Hetzner (European hosting provider) to increase prices by up to 38%
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octoclaw
6 minutes ago
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Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs.

The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home server last week. Same kit I bought 8 months ago for 90 EUR is now 400+. That's not normal market dynamics.

What worries me more is the second-order effects. Startups that would normally spin up cheap VPS instances to prototype and iterate now face meaningfully higher costs at the exact stage where every euro matters. The "just deploy it" culture that made European indie dev scene so productive was built on sub-10 EUR/month boxes. Those days might be over for a while.

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huijzer
4 minutes ago
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I just bought a Raspberry Pi 4 1 GB memory with aluminum case, aluminum NVME adapter, and a 64 GB SSD for about 80 euros. With microsd it’s even cheaper. 4 GB RAM would be about 120 euros.

The 1 GB RAM replaces one Forgejo runner that was in Hetzner. With €5 per month, I will earn this investment back in less than two years. After the price increase, this period will only shorten!

I also wrote about this at https://huijzer.xyz/posts/148/raspberry-pi-as-forgejo-runner

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bootsmann
1 hour ago
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A significant part of this is probably just the hockey-stick growth in the price of memory we have seen in the past 6 months. Would be surprised if this wasn't impacting their bottom line for maintenance.
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fabian2k
1 hour ago
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RAM increased the most, but also SSD and HDD prices increased significantly. And it seems there are also supply problems, so you can't even be sure if you get the components you want at higher prices.
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zozbot234
5 minutes ago
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Intel could solve this by bringing back their Optane technology, which was plenty good enough to replace all of these simultaneously.
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jacquesm
1 hour ago
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There is another factor at play here: EU hosting providers that are not owned lock, stock & barrel are few and far between and Hetzner has a very nice sales representative in the White House.
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stavros
1 hour ago
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Can you expound on that? I'm not sure I get what you're implying.
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sincerely
1 hour ago
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Pretty sure they are implying that the actions of the current president/administration are causing people to re-evaluate US dependencies. I don't really understand the first half
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fifilura
1 hour ago
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I think in the first part they are implying that there are very few independent companies to turn to.

(I also prefer comments that are clear without insinuations).

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abirch
1 minute ago
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Precisely like code

  Clarity > Cleverness
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stavros
1 hour ago
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Ahh, the sales rep is Trump, that makes sense, thank you. I thought Jacques meant they had lobbyists somehow.
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Tadpole9181
2 minutes ago
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1. There's no meaningful European competition.

2. Trump is making everyone scared to use US hosting.

So they're leveraging for extra profits.

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capitol_
1 hour ago
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That Trump makes us very motivated to stop relying on American tech.
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okanat
47 minutes ago
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This doesn't solve the issue that globalism caused. Europe doesn't make DRAM nor has the know-how to quickly bring factories online which usually take 10+ years.

We are tied to American economy and if AI companies start driving prices up not only DRAM but basically everything will become more expensive.

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bootsmann
15 minutes ago
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America doesn't manufacture DRAM either, this is all South Korea and Taiwan.
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petcat
7 minutes ago
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??? Micron has DRAM megafabs in both Idaho and New York state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micron_Technology

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bootsmann
2 minutes ago
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Are those plants still functional after CHIPS act was axed? I thought they mainly produce in Asia now.
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spockz
7 minutes ago
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And China with IXMT.
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x_may
40 minutes ago
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Isn’t there also basically 0 American DRAM?
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UltraSane
1 minute ago
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Micron Technology, Inc. is an American semiconductor company that manufactures computer memory
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dangus
21 minutes ago
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The newfound desire to move away from American cloud providers isn’t related to pricing, it’s about the perception of growing instability within the American government, the perception of deteriorating freedom of speech, and the perception of an increasingly non-neutral business environment.

E.g., if I’m running a business in the US and I don’t kiss Trump’s ring (and pay bribes), if he becomes dictator for life in 2028, all bets are off for my business.

The most stable places to do business in 2026 are probably the EU and China.

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UltraSane
4 minutes ago
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You waited far too long.
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rmoriz
1 hour ago
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The strongest reaction of EU would be to subsidize RIPE small LIR fees to 0€ and embrace decentralization.
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g-mork
1 hour ago
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What would that achieve? Here, have 1.5% discount on your subnet purchase
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Betelbuddy
1 hour ago
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It seems we will run out of hardware by March?

"Hard drives already sold out for this year" - https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/20/ai_blamed_again_as_ha...

Time for an AI tax on the hyperscalers.

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jsheard
1 hour ago
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> It seems we will run out of hardware by March?

What happens when an unstoppable force (building everything in Electron because hardware is cheap) meets an immovable object (oh no hardware is expensive now)?

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pjmlp
13 minutes ago
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We go back to the demoscene days, being creative with what we have instead of shipping Electron junk.
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throwaw12
1 hour ago
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consumer RAM is not what's creating shortage. Data centers doesn't run electron to train the model or for inference
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MagicMoonlight
17 minutes ago
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They effectively do. They’re trained by brute forcing 100TB of training data through them, rather than any logical learning technique.

A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet.

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rkomorn
15 minutes ago
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> A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet.

A human does need 16ish hours per day of audio/video content for several years to learn the alphabet.

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malfist
24 minutes ago
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Sure, consumer ram isn't causing a shortage, but it's affected by the shortage.
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bayindirh
20 minutes ago
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Every RAM producer is stopping their consumer grade RAM production to provide ECC-RAM and VRAM now. Micron discontinued and closed down Crucial brand as a whole.

So, getting systems with higher RAM capacity is getting harder (from laptops to smartphones). So, for a couple of years, we need to stop using Electron so much and use what we have efficiently.

Data centers, esp. AI hyperscalers do not care about efficiency for now, because they can suffocate consumer-grade part of the hardware marketplace and get anything and everything they want. When their bubble pops, or the whole capacity ends, they need to learn to be efficient, too.

For reference, a well-optimized cluster runs at ~90% efficiency even though they have thousands of users. AI hyperscalers are not there. Maybe 60% efficient, at most. They waste a lot of resources to keep their momentum.

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spockz
4 minutes ago
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I have a silent hope that because of this change we all will get ECC ram and that consumer CPUs will get proper support for them.
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bayindirh
30 seconds ago
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AMD's RYZEN already supports it. ASUStor's latest generation of NAS devices come with AMD x86_64 processors and ECC RAM as a standard, but ECC RAM in SODIMM format was not cheap, even when the RAM was cheap, either.
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fullstop
41 minutes ago
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I guess we have to get creative again.
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Betelbuddy
1 hour ago
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2026 will be the year of Rust...
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NoiseBert69
1 hour ago
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Due to lack of memory leaks which will stop increasing RAM prices?
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nicoburns
1 hour ago
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Because it's more memory efficient than most other languages. So you can achieve the same result with lower RAM requirements.
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Betelbuddy
1 hour ago
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xnorswap
39 minutes ago
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I see that's from almost 10 years ago, it would be interesting to see how that's changed with improvements to V8, python and C# since.

Also, Typescript 5 times worse than Javascript? That doesn't really make sense, since they share the same runtime.

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embedding-shape
14 minutes ago
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Why is that so unbelievable? TypeScript isn't JavaScript, and while they have the same runtime, compiled TypeScript often don't look like how you'd solve the same problem in vanilla JS, where you'd leverage the dynamic typing rather than trying to work around it.

See this example as one demonstration: https://www.typescriptlang.org/play/?q=8#example/enums

The TS code looks very different from the JS code (which obviously is the point), but given that, not hard to imagine they have different runtime characteristics, especially for people who don't understand the inside and outs of JavaScript itself, and have only learned TypeScript.

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Zababa
27 minutes ago
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This image comes from running the different versions of the benchmark games programs. Some of the difference between languages may actually be just algorithmic differences, and also those programs are in general not representative of most of the software that runs.
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gck1
1 hour ago
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That, and also because rust compiler is a very good guardrail & feedback mechanism for AI. I made 3 little tools that I use for myself without knowing how to write a single rust line myself.
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Imustaskforhelp
28 seconds ago
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I can see that a reality but I am more comfortable using Golang as the language compared to rust given its fast compile times and I have found it to be much more easier to create no-dependices/fewer-dependencies project plus even though I wouldn't consider myself a master in golang, maybe mediocre, I feel much easier playing with golang than rust.

The resource consumption b/w rust and golang would be pretty minimal to figure out actually for most use cases imho.

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infecto
1 hour ago
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Why tax something that the market will figure out? This is normal and things will sort themself out.
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rchaud
16 minutes ago
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Markets only "figure things out" in a petri dish economy where:

1) There are no barriers to entry for competitors (e.g. protectionist tariffs, equal access to capital for everyone)

2) There are perfect substitutes available, so transitioning to a competitor is seamless and free (e.g. no requirement to store data in Country X, no vendor lock-in, no security compliance)

3) The industry is not a "natural monopoly" when only a handful of vendors can operate due to capital investment and national/global distribution required (see power utilities, telecoms, petrochemicals)

4) Profitability attracts competitors (won't happen because of #3), but heavy competition prevents abnormal profits from accumulating to a single player (happens because of #1, #2 and #3)

When markets don't figure things out, as is the case around the world, you get a tangled mess of market failures, government intervention and lobbying to neuter proposed interventions.

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infecto
13 minutes ago
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Markets are never perfect but over the course of history they are a pretty good mechanism to solve these type of problems. Not sure why we think taxing hyperscalers differently is the answer. Government usually does worse than the market when it comes to sorting it out.

My argument is not that market is perfect but that the alternatives are probably far worse, like a new tax on a specific group of companies.

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cmxch
1 minute ago
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They didn’t the last two memory crunches. Litigative action figured it out first.
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gck1
48 minutes ago
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We see that market is very irrational now and it can stay irrational for long enough to destroy everything we know in tech.

By the time market figures things out, you may no longer have services, and hardware that you use daily. When such amounts of stupid money are pumped into a single industry, even if all AI companies went out of business tomorrow, it's going to take years for things to go back to normal.

FWIW, I'm not advocating taxes, as I think that won't really do anything. I don't know what the solution is either.

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infecto
11 minutes ago
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Sounds like hyperbole. Yes the world is connected yes we are seeing shortages, yes the market is imperfect and it lags but this is how things get fixed. Prices are sorted out, manufacturers make bets on long term capacity. Some will be losers, some will be winners.
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embedding-shape
6 minutes ago
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My guess is that many of the current people saying "technology is over and no one will afford their own computer" might have been born after the previous shortages, so it's in reality their first shortage and they have no memories (nor interest reading about) the previous ones, that all eventually washed over, even if at those points there were also people claiming that "No one will have their own SSD in the future, because prices will always be super expensive for consumers from now on".

That's my hypothesis I spent a whole of 30 seconds thinking about anyways.

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embedding-shape
37 minutes ago
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> it can stay irrational for long enough to destroy everything we know in tech

What does this even mean? I know people on the internet sometimes exaggerate, but I cannot even begin to find a more charitable meaning with this, what exactly will be "destroyed" in "tech" because of prices going up for a year or two?

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gck1
28 minutes ago
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Here's an easy experiment to conduct: look around the room at your home and count all the devices that have a CPU, RAM, SSD or HDD.

Then take a look at your bank statement to see what are the services you pay for monthly that also require the same hardware.

Now, imagine that these devices or services can no longer procure RAM, SSD or HDD. There's no more available supply for these components, because this is what's happening.

Would you still be able to have these devices if they all broke tomorrow? What about your hypothetical Backblaze subscription? Would you still be able to have an off-site backup?

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embedding-shape
19 minutes ago
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> imagine that these devices or services can no longer procure RAM, SSD or HDD

Why would I imagine something so far out from what will realistically happen?

Again, a lot of doom and gloom over very unrealistic scenarios. Where are you even getting this from, YouTube channels?

Of course if there is no RAM or flash-storage at all available, eventually hardware will be unfeasible. But when we've experienced these sort of things before, it eventually restores to "normal" prices, and there absolutely nothing pointing to what we're experiencing now to get even worse, if anything it's already stabilized.

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iso1631
8 minutes ago
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You don't have to look too far back in history -- look at the supply squeeze during covid, or even just during the Suez closure by the Evergiven.
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infecto
3 minutes ago
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Yet here we are. Markets kept growing, some companies lost during the supply crunch but hopefully we came out generally stronger. So again the doom and gloom is hard to track. Maybe we hit a couple years of different supply crunches in tech, at some point if demand sustains companies will figure it out, optimize price, manufacturing lines etc.
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iso1631
11 minutes ago
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My laptop's 8 years old, if I can't get memory I'll just have to sweat it a little longer. Same with my NAS drive

Same with work -- I've just ordered some replacements for 13 year old servers in one office, but if it was more economical to repair them

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Silhouette
30 minutes ago
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What we're seeing is the natural conclusion of VC distortion in a market. There is so much money being pumped into AI speculatively now that it's hurting normal and sustainable businesses in other parts of the economy.

The solution might have to be mandatory rationing of some kind to avoid a situation where only a handful of AI giants are able to buy essential components. We can't just throw the rest of the economy under a bus to support the AI bubble for a few more months.

I'm working with a business right now that would like to buy some new servers for sensible, boring business reasons. It is having trouble because the prices from their normal suppliers are now extremely high - if the components are even available at all. This business has nothing to do with AI or Big Tech and yet it's at risk of being unable to continue normal operations in much the same way that a business would be affected if the phone networks were all switched off or the water supply to its office was cut. We regulate those industries because their continued reasonable operation is essential to make sure everyone else can continue to operate reasonably as well.

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gck1
13 minutes ago
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I'm seeing the same thing. I was consulting a group of people in my city that wanted to digitize massive load of old VHS tapes. No AI, no crazy tech, just standard, boring storage+network infrastructure.

I'm looking at the procurement sheet that I made for them a year ago. Half of the items are no longer available, while the other half became so expensive that we'd probably build 10 of such labs with these costs a year ago.

I'm also looking at my home NAS right now - I pray not even a plastic clip breaks inside, because I'd have to shut it down.

While these are still likely the first things that you'd think of being affected, I'm sure the effects are rippling through essentially every industry that utilizes these components in their supply chain. Which is probably - every industry nowadays?

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dakolli
58 minutes ago
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Because this perfect version of capitalism you think exists, doesn't.

We live in a world with markets dominated by cartels of tech companies who don't play by the rules. Every other industry that impacts society in a negative way typically pays some sort of specialized tax to offset that, I don't know why these tech oligarchs shouldn't have too. It's wild how people just want to let them do whatever they want.

Everyone says we need to deregulate tech, and certain industries to get ahead of China.. Isn't it funny how their largely government controlled economy (to a degree) is annihilating the west on all fronts economically. We need far more regulation.

China will defeat the West solely because it regulates its billionaires, not the other way around like we have it in the West. And I hope so, the world is rooting for you China.

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infecto
5 minutes ago
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Way to put words in people mouths. Markets are imperfect but I do believe on average they are one of the better tools to solve supply and demand issues.

I don’t know who will come out winners but I do agree that China did well taking the playbook from Singapore and navigating their country through incredible amounts of growth. They are still facing depressing housing prices and deflation in other parts of the economy.

There are absolutely areas where markets breakdown, thinking problems where impacts are on longer horizons but for simple supply and demand like what we are seeing today, things will sort out in a couple years.

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embedding-shape
1 hour ago
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The post seems to indicate this is just for VPSs, which doesn't seem true, the email I just received from Hetzner mentions price increases for dedicated servers too.

The ones I'm affected by seemingly:

  Product -> previous price -> New price as of 1 April 2026
  EX42-NVMe (FSN1) -> € 49.65 -> € 51.13
  AX41 (FSN1) -> € 49.73 -> € 51.22
  AX41-NVMe (FSN1) -> € 49.73 -> € 51.18
  Server Auction -> € 65.22 -> € 67.18
Still cheap compared to the performance + unmetered bandwidth, so I'm personally not super upset about it, my monthly bill in total goes up maybe 40-50 EUR in total, not that outrageous.

Here is the full list of the updated prices: https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availabi...

Seems it's because of increased cost of hardware, and they seemingly tried to avoid increasing the prices but they couldn't. From the email:

> The underlying causes of the increased costs are, among others, the exploding demand for AI-related computing power and for cloud services. In addition, raw material prices and production costs have also generally risen for manufacturers. The costs for RAM and SSDs especially have risen by a large amount. For example, the cost for DRAM memory has increased up to 500% since September 2025. And according to market researchers like TrendForce, this price trend will continue throughout the year.

> We have genuinely tried hard to optimize our costs and to prevent increasing our prices for as long as possible. But we can no longer compensate for the strain that it has placed on our operations. We want to continue to deliver quality products that meet both our standards and your expectations, so we must take this step.

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ozgune
1 hour ago
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These changes are effective April 1st for existing and new customers. The price increase ratios are also different across product lines.

* Cloud (VMs): 38%

* Bare metal: 15%

* Memory add-on for bare metal: 575% (effective immediately)

It feels like memory add-on is intentionally set high to discourage customers from adding more memory.

AX102 (128 GB RAM) costs €124, AX162 (256 GB RAM) costs €244, but the 128 GB memory add-on alone costs €264. If we ignore the setup fee, it’s more cost-effective to provision additional servers instead of adding RAM to bare metal instances.

Here's the link to cloud and bare metal pricing changes: https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availabi...

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jsheard
1 hour ago
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> * Memory add-on for bare metal: 575% (effective immediately)

> It feels like memory add-on is intentionally set very high to discourage customers from adding more memory.

Memory prices are so stupid now that 575% is pretty close to their actual costs.

https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/

DDR5-6000 2x32GB: ~$200 -> ~$1000

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rozenmd
1 hour ago
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Have you seen the price of RAM recently?
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embedding-shape
1 hour ago
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AFAIK, it's been stabilizing lately at the current price, so at least it's not increasing anymore: https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/

By the same time next year the prices likely gone down, although maybe not to the pre-increase, but surely much lower than currently. Putting it in my calendar to revisit this comment in a year :)

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Forgeties79
41 minutes ago
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Stabilized at 5x (or more), a change that occurred over like 3mo.

Grocery prices have also stabilized but I’m still paying too much ha

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embedding-shape
40 minutes ago
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Well, if all the doomers and gloomers were correct that this is the end of hardware at home, we'd see the price continue to increase, and suppliers trying to ramp up production, even if it'd take long time.

The fact that it stabilized (at whatever price) and that suppliers aren't even thinking about ramping up production, should tell people that the doomers and gloomers were yet again over-reacting to things they don't fully understand themselves.

> Grocery prices have also stabilized but I’m still paying too much

I think that's a local problem, if you happen to live in a country that's trying to move over to isolationism rather than globalism as of late. In other modern countries the prices are also increasing, but at least following inflation somewhat so the increase doesn't seem as bad for us. Maybe at least yet? Who knows.

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jeroenhd
16 minutes ago
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> Well, if all the doomers and gloomers were correct that this is the end of hardware at home, we'd see the price continue to increase, and suppliers trying to ramp up production, even if it'd take long time.

Ramping up production takes months and paying back the price to ramp up production takes years. Manufacturers have started investing in more production capacity but it'll take a while before supply can be sold off.

Based on interviews with industry professionals, I believe the forecast is that RAM prices will start going down again between August and the end of next year. Until then, prices will climb as stock depletes and RAM production is capped.

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embedding-shape
12 minutes ago
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> Manufacturers have started investing in more production capacity

Where are you getting this from? Because that's not what I've seen, if anything the industry seems to lowering the production capacity, not increasing it.

And even if it takes years, if they thought it was a sustainable growth in demand, they'd at least be moving in that direction which again, doesn't seem to be happening.

> I believe the forecast is that RAM prices will start going down again between August and the end of next year. Until then, prices will climb as stock depletes and RAM production is capped.

You're already wrong with this today, prices stopped climbing already and have been stabilizing at the current prices... https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/

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ed_mercer
1 hour ago
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> * Memory add-on for bare metal: 575% (effective immediately)

I don’t see this anywhere, source?

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embedding-shape
1 hour ago
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Yeah, not sure where they're getting those from.

From the Robot UI, I tried ordering a new EX44 or EX63:

- EX63 comes with 64 GB DDR5 by default, can be upgraded to 192 GB DDR5 ECC for added €42.35

- EX44 comes with 64 GB by default, can be upgraded to 128 GB DDR4 Non-ECC for added € 16.94 max. per month

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ffsm8
56 minutes ago
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> These changes are effective April 1st for existing and new customers.

Checking today doesn't really indicate anything.

It's worth noting that the hardware price of RAM is up at least 550% yoy, so this was always going to happen as soon as their existing contracts had to be renewed

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embedding-shape
53 minutes ago
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> > These changes are effective April 1st for existing and new customers.

I thought the "effective immediately" mean that April 1st threshold wasn't for the memory...

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ozgune
56 minutes ago
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I used Hetzner's pricing calculator.

https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax162-r/configu...

Before today, we used to be able to order an AX162-R for €207 and add 128 GB of RAM for €46. Starting today, the same calculator provides €207 for an AX162-R (*) and €264 for the 128 GB RAM add-on. Sadly, HN doesn't let me upload screenshots.

(*) The price change for AX162-R machines is effective starting April 1st.

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jsheard
2 hours ago
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This was already discussed, but that post got dumped onto page 5 after just a couple of hours for some reason.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47120145

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littlecranky67
15 minutes ago
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My CCX13 (dedicated cores) went from 15€ to 20€ now. Looking at Netcup as alternative, more cores and more RAM for 12€ - anybody has experience with their root (kvm'ed) servers?
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iSloth
28 minutes ago
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Still a fraction of the cost of most other providers, and wouldn't shock me if we see the others all doing something similar.
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hyperionultra
9 minutes ago
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This will be as a shockwave in web hosting industry, the same as it was with electricity price. There is nowhere to run. Everyone will increase their prices, unless hardware crysis ends up.
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spockz
8 minutes ago
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OVH increased prices by even more. So no reason to move.
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flowerthoughts
1 hour ago
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I really love that their notification email includes applicable price change for my specific servers.

The worst counter example of this was Mercedes sending me an email saying "the terms and conditions have been updated, please read them at this link". It linked to the 52 page document I was supposed to read through in its entirety and manually diff against previous! Good thing they started adding a change log in the emails after some customer push back.

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dizhn
1 hour ago
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My ISP sends me an SMS telling me there's work being done in my area. I have 3 different accounts with them in different citites. No idea which one they are talking about at any given time.
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devops000
1 hour ago
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Still cheaper than US cloud computing.

In EU there are: Hetzner, OVH and Seeweb.

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personality0
1 hour ago
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Also Scaleway
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raphaelj
1 hour ago
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I like Scaleway a lot too.
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keepamovin
45 minutes ago
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Wow. That sucks. hcloud was great for ages and highly competitively priced.

Vultr may be a good alternative. If you want to search VPS prices across the 6 major clouds (gcloud, aws-cli, hcloud, az, doctl, and vultr-cli) I made a wrapper TUI that lets you search, sort, and rent VPS.

See it here: https://tui.bluedot.ink

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embedding-shape
36 minutes ago
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> Vultr may be a good alternative

I feel like a huge selling point of Hetzner is that they're based in Europe, and they're themselves citing that as the reason for a huge uptick in sales and new users. In that context, I don't Vultr is a realistic alternative.

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keepamovin
17 minutes ago
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OK, I never thought of it like that. It was always a price thing. For a while Vultr and Hetzner were much better value per unit.

What's behind the European push?

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embedding-shape
10 minutes ago
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> What's behind the European push?

Obviously the US pushing absolutely everyone away and making EU and Europe the new enemy, so now we here want to reciprocate that and feel the need to move away from US infrastructure ASAP.

Personally I've been on a personal quest to minimize my usage of US-based services for many years already, but right now it's even part of the mainstream conversations, so seems to be ramping up, finally.

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keepamovin
4 minutes ago
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Is this voting with dollars (euros) due to views, or is there a regulatory reason to avoid US providers in Europe?
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pier25
41 minutes ago
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I would be very surprised if all hosting providers didn’t increase their prices eventually.
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moooo99
25 minutes ago
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This is it. Hetzner has always been very price competitive in its existence. Given the private ownership, I din‘t expect this to be a sudden outburst of greed, but to actually reflect rising costs.

If a provider has higher margins, they may choose to eat some of the cost. But I would not expect that to be the case across the board

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superze
21 minutes ago
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Surely that means that as soon as prices of ram drop, Hetzner will also drop the prices, right? RIGHT?
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Aldipower
19 minutes ago
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Even my more then 11 years old server increases by 80 Eurocent! Dare you!
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FlamingMoe
1 hour ago
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I am confused why the announcement page says CCX33 in USA "Old price" is €59.49 but their main pricing page shows €50.49 for CCX33 in USA

Announcement page: http://docs.hetzner.com/de/general/infrastructure-and-availa...

Pricing page: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/

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jsheard
1 hour ago
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I assume that's with/without tax. Those German prices would be inclusive of their 19% VAT.
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Havoc
1 hour ago
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This comes after OVH sent emails with really spicy increases too. Like north of 50
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antonyh
1 hour ago
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I got no such email, was this for VPS or dedicated servers?
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Havoc
44 minutes ago
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Not sure which products but Reddit etc was in uproar

https://www.reddit.com/r/OVHcloud/comments/1ra5jzg/ovh_doubl...

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antonyh
1 hour ago
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On one hand this is not good but predictable. I'm on longer-term commitments with OVH, so it will be interesting to see how they follow. I'm still keeping Hetzner on my shopping list, even with the increase the bare-metal offerings are within my budget, and now that prices have increases they should be stable for a while (also import for budget management).
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klodolph
1 hour ago
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This mirrors the increased costs of people who already space + power in a DC, and want to buy new machines to fill their racks. Everybody is being hit.
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gck1
1 hour ago
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This is likely just the first wave. If this component hoarding by AI continues, and it likely will, at some point, it will be just OpenAI and Anthropic who can afford to have compute.

This has affected SSDs first, then RAM, then HDD and it doesn't look like even HDD manufacturers are going to increase production. So unless groups of people suddenly learn how to manufacture all of this hardware and open factories quickly, it's going to be a very fun next few years.

People have been predicting SaaS will die for all the wrong reasons. It's not that anyone can ship a SaaS clone by prompting an AI, it's that nobody is going to have access to the hardware required.

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dizhn
1 hour ago
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They've only ever increased the ipv4 prices for already existing customers before if I am not mistaken. This is quite big.
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embedding-shape
1 hour ago
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> They've only ever increased the ipv4 prices for already existing customers before if I am not mistaken

No, that's not true, they've done increases before, at least for VPSes only, I think that was 1 or 2 years ago or so?

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dizhn
46 minutes ago
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You might be right. Sorry. I should have said they haven't increased prices for existing dedicated servers since my direct experince is only there. Actually until about 3-4 years ago when the whole world went to shit, using a server for a year or two then upgrading to a better server for cheaper, was the norm. In that environment, you would naturally not have price increases.
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embedding-shape
32 minutes ago
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I also don't think you're right that it never happened for the dedicated servers :) I'm only using Hetzner for dedicated servers, and found an email from 2022 where they mention price updates:

> Unfortunately, we are forced to increase the prices on these Server Auction models [...] old price 37.60 Euro -> 59.29 Euro, comes into effect 2022-03-03

Citing raising energy prices at that time.

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dizhn
1 minute ago
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Probably not for existing customers (their existing servers). I don't recall anything other than the IPv4 related increase in the past. I might be wrong of course as I've demonstrated already.
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chasd00
1 hour ago
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If you just want an app server pick up an hp elitedesk off ebay and a ups and run it on your home inet connection.
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data-ottawa
59 minutes ago
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Note: your ISP might cut your account, and this might violate your home insurance contract — depending on jurisdiction.

At least where I live there’s a stupid amount of red tape for these things.

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stephenr
28 minutes ago
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IF you just want a Pizza, pour some tomato ketchup on sliced bread.

If you just want to pilot a 747, drive your car really fast at a skate ramp.

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CodeCompost
55 minutes ago
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How much is the cost for Storage Boxes increasing?
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dwedge
1 hour ago
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My increases were around 4%
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dakolli
1 hour ago
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I recommend Netcup as a solid EU budget alternative to Hetzner, zero complaints from me.
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this_user
38 minutes ago
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They are solid and cheaper, but they don't offer the same level of control plane and API access as Hetzner that is really helpful when managing a larger number of servers.
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amiga-workbench
49 minutes ago
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Their ARM64 boxes are fantastic, but sold out at the moment.
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jedisct1
58 minutes ago
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Ouch. OVH are also going to increase their prices.
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singpolyma3
1 hour ago
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... more customers so they must increase prices? This seems backwards from how scale usually works.
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benry1
40 minutes ago
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It is, but more customers at a time of historically high component prices will do it. If you set your costs assuming every user's hardware is $1, and your customer base doubles when the hardware is $2, you're going to have to raise prices for everybody
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Macha
52 minutes ago
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The next set of hardware purchases will cost more than their last set of hardware purchases, and that's going to outweigh any labour economies of scale given just how many hardware components are in shortage this year.

If their growth had been in their projections in say 2024, they might have just been able to skip a round of hardware purchases, but the combination of growth meaning they must expand their hardware and hardware costs made this inevitable.

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HelloUsername
59 minutes ago
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"Edit: It's 36% ! Can't edit the title typo of 38%"
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lnsru
1 hour ago
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Can anybody predict this craze? The classical memory manufacturers are not yet adding additional manufacturing capacity. They learned this hard way in the past. That means, the demand is here to stay for years without typical bubble burst. Is this a point where Chinese companies will rise worldwide?
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g-mork
33 minutes ago
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The massive DC overbuild matches demand, prices normalise somewhat in 3-5 years.

The massive DC overbuild does not match demand, prices tank in 3-5 years.

Third possibility: some approach like Taalas renders the current storyline meaningless. Would put 3 in 10 odds of this happening but I'd looove to see it.

Fourth: entire planet gets profoundly sick of emdashes, we all move back into caves and live in eternal gratitude of the moment humanity woke up to how little all of this really matters.

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mv4
36 minutes ago
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Hard to predict. If the bubble pops (NVIDIA and "circular economy", massive FAANG datacenter expansion plans, huge LLM training budgets) the markets will once again be flooded with components.

But, the shortages may very well continue into 2027, leading to some manufacturers going out of business and yet another massive redistribution of wealth.

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seydor
45 minutes ago
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... and still remain far too cost-effective. Frankly this says more about the rest of the industry than for hetzner
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vdupras
1 hour ago
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Silver lining: can you imagine how dirt cheap RAM will be after that bubble has popped? Oh my...
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Ekaros
40 minutes ago
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It won't. Demand is being pushed forward. That means that longer this situation take longer it will take for prices to recover to same levels.
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maxboone
1 hour ago
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RAM producers aren't adding more capacity on the non-HBM side of things, so we shouldn't see a dramatic drop in pricing if AI HBM memory demand drops.
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gck1
1 hour ago
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No manufacturer is increasing supply though. RAM, SSD, HDD - they just reallocated their existing supply to AI.
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poszlem
56 minutes ago
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This is a simplistic view of why the prices are the way they are.
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ReptileMan
1 hour ago
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BuyFromEU is the funniest subreddit there is right now. Unintentionally but still entertaining. EU has managed to paint itself into unenviable corner. I can't buy from EU even thought I want to because for physical goods - cross country shipping costs are prohibitive and for digital - they are either subpar, more expensive or both.

Try this as experiment - try to buy something like precision dowel pins from Poland or DOLD Mechatronik with shipping to Greece, Bulgaria or Romania vs the same thing from Aliexpress or Temu. Chinese costs are cheaper even if they have to fly here.

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piltdownman
1 hour ago
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QC / Cheap Shipping / TEMU or AliX Pricing

Pick 2.

Not to mention that from July 1, 2026, the EU is abolishing the €150 duty-free threshold for non-EU shipments. This is specifically targeted at the flood of packages from marketplaces like Temu and Shein.

From July there will be a flat customs duty of €3 for small consignments. This fee applies per category. If your package contains items from different product groups (e.g., a shirt and a cable), you might pay the fee multiple times.

The Goal: To create fair competition for European retailers who can't compete with subsidized shipping and tax loopholes from massive non-EU sellers.

This will obviously have a knock-on effect for larger shipped items which are presumably subsidised at the bottom line by these parcels of fast-fashion and eWaste.

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retired
43 minutes ago
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As someone that frequently buys low-cost second hand electronics from Japan, I am a little frustrated about the €3 per-category customs duty. That means a €80 package of various old game cartridges, retro handhelds, digital watches and collectables will now have another €12 to €24 on top of the 21% VAT and €6 handling fee. For an €80 package I am now looking at €15 for shipping and €34 to €46 in import cost. That kills a fun hobby.
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JasonADrury
1 hour ago
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>Try this as experiment - try to buy something like precision dowel pins from Poland or DOLD Mechatronik with shipping to Greece, Bulgaria or Romania vs the same thing from Aliexpress or Temu. Chinese costs are cheaper even if they have to fly here.

This is an awful experiment. Only consumers care about delivery costs on deliveries like these, and what you're looking at are explicitly not goods aimed at consumers.

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ReptileMan
1 hour ago
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Okay. Then buy pizza oven from Italy and see how shipping costs are 60% of the price of the oven.

Anyway - you seems to misunderstand. If transporting something from Shenzhen to Franfurt is cheaper than transporting the same thing from Krakow to Thessaloniki - means that EU has fucked up royally in its main mission - to facilitate movement of goods. WE have ungodly patch of local carriers and courier companies and a lot of friction in every kind of intra eu goods movement.

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JasonADrury
12 minutes ago
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> Then buy pizza oven from Italy and see how shipping costs are 60% of the price of the oven

Is it even physically possible to deliver at a significantly lower cost? Pizza ovens are both very large and very heavy, you can't fit many of them in a vehicle. They're also tricky to load and unload.

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GJim
10 minutes ago
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> If transporting something from Shenzhen to Franfurt is cheaper than transporting the same thing from Krakow to Thessaloniki - means that EU has fucked up

Ummmm. No.

It means the United Nations Universal Post Union international treaties which effectively provide China with subsidised postage TO THE WORLD (as China is a "developing country") needs urgently updating....... Some of the postage you pay to send parcels within the boarders of your own country is used to subsidise crap posted from China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union

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