Generative AI Use and Depressive Symptoms Among US Adults
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Sol-
8 minutes ago
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Maybe I'm nitpicking here, but in their abstract

> "Greater levels of AI use were associated with modest increases in depressive symptoms"

to me ever so slightly implies causality via "increases ...", even though, as they are also very transparent about, this paper isn't about any causal mechanism. I feel like "associated with higher rates of depressive symptoms" might have read more neutrally and would have been in line with the results of their paper.

Not suggesting something intentional by the authors, of course, I just found it interesting how verbs subtly influence the meaning of things, at least for me.

But perhaps I'm also biased because I kind of intuitively believe that the causation is that depressive people enjoy talking to the AI, rather than AI being the cause of anything. I worry that any reverse interpretations will lead to an over-regulation of AI in such contexts.

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erikgahner
12 minutes ago
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A lot of people might read this and infer that AI use causes depressive symptoms, but the study cannot say anything about causation at all. The study is also transparent about this fact: "Further work is needed to understand whether these associations are causal"
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theknarf
4 minutes ago
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I would make sense that depressed people use AI as an assistive tool in their daily lives.
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Aurornis
8 minutes ago
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This is a study where reading the details is important. I’m already seeing comments guessing that the results are due to AI changing the nature of work, but the paper shows that the non-work daily users are driving the result.

> The highest estimates were observed among individuals using AI for personal use

and

> Incorporating individual terms for school, work, and personal use, only personal use was significantly associated with PHQ-9 (β = 0.31 [95% CI, 0.10-0.52]), while the other 2 were not

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giantg2
19 minutes ago
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Makes sense to me. It's the old the work you put in determines what satisfaction you get out of it. If everything is done for you, then what satisfaction is there?
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Sol-
4 minutes ago
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The paper does seem to include a section where they check what the AI is used for and in work contexts, there was no correlation between depression and AI usage. Only in personal contexts.
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hackyhacky
10 minutes ago
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> It's the old the work you put in determines what satisfaction you get out of it.

I guess that explains why people who dig ditches for a living are so satisfied.

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LatencyKills
1 hour ago
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I realize my situation isn’t typical, but I’m retired and have dealt with depression most of my life.

The thing I miss most about work (yes, you really can miss work) is collaborative problem-solving. At Microsoft, we called it “teddy bear debugging”—basically, self-explaining a problem out loud to clarify your thinking. [1]

These days, when I’m stuck, I open Claude Code and “talk it through.” That back-and-forth helps me reason through technical issues and scratches a bit of that collaborative itch that helped keep my depression in check.

[1]: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/w...

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byproxy
59 seconds ago
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Yep, this, so far, proven the most promising use of LLMs, to me. I've read about people's Rube Goldberg machine-eqsue setups for getting agentic LLMs to work for them, but I find simply having a dialectic with an LLM to be more fruitful. Rubber-ducking with a duck that quacks back.
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righthand
7 minutes ago
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But talking with an Llm isn’t teddy bear/rubber duck debugging because your llm has some high odds of outputting good feedback. Teddy bear/rubber duck debugging involves the other party not knowing anything about your problem let a lone even capable of giving a response (hence why it’s not go-ask-a-coworker/teacher/professional debugging). It’s about getting yourself to refocus the problem and state what you already know and allowing your brain to organize the facts.

I’m not trying to be rude but it seems like you’re conflating collaborative problem solving with rubber duck debugging.

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poszlem
15 minutes ago
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Or "rubberducking" as it's called now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
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incomingpain
5 minutes ago
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USA depression has been on the rise for a long time. ~20% in 2015. To 29% most recently. Blame on covid is appropriate im sure. The original causes sourcing from the 80s and 90s, that are still ongoing.

Whereas generative AI is a recent thing. ~27% in 2021.

The correlation therefore is very very low and certainly not causal.

The question 'can AI make it worse' and this study didnt really do that.

Then consider confounders and this study is even weaker. Depression leads into AI usage, not the other way around.

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