want to change. It's not just sticking with the first thing they learned - there's a constant churn of "tools for distraction-free writing" that address some of the complaints that people that still use older word processors have about more up-to-date systems.

Once you know the pattern, every so often you'll see a piece about a writer or journalist and the funky software they use and you can just wait for it... it's going to be Wordstar, XyWrite, one of the XEDIT editors, sometimes Wordperfect for DOS. Rarely Word for DOS. Neal Stephenson uses emacs, but he's an outlier in a lot of ways. I think there was a piece linked here recently by a journalist who uses the macOS TextEdit for note-taking, which dates back to NeXSTEP. (not exactly the same thing, but consider)

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p_l
1 hour ago
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Late 1990s supposedly a considerable extension on use of Macs for DTP was that Quark could get significantly automated with AppleScript, and some publishing houses had non-trivial workflows done that way to reduce time spent on preparation.
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AlecSchueler
3 hours ago
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DTP? GRRM?
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bux93
3 hours ago
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DeskTop Publishing - WYSIWYG design of printed matter (What You See Is What You Get) on PC(Personal Computer)s.

George R.R. Martin (No idea about the Rs), author of A Song of Ice and Fire which was adapted into Game of Thrones.

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qsi
31 minutes ago
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I still have the printed documentation and floppy for Tempus, the editor which I think is the predecessor to the linked word processor. It was blazing fast because it had been written in 68000 assembly IIRC. Even then it would handle giant documents with ease.
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m-i-l
4 hours ago
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I used ST Writer which came bundled with my ST. I still have all my ST Writer files (last modified in 1993!), and quite impressively they open just fine in LibreOffice with formatting and everything preserved (unlike some later .doc files I have).
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p_l
1 hour ago
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.DOC was never meant to be interoperable, even across Word versions (much), you were supposed to save "final" or "exchange" versions in RTF :)
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klondike_klive
3 hours ago
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That is genuinely remarkable! Even indentation?
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prmoustache
5 hours ago
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Their non cookie popup is the perfect example how user cookies should be managed.

https://tempus-word.de/en/impress/policy#the-website

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nosianu
4 hours ago
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I used Application System Heidelberg's Script II on an Atari 1040STFM with 72 Hz SM 124 black/white monitor and an Epson LQ 550 24 pin printer. That was some superb publishing system for the time (1991), for a low budget.

1 MB RAM, 1.44 MB floppy drive

SM 124: 640x400 pixels, monochrome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST https://www.atarimuseum.de/1040st.htm

The software used a special driver to get better than standard quality from the then most common 24 pin printers (laser printers where much expensive) by kind of double-printing, I forgot the details. It looked really good though.

https://www.planetemu.net/screenshots/Atari%20ST%20-%20Appli...

https://stcarchiv.de/tos/1990/11/script-2 (German)

"Script" was the cheap version of their better product "Signum".

https://www.application-systems.de/signum/screenshots.html

https://www.atariuptodate.de/img/signum.png

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qsi
37 minutes ago
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Signum! (don't forget the exclamation point!) was an amazing piece of software. The key to its incredible print quality: carefully hand-crafted pixel fonts with incredible attention to detail.

With a 24-pin printer the output beat vector fonts on a 300dpi laser printer at the time. The actual resolution was higher than a single pass of printing with the 24 pins. Signum! would advance the print head in minute amounts and overprint to achieve its remarkable quality.

Printing a single page at maximum quality took a while... Think minutes per page instead of pages per minute. But it was very impressive.

Fond memories!

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billygoat
50 minutes ago
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I'm curious: the "Script" screenshot looks like it's using standard GEM Desktop, while the "Signum" is some other desktop. Are these both for ST? Was Signum written using some other full-screen graphic environment?
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qsi
35 minutes ago
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Signum! was highly opinionated. It ran on the Atari ST but did its own thing for the user interface. You could access a lower layer of drawing primitives and obviate GEM. In those days multitasking did not exist.

There were a good number of these kinds of application back then. Steve was one, GFA Basic another.

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qsi
23 minutes ago
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Ah, it was actually STeve:

https://ataricrypt.blogspot.com/2024/03/steve.html

An application that was more a random selection of tools than a cohesive whole but some people swore by it.

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Brajeshwar
3 hours ago
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Ah. You will also like another story that popped up here some time back.

A Canadian science-fiction writer, Robert J. Sawyer, made an Archive available complete with extensive resources on how to use it. In addition, fully text-searchable PDFs of the original manuals, totaling over 1,000 pages, were also available. He is a dedicated WordStar user.

https://sfwriter.com/ws7.htm

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jaffa2
5 hours ago
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I used to use First Word on the ST back in the day.
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outofmyshed
5 hours ago
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ST Writer was freeware and did the job, but Tempus was gold standard, even better than 1st Word Plus.
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gmac
4 hours ago
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Huh, 1st Word Plus was what I had! Sudden recollection of pressing a rhombus-shaped F10 key to reflow after editing ...
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lloydatkinson
1 hour ago
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Wasn’t there a post a few weeks ago by the author of it?
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Beijinger
4 hours ago
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There is another one still alive today: https://papyrus.de/en/

I don't use it. But i tried an old version and it was fast as f...

It is written now in C++

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RobotToaster
6 hours ago
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I wonder why they don't just make it open source at this point?
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Maken
19 minutes ago
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Maybe they never got the source code or the license to distribute it. This is not the original company after all.
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prmoustache
5 hours ago
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Apparently they still hope to make a bit of money out of it:

"I never had a license! Well, even then you can have one - if you absolutely want to. . Depending on your bid, we will then contact you." https://tempus-word.de/en/download/index

I guess they found out they make out more that way than setting up a ko-fi account. It also insures the soft and its legacy doesn't become bloated over time. It is also possible that given it uses old tech (GEM) and probably assembly code, the software as it is would not be more easily portable than it is now using emulators.

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pdw
4 hours ago
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I think that's out of date. The banner at the top of the page says "you can request a free license for version 5.4 from us." According to archive.org that was added later than the text you quoted, somewhere between 2022 and 2024.
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carlosjobim
2 hours ago
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Why should they? It's their work, not for others to steal.
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Aldipower
5 hours ago
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Usage of licensed 3rd-party libraries for example!
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NetMageSCW
2 days ago
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English not their first language?
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qsi
15 minutes ago
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Some of the best ST software came from Germany, where the it had a high market share driven by DTP applications. IIRC at one point the ST had a bigger installed DTP base in Germany than the Mac.

There was an annual fair in Düsseldorf, the Atari ST Messe, which was impressive in its size. I went for several years in a row until the ST sadly started losing its relevance.

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stockerta
2 days ago
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What is so surprising about that?
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celsius1414
2 days ago
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