▲What does it mean it's "governed by European privacy". Isn't Europe who wants to prevent privacy with things like Chat Control?
reply▲Chat Control was nowhere near to become law. Last Fall, they would have voted about whether they really talk about it, but even that failed. Even if it would have been successful, nothing would have guaranteed that it becomes a law, or that it wouldn’t have been watered down completely. And the whole topic was kept alive somehow when it was well known even in September that the proposal was dead, because Germany doesn’t support it, and they didn’t have the necessary number of votes. Yet, there were articles even in November which stated that Germany decided only at that time that they don’t support it, which was obviously not true. It seemed to me like an artificial bubble of outrage. It was a bad proposal, so the outrage was needed until September. It’s just strange that people still pretend that it’s not dead half year after it became impossible to even consider it in the parliament.
reply▲askonomm45 minutes ago
[-] Given that it has been struck down multiple times now, it's the minority of European Union members. Making a blanket statement of "Europe" (which btw is not the same as EU) is just insulting.
reply▲carlesfe30 minutes ago
[-] And it was Europe who, every time, fought back and won.
It works both ways.
EU has GDPR. US has the Cloud Act.
Chat Control is a proposal. The other two above are established regulations on either side of the Atlantic.
A question I ask rather here than on that old thread: Is it possible to attach a monitor, mouse and keyboard to a jolla phone with sailfish and run a linux desktop?
reply▲bloomingeek56 minutes ago
[-] I have a NexPhone on order for this very reason. I can't wait to see how it will work out.
reply▲Not now, and probably not in the near future.
Don't buy if this is your main goal.
> User configurable physical Privacy Switch - turn off your microphone, bluetooth, Android apps, or whatever you wish
The "whatever you wish" seems to indicate that this is a regular switch that can be configured to turn off certain functionality. Is that true?
I was hoping for a solution that physically disconnects the microphone/cameras/etc, or at least acts at some lower level than the OS. But if it's flexible and configurable then it sadly doesn't look as secure.
It could do both, but it does say “or whatever”, not “and”.
reply▲craftkiller2 hours ago
[-] How would you have a user-configurable switch that physically disconnects things? The mechanism for that sounds complex. I'm not a hardware person, but I imagine you'd need to route the traces for each possible component to the switch and then have like a dip switch panel to control which behaviors are controlled by the switch. Either that or a software-controlled equivalent to a dip switch panel that can only be configured in the bootloader, otherwise the software-controlled physical disconnect would be no safer than a software disconnect.
reply▲Im not a hardware person either, but ex the button physically turns off the canera, and software polls for camera power and can respond
reply▲Ah I think I understand what you're suggesting now. This hypothetical switch is both a physical and software disconnect. Some features like the camera would be physically disconnected by the switch and therefore would not be user-configurable but then some other features (for example, GPS) could additionally be software disconnected at the same time.
That seems like a neat idea, but IMO I wouldn't trust the software-controlled half of it, so I'd end up only using the non-configurable physical portion of it.
As soon as it is sufficiently complex, it becomes a "trust me bro" switch.
reply▲Nokia N900 was really great, Jolla has some of the former team people.
I only jumped into Android after my Symbian phone died, and by then Symbian Belle, with QT and PIPS (PIPS Is POSIX on Symbian OS), it was already shapping great.
That Burning Memo was really a downer.
"Burning the boats," in the form of getting rid of Jolla (and whatever happened to Meego) is one of those management aphorisms that needs to die. As it turns out, having an alternative to Windows phone would've been a better decision. No guarantee of success, but less of an irrecoverable failure at least. Where is that Elop guy now?
reply▲Enjoying his golden parachute
reply▲Loved my N900 also, it was peak phone for me.
But more importantly, we need an alternative to two big tech companies who are cranking the enshittification dial right up while also remaining under a particular country's laws.
What does full-stack mean here?
Phone is fully produced in Europe?
Software and online storage fully provided by European company?
edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch.
Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.
Usually 'full stack' just means software. Here it means a true Linux phone (Sailfish OS) plus Android compatibility with sandboxing. The C2 model is made in Turkey from Asian parts. The new phone is manufactured in Asia, but the final assembly, QA, and software flashing are done in Finland.
This isn't for people with a consumer mindset. It’s for people who want a Linux computer in their pocket, more privacy, and still want to run some Android apps.
There are phones that can run "true Linux" out there, and there even are ports of Sailfish OS for some of them, but Jolla phones were never part of those and rely on Android drivers instead.
reply▲Pinephone/pro
What else use main line kernel without blob ?
mytailorisrich5 hours ago
[-] But even the full software stack isn't European as it runs on a Mediatek platform (ie. all the cellular stack and platform software is from Mediatek, which is from Taiwan). It's the
apps software stack on top of the Linux kernel that is potentially "European".
There are no longer any cellular chipset vendors based in Europe, afaik, so there's really no alternative. It's also hard to see how they will ever again be one.
helsinkiandrew6 hours ago
[-] The previous Jolla C2 phone was built by Reeder in Turkey - they don't seem to say anything about the new phone
reply▲https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-out-of-stock/27573/5Let us clarify here as it is very different indeed.
The Jolla C2 Community Phone is done in collaboration with Reeder, who is the HW vendor. This means Reeder sources the components, plans the production and does the manufacturing in Turkey. Jolla provides the complete software stack (Sailfish OS) which is installed by Reeder in the manufacturing.
In the new Jolla Phone everything is different. Jolla is the vendor, has designed the product itself, done the component sourcing and pays directly to the component vendors. We control the pipeline. Further, we have secured our position for the initial memory batch with advance purchase.
Also, to be clear: Reeder has no involvement in the new Jolla Phone.
Thank you for asking, very good points to clarify!
reply▲When I first read the headline I thought all hardware components are European as well. Seems like it's referring to the software stack only.
reply▲Apparently "full-stack alternative" means "layered on top of Android" these days, as Jolla does with libhybris.
reply▲From what I understand it's the opposite, an android compatibility thing layered on top of a linux base.
reply▲It's both; the one I mentioned is for system drivers, the one you're talking about is for running applications (which you can also do on a regular non-Halium GNU/Linux using e.g. Waydroid).
reply▲I'm sure that if you tell Jolla about a relatively modern mobile SOC with mainline linux support, they'll look into it instead of relying on libhybris.
reply▲I'm deeply saddened that they didn't add a 3.5mm audio/headphone jack.
There was a community poll and I believe a headphone jack was the second-most requested feature after a MicroSD slot.
I appreciate they have to draw a line under the feature set somewhere, however the cost of an audio jack is literal pennies and I'm quite sure the PCB designers could have squeezed it in somewhere.
As someone who has no interest in wireless accessories it makes me unwilling to buy the phone.
robcohen12 minutes ago
[-] Seems like a very poor choice to build in a headphone jack. Why not just use usb c to headphone adapter?
reply▲why does it seem like a very poor choice to you, exactly?
as for using an adapter, it's one extra thing to carry and also difficult to charge with simultaneously
The most important question missing from the FAQ is whether bank apps, government ID apps, etc. will work with this phone.
reply▲Everything hinges on app support.
Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. Most companies offer them only for iOS and Android.
If your smartphone can't run the vast majority of apps, it is basically dead on arrival. Nobody is going to buy it when they need to carry another phone anyways.
The only way around this is either emulation (which Google is trying very hard to sabotage) or heavy-handed regulation forcing app developers to also support niche platforms. I don't think either option is likely to work.
reply▲They don’t need to specifically support “niche platforms,” which will never happen anyway. They just need to support the one, universal platform every device (be it phone, laptop or desktop) can always access, the web.
reply▲And they don't want to, because that experiment ran for around 20 years and resoundingly failed. Turns out it's really hard to stop the bottom quintile of users from entering all their credentials into just about any website that looks similar to what they are used to - and then their identity/money is just gone.
Stopping those users without a trusted authority deciding which electron-wrapped websites are genuine is an unsolved problem, I think.
If the app truly just plumbed a webview and cert verification - which has been doable for over a decade - it would be very portable and this wouldn't be a problem.
The apps don't just do that though; they call into and use an awful lot of the system APIs for user tracking / semi-native experience / biometrics and probably a whole host of other things. Its the incompatibility in these that drags compatibility.
> The apps don't just do that though; they call into and use an awful lot of the system APIs for user tracking / semi-native experience / biometrics and probably a whole host of other things. Its the incompatibility in these that drags compatibility.
Both can be true. Many (most?) online banking apps are just shitty wrapped javascript, that also uses an awful lot of system APIs.
I'm using a couple of different banks, and not a single one has anything close to a native app. Because how nice would that be? Responsive interface (since it doesn't need to load every single view from the server), instant search over your transactions (since the DB can be cached locally), instant access to all the PDFs in your inbox... but no.
Although I haven't held one in my hands, apparently there's Flutter support for Harmony OS. There are quite a lot of mobile apps implemented in Flutter and Dart, and platform support for alternative phone OSs looks doable.
reply▲> Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities.I've never owned a smartphone in my life and are not planning on getting one, and I'm going through life just fine.
reply▲bryanrasmussen5 hours ago
[-] >heavy-handed regulation forcing app developers to also support niche platforms.
should work for banking and governmental applications, especially as those should already have the workflow in place to support niche platforms.
carlosjobim11 minutes ago
[-] It's not a huge hassle to keep another phone around for these things, if you really want to have a Jolla phone.
Of course they cannot answer this in the FAQ, because they have no insight into how thousands of different banks and other third parties will make their decisions on which devices to allow.
I would strongly advise do not spend any money on Jolla devices. Check their history of Tablet and other preorder products?
reply▲Reduce it to the size of iPhone 5 and make the main camera flush with the surface, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
reply▲The size has been decided based on a poll within the community. I also wish it was smaller, but the majority has decided...
reply▲user272225 minutes ago
[-] Some people said it's using libhybris. I thought this one was vanilla Linux. Any pointers either way?
reply▲I don't understand how the physical privacy switch can also be user configurable. Wouldn't configurability mean it's a software privacy switch?
reply▲Jolla is dying as they are after profit with old mindset, not to make a real difference.
SailfishOS is more closed source, how badly they handle the preorder of devises like tablets, you required to pay licensing for emd user of linux OS. And they tried to make profit to sell their OS to Russia via Yandex and VVP.
I invested in this. I am quite sick of the attitudes of some of the big american phone players.
This is coming from someone who has for the longest time been invested in Apple and the Apple Ecosystem. I adored the ease of integration of everything. The amazing synergy between their designers, and their engineers. I never really minded that things came later to the Apple Ecosystem. It just worked. And it was great.
But the golden statue, the absolute pathetic DMA attitude from Apple. It started to get to me. And I am trying to now get out of that Apple Ecosystem.
I don't think it'll be smooth. I think the process will be painful as I try to work around some of the limitations. No NFC payments will be my biggest painpoint as an ADHD addled man who forgets his wallet at least 3x a week. But it's worth trying. And it's worth supporting alternatives.
another adhd guy here.
I haven't tried it, so i can't vouch for it to any degree of certainty, but maybe it's an option to have your main payment card in a sleeve inside your phone case?
Even if it works, it's only a drop in the bucket, but maybe that's enough if you consider the lack of NFC payment a major issue.
thank you for pushing for an alternative to android and apple
reply▲That’s actually the plan going forward - right now I actually have a MagSafe wallet - and that does help a little bit.
reply▲TheCapeGreek2 hours ago
[-] Tons of non-Apple phones support NFC payments, unless you're specifically referring to Jolla.
reply▲Sure, but they’re android and I don’t necessarily consider google better
reply▲Jolla is dying as they are after profit not freedom or add something that truly makes a difference. Check how open is SailfishOS (it is more closed), how tablet project they preordered and never returned money. It is more a lie!
They sold to Russia (via VVP and Yandex) their OS! Seems nothing novel is there, this is why it did not had any traction.
reply▲1. A company needs a positive cashflow to keep existing.
2. Closed parts of Sailfish are being opened up slowly (There are new owners).
3. The tablet was in 2015, 11 years ago.
4. They are not Russia owned anymore, but Finnish now.
abc123abc1231 hour ago
[-] Great initiative but too big. Give me a 3.5" phone, under 100g with 2 weeks battery life, and we're in business!
Oh the joy, of being able to back it up with restic, integrate my email, text and script based workflows, and have total control of the ports and software that runs on the device. That would be amazing!
sailorganymede5 hours ago
[-] I noticed that the orders hasn't bumped up that much since this was shared last time. Not really sure I see the growth here is showing a lot of demand for a European smartphone - although I could totally be wrong given the geopolitical situation.
reply▲The preorder did hit 10k, this is the normal order screen
reply▲OccamsMirror4 hours ago
[-] If they were smart they would show those number here. It's like walking past an empty restaurant.
reply▲joshuakoehler44 minutes ago
[-] Hmm, die deutsche Version der Seite ist nicht anderes - vielleicht ein Bug?
reply▲That definitely seems to be the better alternative amongst all others. While I appreciate all the energy put into graphene or lineage it appears to me like way too much energy for Half baked solutions. Depending on google good will in the future too. I can understand them as hack, not that much as industrial proposals.
reply▲Anyone use the Jolla C2? Seems pretty interesting (not fully European though)
reply▲I want to believe! I remember the Palm Pre and webOS, maybe this is the next big thing.
reply▲What's the sandboxing & app permissions story like on Sailfish OS? Is it just ordinary Linux, i.e. apps can basically do anything?
reply▲Well done, congratulations. My next phone will certainly be European to the root. Will be nice to come preinstalled with some free European (apps, socials and video hosting, like Vivaldi browser, HugstonOne local AI, Protonmail, Libreoffice, w-social, vimeo, mastodon, lemmy etc.
reply▲We need this, an alternative to Apple and Google.
I guess this is a descendent of my 16 year old Nokia N900, and probably the best phone I had. It ran the Maemo operating system, and its UI was a forerunner to a lot of what is current. It also had a built in, full, terminal.
Will it have USB C with DisplayPort alt mode?
reply▲I think they're working on it, but it isn't sure yet.
reply▲spinningslate6 hours ago
[-] Jolla has announced a new phone using its Sailfish OS so providing a full-stack European alternative to the Android/Apple duopoly.
reply▲Yeah but the core issue is that all apps for digital services for both private and government, at least in my EU country, are only shipped for the iOS/Android duopoly.
So having yet another 100th FOSS linux phone that won't run those apps is pointless until apps for these phones are shipped with feature parity, and they probably won't get shipped until these phones reach some critical mass adoption, and they won't get critical mass adoption because they don't run the popular apps.
If this is similar to LineageOS, then it's always potentially only a matter of time until some banking and payment apps stop working due to failing security attestation pushed by a Google update.
We need native apps that pass attestation out of the box for that phone/OS, not relying on hacks that may or may not work in the future.
This is not good UX and it poisons the well if you push users to a new platform then they discover some apps don't work as you promised.
Beats me why banks can't use a FIDO2 enabled web site.
reply▲Banks used to give us those RSA tokens in the past for securely logging in to the web UI, but then discovered they can cut down on cost since everyone has two brands of smartphones.
reply▲actionfromafar6 hours ago
[-] Jolla phones can run Android apps.
reply▲Your point seems to be "Some Jolla phones can run some Android apps," while GP's issue is that "It's not true that all Jolla phones can run all Android apps."
reply▲I bought the pre-order thing, but not sure what to expect - I guess to get an email at some point so I can buy it..
reply▲The OS is proprietary.
reply▲... and yet it's a tonne more developer friendly than Android is becoming.
reply▲throw567643u84 hours ago
[-] What's the difference between this and the Fairphone?
reply▲Fairphone produces strictly hardware.
Jolla produces software, SailfishOS. The hardware for this phone is sourced from third party vendors and then assembled and sold by Jolla.
This looks really cool. Orange, black and white being inspired by scandinavian design felt like a bit of a reach though.
reply▲I hate the camera bump trend. I don’t need a super fancy camera, just give me something half decent and flush with the device.
The original iPhone SE was the last time I enjoyed a phone’s design.
That's fair, but in my experience for many people the camera and/or battery are the main reasons to upgrade to a new phone (Also the reason why the presentations focus on the camera for a big chunk of time usually I'd guess) so if they want to compete with that it makes sense to have a decent camera.
reply▲It is enabled by smartphone reviewers excluding it from thickness measurements. I bet camera bumps would be a lot less prominent if they were clearly represented.
reply▲You might like the Pixel 10a/9a, they have an almost flush back. For this thread, not european but instead GrapheneOS capable.
reply▲I heard and read negative things about them, do they actually ship?
reply▲I mean 600+ euros is kind of a steep price, doubt I'll ever consider buying one because of that alone.
Also, as an italian, Jolla reminds me a lot of the word "Ciolla", which you can only guess what it's a slang for. That doesn't help.
Low quantity electronics like this have that problem. 600€ makes sense. The fact that you can buy a phone for much less than that, or a car for 15,000€ is a testament to what is possible at scale... When I saw single thousands quantities mentioned on the linked page I went "oh no..."
reply▲theshrike793 hours ago
[-] Italians were also the reason Moana was renamed Vaiana in Europe :D
reply▲true, spaniards are confused too
reply▲This project has been going for years. Good to see it lives on.
IMO there's a paradox with these privacy-focused mobile solutions. Just as with the expensive flagship corporate devices, the massive price tags suggest an assumption that we are doing all our computing on mobile. That's now the case for most normies. But for anyone who really cares about their privacy (not to mention sanity), there's a better solution available: repatriate most of one's computing to a laptop. At which point all these mobile devices become unjustifiably expensive. Hence the paradox.
PS: downvoting a reasoned opinion, apart from being lazy and toxic in any community, does not constitute a rebuttal.
'Approve this transaction in your smartphone app'. That is the killer.
reply▲huge notch and huge bottom bezel with mediocre Mediatek Dimensity 7100, all this for 650EUR with specs worse than 200EUR phones, that's like 450EUR for software, a bit high surcharge...
reply▲It's always surprising to see this type of comments on HN. Jolla is not Apple, they barely scrunged 10K orders for this phone, they can't afford the economy of scale that other mainstream vendors can.
reply▲The notch is a bit silly, given that you have the bezel at the bottom, but I guess it could be ergonomics.
I believe the phone is designed around feedback for customers/potential customers. Which tells me that other people have very different phone usage from my own. I would have asked for a much smaller phone and a €200 price tag. The processor and even a shitty camera doesn't really bother me. I just want a cheap phone that can run like five apps (sadly one is the type that won't work, i.e. payments), and not run Android or iOS.
There is a huge supply chain surplus of notch displays as nobody wants them so I guess they decided that "real open source" folks don't care about design and bought them for pennies.
reply▲Buy a Xperia XA2 on Ebay for 180€ + 25€ for SFOS license.
reply▲It's what you get when you have no phone manufacturing supply chains anymore because you shipped them all to China 20+ years ago then lost the OS wars to Apple and Google leaving you with no local phone industry. Then it's gonna cost you through the nose when you're making, what are now to your industry, niche low volume items.
Remember when you could buy EU made Nokias, Siemens and Ericssons? Even the chargers were made in Finland back then.
As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not.
For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.
>As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not.Well please go on, spill the tea, don't leave us hanging. This would be very interesting to hear.
>For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.
Well, according to my google-fu, the factory closures from Finland and germany were relocated to Hungary and Romania, so still EU, therefore the EU could have maintained a domestic phone manufacturing sector in its lowest cost countries as well, if they had kept those fabs and not close them down as well to move everything to china.
Everything about this screams of corporate greed and mismanagement on Nokia's part, way before Microsoft entered the picture.
reply▲Another good reason to dislike M$
reply▲I dislike the board that brought Elop in, and promised him a bonus if he managed to sell Nokia Mobiles business unit, and they were also the ones that decided to off-shore factories and R&D into Eastern Europe and India.
reply▲mytailorisrich3 hours ago
[-] Unfortunately Nokia was doomed because it was too slow and bureaucratic and could not adapt to the iPhone... Contrast with Samsung that managed to quickly churn out iphone "clones" and to iterate quickly.
reply▲Sure, if you miss the whole Bada OS failure, and Tizen for that matter.
reply▲What does MS have to do with this? The Nokia factory shuffling and strikes GP was mentioning happened before MS took over.
And people love to blame MS but Nokia was a sinking ship already by that point. MS was just a new captain added to steer the Titanic but the same fate was inevitable, as its home grown MeeGo/Maemo platform arrived too late and to too little adoption to stand a chance against the already established iOS and Android platforms who were throwing infinity money on becoming the undisputed mobile duopoly platforms, selling 10x as many devices as Nokia was selling Maemo N900s. It was already over for Nokia by that point same as it was for Blackberry. Nokia's own engineers admitted this the moment they got to play with the first iPhone at their Espoo HQ.
That's like blaming a drunk driver for hitting a guy that previously shot himself in the head.
Nothing MS could have done would have changed that fate for the better. WHat did people expect MS to have done?
actionfromafar4 hours ago
[-] Sure, but still, the driver was very intoxicated and ran over the guy, then put the car in reverse and ran over the guy again.
reply▲What does the driver matter if the guy was already dead?
reply▲I bet a judge would disagree on the inocence of the driver in such scenario.
reply▲You're missing the point to argue in bad faith. The point was the even if a drunk driver hadn't run over Nokia, they'd still be dead from the Android and iOS onslaught, doesn't matter who ran over their corpse after that. A judge won't make you a murderer for running over a corpse, just a drunk driver, this is such a weird hill to die on.
BTW, we're still waiting on the Nokia insider details you were mentioning before.
I won't spill any beans, some stuff is easy to find online, the other I usually keep my NDAs.
Nokia is still pretty much around, and owns where UNIX was born in case you missed that part of history.
While we had issues, the burning memo platform was the killer for the third party developer ecosystem, just coming around the hill to move from classical Symbian into Qt/PIPS, in a UNIX culture, to be told to go Windows.
Hold on a second, let's backtrack. First you say you can "tell stories about the factory rampdowns", then when pressed to tell those stories you say you can't "because of NDAs" .... from 20 years ago on a business that's now defunct ... not sure how any of that would be enforceable today, leading me to believe you're either chasing clout for upvotes, or bs-ing. But OK, sure, let's ignore all that for now and move to the next point.
Secondly, you keep bringing up Stephen Elop's "burning memo" several times in this thread as the root cause of Nokia's failure, but when i use my google-fu to go back to the world of 2011, I see that Symbian had fallen to 31% market share from 44% the previous year and Maemo/Meego had a <1% market share, so it's clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together than Symbian was in freefall and irredeemable against iOS and Android, and loosing them money, and Maemo/Meego was far too late to the party with an insignificant market share to rise up against iOS and Android, also loosing them money. So given this obvious loose-money loose-money situation Nokia was in, why wasn't the "burning memo" to stop the bleed, the right choice at the time?
People say this was the wrong solution, but nobody ever says what the right solution was. Maybe because they don't have a better solution, and burning it was the only right one. So you're probably looking at the unsalvageable past through rose tinted glasses.
actionfromafar6 hours ago
[-] I think of those two, the OS wars is the much more substantial EU/US difference. It's not like Apple is making much hardware in the US, yet they wade in pools of cash.
reply▲actionfromafar6 hours ago
[-] Can you really get 200EUR phones with that good cameras?
reply▲what good cameras? all I see is "Sony" without mentioning chip, even cheap phones like Poco X7 Pro or similar have nowadays comparable cameras as what they claim
reply▲mytailorisrich6 hours ago
[-] >
a full-stack European alternativeIt is absolutely not. More than misleading title.
People are jumping on this "EU sovereignty" thing band-wagon and milking it for all it's worth.
> It is absolutely not. More than misleading title.
Could you elaborate? Just disagreeing without explaining why doesn’t contribute to the discussion.
No, they just want to get away from Americans.
reply▲if it doesn't run GNOME Mobile or KDE it isn't an alternative
reply▲How so ? It's not like this is an Android Skin.
It's running a custom Wayland compositor and UI.
Still use all the Linux stack you expect (GCC, Wayland, SystemD, Pulseaudio, RPMs, Dbus ...)
this-is-why5 hours ago
[-] This is the third phone on the HN main page. I’m happy to see this flurry of work at real competition in the market, but I hope the companies can survive and respond to CSVEs.
reply▲Other comments have links to more details, but in short: do not support this company.
It was to be expected that a lot of corps will want to milk the term "EU sovereignty" and good willed naive people who don't look inside the packaging.
You're probably responding because of the Jolla tablet :)
To be fair, the Jolla tablet was in 2015, more than 10 years ago. Most probably, many of the people working at Jolla are not the same as then. Also, if you read carefully all the announcements and communication from Jolla, you can easily see they have learned from that crowdfunding affair. This is not the same offer, not in a long mile.
That and the russian ties, the partially closed source OS, the locked bootloader, the $50 device reset fee, the cheap underpowered chinese chipset. The company was sold more than once between investment firms. Yet it presents itself like a happy independent open source collective.
reply▲The firm with partly russian ownership went bankrupt a couple of years ago. The russian fork of the software lives on as AuroraOS in their local market but the current Jolla has no ties to russia.
reply▲> current Jolla has no ties to russia
That we know of. We live in interesting times. I wish they were more forward with how they've made it so they're protected against such interference.