Pocketbase lost its funding from FLOSS fund
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3 hours ago
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murillians
1 hour ago
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I think this submission should be re-titled. From the post, it seems that the author voluntarily declined funding from FLOSS/Fund because they "don't trust them, nor the India government, with processing and storing personal sensitive data"
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DiabloD3
1 hour ago
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I think it shouldn't.

The funding source was dropped by Github, and the terms Pocketbase accepted for funding include being paid through Github by FLOSS Fund. FLOSS Fund refused to follow the regulatory requirements to continue funding projects through Github, and Github dropped them as a funding source.

What the Pocketbase maintainer decided was to drop FLOSS Fund after they tried to renegotiate the contract in dangerous and unethical ways. FLOSS Fund chose to not follow regulatory requirements that Github required.

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sreekanth850
56 minutes ago
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Are you saying sending money via Wire transfer is unethical? Its a standard way to send money in cross boarder transactions. Please do note that India is highly regulated for financial transaction that go outside the country so, please don't spread something like they are doing it illegally. Zerodha is a well known firm they are open about this funding. 1 Million every year just because they used many oss project. That is not un ethical.
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DiabloD3
41 minutes ago
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From what I can tell, no, they weren't just asking for wire details. They were were asking for multiple forms of identification.

If I was in his place, I don't think I'd send everything required to steal my identity to some company in a foreign country that I have no legal recourse in.

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rvnx
32 minutes ago
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The irony is that a lot of the KYC checks are actually done in India: Jumio, Onfido, LexisNexis, Refinitiv, HyperVerge, IDfy, Signzy (a lot of major banks)

So his ID is probably there already

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bawolff
1 hour ago
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Its a contract where they give money in exchange for basically nothing.

It may be reasonable for pocketbase to refuse, but i have trouble seeing floss fund being unethical or in the wrong when we're talking about giving away money for nothing. Especially when the ask is just fill out the paperwork for a wire transfer, the world standard for sending money internationally.

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Onavo
58 minutes ago
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Don't think escrow is possible because of KYC requirements, then again the regulations in India might be different.
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rvnx
41 minutes ago
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Unethical ? "they want to issue a wire transfer, but I don't feel comfortable giving my IBAN"

If the IBAM is the concern you can create a separate IBAN with Wise / Revolut for example quite easily (and for free, and for sure cheaper than refusing the money).

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fossmaintainer
17 minutes ago
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Here's the actual e-mail the fund sent:

Hey ******, I hope you're doing well. I apologise for the long delay on this disbursal from our end, and for not reaching out to you sooner.

I am writing to you with an update on GitHub Sponsors, your preferred mode of payment. Unfortunately, we're currently unable to process payments through GitHub Sponsors, Liberapay, OpenCollective, or similar platforms due to regulatory constraints. We still have no clarity on when this will become possible. We shared some context on this earlier here: https://floss.fund/blog/second-tranche-2025-anniversary/

We recommend that we move ahead with a wire transfer (although it involves some paperwork!). This involves:

1) Tax Residency Certificate (TRC) from your country of residence/incorporation for the current year.

2) Signed copy of the "No Permanent Establishment in India Declaration" (Template attached)

3) Form 10F to avoid double taxation for non-Indian entities and individuals. This is an online form that has to be filled out on the Indian Tax Department website. Instructions on how to fill it out are attached to this email. Please refer to this FAQ for more details.

4) Service Agreement – Please fill in the sections marked in yellow and send it back to us (Attached)

5) Invoice for the grant amount (sample attached with required fields highlighted, feel free to use your own invoice template if needed. Please mention "project development support" in the invoice description).

Once you have these, please send them over so that we can begin processing the payment.

Please note that these documents are required in our jurisdiction (India) for processing foreign payments. A percentage of the payment will be withheld as per the DTAA (Double-Taxation Avoidance Agreement) between India and your country, which the recipient can claim back while filing tax returns in their country. The specific withholding rate depends on the DTAA regulations between your country and India.

If you have any questions, please feel free to write to us.

Thank you once again for your patience

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yorwba
9 minutes ago
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Where did you get that email from?
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BoredPositron
1 hour ago
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It's a wire transfer not your medical records. Use escrow if you are paranoid.
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embedding-shape
1 hour ago
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Back in 2024, FLOSS/fund was described like this on HN:

> To apply, the project must place a funding.json in their public code repository or at a well-known uri location on their domain [...] That's already 10x more simpler than the 20 page document some of these other orgs have you fill. - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41857032

But the author of the issue for Pocketbase writes:

> due to some unforeseen regulatory constraints their partnership with GitHub didn't seem to work out. Instead they want to issue a wire transfer from India requiring several cross-jurisdictional paperwork but I don't feel comfortable doing that

It's a shame that it didn't seem like they could work out how to keep it as simple, I wonder if basing it in a different country could have made a difference.

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sreekanth850
53 minutes ago
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India have a strict process for sending and receiving money from outside as investment. Its mainly to avoid black money i guess.
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a456463
51 minutes ago
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Indians are to blame for this. The indian goverment is dictatorial and has no expectations or respect of privacy or human rights
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bogzz
1 hour ago
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Such a shame. I so love Pocketbase, used it when I was trying out HTMX for a side project.

I get the sense that ganigeorgiev is feeling the thanklessness of open source work, and I so wish that he had an easier time of it.

That said, it's a shame that a FLOSS fund being based in India is reason enough for it to be avoided. Like, I understand that Indians might be overrepresented in the scam space right now, but avoiding funding because of it involving "sharing data with the Indian government" is very silly in my opinion. And insulting to India.

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a456463
50 minutes ago
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The Indian Govt is dictatorial and segregational. It is a valid concern. Freedom of speech and privacy are not something the government cares about upholding.
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leosanchez
4 minutes ago
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The Indian Govt is neither dictatorial not segregational. Maybe authoritarian which every Indian govt. after Independence.
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4ndrewl
38 minutes ago
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Can you spell ICE, Flock and Ring?
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notatoad
33 minutes ago
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Regardless of how authoritarian the government is in the project maintainer’s home country, exposing themselves to a second authoritarian jurisdiction is probably a bad idea.
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giancarlostoro
1 hour ago
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That's a shame, would love to know if "FLOSS fun" is legit or not. Seems like a mess.
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agentifysh
25 minutes ago
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not sure what the controversy here is receiving funding isn't the funder owning or hosting pocketbase ?
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abtinf
1 hour ago
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There are so many projects I could use pocketbase for, if only it supported Postgres.

I get the philosophical reasons behind why it doesn’t and why it’s SQLite only.

It’s just that in a corporate environment, I could trivially deliver full production ready applications because there is a team that handles all the Postgres replication/failover/ha/dr/backups/recovery for me. Pocketbase with pg would be super simple to deploy to a pod, getting 95% of production readiness done.

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giancarlostoro
1 hour ago
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> There are so many projects I could use pocketbase for, if only it supported Postgres.

So... you want Supabase? which is what Pocketbase is inspired by.

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Onavo
56 minutes ago
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It's not single binary, you need to spin up a dozen or so containers and have a full DevOps team on standby if self hosting.
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Dylan16807
15 minutes ago
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Yes, OP wants to hand the database to their team.
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Onavo
7 minutes ago
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No. OP said they want to handle the database to their team. They didn't say anything about the auth, analytics, admin dashboards, real time change data management proxies, connection poolers to their team. Your modern backend as a service that's not pocketbase usually has a dozen moving parts.

Most enterprise teams have plug and play SQL databases ready to go, anything else would require more work with DevOps.

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giancarlostoro
38 minutes ago
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Well yeah, that's the nature of using something like Supabase it is designed to scale and be flexible to develop on top of.
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born-jre
1 hour ago
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I am also building similar product but with different approach And just using SQLite for now but plan on adding Postgres support ( orm I am using supports it ) … but nowhere near production ready. Due to buzz around products like litestream I feel like just SQLite is also viable nowadays. I also have own cdc based replication thing wip but yeah just having fun stage

https://github.com/blue-monads/potatoverse

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slopinthebag
54 minutes ago
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like others have said, try sup abase

https://supabase.com/docs/guides/self-hosting/docker

i havent tried self hosting but it doesn't look too tricky

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mc007
36 minutes ago
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setup is easy but you're stuck with one instance. they stripped all multi-tenant features and even the selfhosted version is missing essential features, scaling is off the table though.
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mtct88
1 hour ago
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samalander
1 hour ago
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Pocketbase is such a smooth and easy-to-use database - great for people starting with web dev. I'm disappointed that it's not going to get the continued funding that it deserves.
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embedding-shape
1 hour ago
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> it's not going to get the continued funding that it deserves

I don't think they ever saw that funding in the first place, if I'm reading "not waiting for the disbursal before making big announcements" correctly. I guess you need to be disappointed about them never receiving it in the first place, although it doesn't seem like the project owner would necessarily agree with you.

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