Good Bad ISPs
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by rzk
10 hours ago
| 5 comments
| community.torproject.org
| HN
ouk
5 hours ago
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Infomaniak is listed in the France section but it's a swiss company.
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xattt
5 hours ago
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There is an 18-year-old record (updated in 2008!) about TekSavvy in Canada. The internet was different place back then. This info wouldn’t even relevant anymore as TekSavvy has since taken a business-centric approach in the interest of survival.

This list is fluffed up, without any checking for veracity. GIGO type of situation.

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observationist
8 hours ago
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If you have trouble accessing the site: https://archive.is/MbT8n
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JaggedJax
7 hours ago
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I would recommend the Wayback machine archive instead: https://web.archive.org/web/20260306172113/https://community...

Given that archive.is is known to DDOS and alter archives (See all the recent HN posts about them)

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observationist
6 hours ago
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I'm perfectly happy to continue using archive.is for so long as it remains functional.
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JaggedJax
5 hours ago
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The turfing with this topic is strong and needs to be called out. Reliable sources are crucial now more than ever. We cannot tolerate and promote botnets once they are uncovered.
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anonym29
6 hours ago
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archive.org outright removes large numbers of pages, including political content; archive.is has edited a handful of pages to redact the doxxing of the archive.is owners.
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observationist
1 hour ago
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The editing they do in self preservation is understandable, and far less wrong than having to kowtow to political pressure and private influence; archive.org is great, but unreliable in ways that archive.is et al are not. They're both very useful, in complementary ways.

I even think what archive.is did to their detractor was understandable - in poor taste, definitely black hat, don't do stuff like that, immature as hell, but hey, I get the human impulse that led to the bad decision, and I'm not gonna base whether I use the site or not on that.

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uyzstvqs
7 hours ago
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CableNinja
6 hours ago
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What the fuck is this url
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binaryturtle
6 hours ago
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.onion, aka a TOR internal URL. They look like this.
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vaylian
6 hours ago
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Documentation: https://support.torproject.org/about-tor/onion-services/what...

There are also many web sites that provide an onion address in addition to their clearnet address. For example, the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50150981

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halJordan
6 hours ago
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And onion urls are a sha hash of i think the private key of the site
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poly2it
6 hours ago
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It's an onion link (TOR).
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cc-d
7 hours ago
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thanks for rocking our archive site!
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kittikitti
5 hours ago
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Thank you for sharing this, I was previously unaware of this table. While I don't plan on running a Tor node on any VPS or residential ISP, an option to do so signals that they value their customers. I will cross reference this table when picking out my next VPS at the very least.
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knowaveragejoe
7 hours ago
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I see Comcast but no Verizon?
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WalterGR
6 hours ago
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How is Verizon when it comes to Tor?
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TZubiri
6 hours ago
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If you are on the other team, this is also a good list if you want to avoid bad neighbors.

Hosts that don't ban tor nodes probably don't have a great reputation.

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petcat
5 hours ago
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Not to mention, why on earth would I ever operate a TOR relay or exit node on my home internet connection? Maybe if I could guarantee that it could only be used by journalists or political dissidents, but everything else? No.

I don't need the authorities at my door every few weeks wondering why some of the most deplorable internet traffic of all time is coming from my house.

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blfr
5 hours ago
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Relay nodes don't pose much risk and help mask/blend your own Tor traffic.
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giantg2
5 hours ago
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Yeah, I've run a relay node without issues for a couple years.
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ssl-3
5 hours ago
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I agree with the concept. I should not be liable for the actions of others. If someone does something nefarious using my exit node (or the free wifi at my coffee shop) then that shouldn't be my responsibility.

After all, I have no way of knowing what they're up to. It may be good or it may be bad; I can't know. (I suppose I can set up a router to discard packets with the RFC 3514 evil bit set, as a show of good faith, but...)

So I think the risk should be low, but that's just, like, my opinion, man. My opinion doesn't mean that the risk is in fact low.

Has the risk of running an exit node ever been tested in court? Many people, myself included, simply can't afford to have that kind of experience even if we're reasonably sure that it will end up OK.

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ikmckenz
5 hours ago
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Parent comment was talking about relay nodes, not exit nodes. The risk of running a relay node is essentially zero in a free country.
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ssl-3
4 hours ago
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I appreciate the correction. It's been so long since I've looked at tor that I guess I forgot that relay nodes were a thing and conflated the two terms. Or maybe the coffee hadn't started working yet.

So with the correction, I agree completely: Running relay node (a thing that deals only with indecipherably-encrypted anonymized data) is not a meaningful risk.

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vel0city
1 hour ago
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IP addresses of relays are still known in the network, and IP reputation firms may flag your IP as potentially suspicious. This may or may not cause issues when dealing with orgs that filter based on "known bad IP address" lists. I've had it happen before, where everything was fine until a few days after running a tor relay (not an exit node, just a relay) everything suddenly wanted more verifications I was not a bot, some paid video services started blocking me, and a few other issues. Stopped running the node and later things cleared up.
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TZubiri
1 hour ago
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>"If someone does something nefarious using my exit node (or the free wifi at my coffee shop) then that shouldn't be my responsibility.

Without even getting into the intricacies and ethics of pooling and providing Spartacus communal anonimty. Wouldn't lending tools that are used for a crime being an accessory, or an accomplice, or at least aiding and abetting?

It's even a bit ridiculous, "If someone does something nefarious with my gun, that's not my responsibility" Yes? Yes it is? Maybe that line is used for something more borderline, but that's definitely your responsibility, if you are allowed to do that at all it's only because of the difficulties of legal procedures and the pressumption of innocence, but that doesn't mean that it's ok to redistribute CSAM and leaked data.

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ikmckenz
5 hours ago
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I think the hosts that Tor recommends against because there are already so many nodes hosted on them like OVH and Hetzner are perfectly happy with their (quite good) reputations.
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