Show HN: DenchClaw – Local CRM on Top of OpenClaw
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Hi everyone, I am Kumar, co-founder of Dench (https://denchclaw.com). We were part of YC S24, an agentic workflow company that previously worked with sales floors automating niche enterprise tasks such as outbound calling, legal intake, etc.

Building consumer / power-user software always gave me more joy than FDEing into an enterprise. It did not give me joy to manually add AI tools to a cloud harness for every small new thing, at least not as much as completely local software that is open source and has all the powers of OpenClaw (I can now talk to my CRM on Telegram!).

A week ago, we launched Ironclaw, an Open Source OpenClaw CRM Framework (https://x.com/garrytan/status/2023518514120937672?s=20) but people confused us with NearAI’s Ironclaw, so we changed our name to DenchClaw (https://denchclaw.com).

OpenClaw today feels like early React: the primitive is incredibly powerful, but the patterns are still forming, and everyone is piecing together their own way to actually use it. What made React explode was the emergence of frameworks like Gatsby and Next.js that turned raw capability into something opinionated, repeatable, and easy to adopt.

That is how we think about DenchClaw. We are trying to make it one of the clearest, most practical, and most complete ways to use OpenClaw in the real world.

Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfACTbc3Bh4#t=43

  npx denchclaw
I use DenchClaw daily for almost everything I do. It also works as a coding agent like Cursor - DenchClaw built DenchClaw. I am addicted now that I can ask it, “hey in the companies table only show me the ones who have more than 5 employees” and it updates it live than me having to manually add a filter.

On Dench, everything sits in a file system, the table filters, views, column toggles, calendar/gantt views, etc, so OpenClaw can directly work with it using Dench’s CRM skill.

The CRM is built on top of DuckDB, the smallest, most performant and at the same time also feature rich database we could find. Thank you DuckDB team!

It creates a new OpenClaw profile called “dench”, and opens a new OpenClaw Gateway… that means you can run all your usual openclaw commands by just prefixing every command with `openclaw --profile dench` . It will start your gateway on port 19001 range. You will be able to access the DenchClaw frontend at localhost:3100. Once you open it on Safari, just add it to your Dock to use it as a PWA.

Think of it as Cursor for your Mac (also works on Linux and Windows) which is based on OpenClaw. DenchClaw has a file tree view for you to use it as an elevated finder tool to do anything on your mac. I use it to create slides, do linkedin outreach using MY browser.

DenchClaw finds your Chrome Profile and copies it fully into its own, so you won’t have to log in into all your websites again. DenchClaw sees what you see, does what you do. It’s an everything app, that sits locally on your mac.

Just ask it “hey import my notion”, “hey import everything from my hubspot”, and it will literally go into your browser, export all objects and documents and put it in its own workspace that you can use.

We would love you all to break it, stress test its CRM capabilities, how it streams subagents for lead enrichment, hook it into your Apollo, Gmail, Notion and everything there is. Looking forward to comments/feedback!

auth402
25 days ago
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"DenchClaw finds your Chrome Profile and copies it fully into its own, so you won’t have to log in into all your websites again. DenchClaw sees what you see, does what you do."

Prompt injection as a service.

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themanmaran
25 days ago
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In terms of "[XYZ] for agents", I think CRM is a big one that people haven't talked about as much. It becomes super relevant as soon as people start using an agent for anything customer related.

And the design principals are already pretty well established (accounts, contacts, leads, opportunities, custom object model, stages, etc.). It just needs to be turned into a database boilerplate with a bunch of agent tools. Excited to try this out.

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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Thank you, I'll be here for everyone to try it out, let me know how it goes!
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llmslave
25 days ago
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Eventually there will just database tables, some skill files, and an agent
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imiric
25 days ago
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Well, of course I will test this thing you built in 2 days[1] for you!

[1]: https://xcancel.com/kumareth/status/2023534527113818625

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fidorka
25 days ago
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Love the local-first approach. The "just ask it to import my Notion" thing via browser automation is really nice.

One thing I keep coming back to though - what if the tool could actually watch how you use your CRM and then suggest automations based on what it sees you doing repeatedly?

I've been building something called MemoryLane (https://github.com/deusXmachina-dev/memorylane) that does exactly this - it captures screen activity, spots repeated workflows, and suggests automations. Works as an MCP server so you can plug it into Claude or Cursor. Instead of you having to describe what you want automated, it just watches and proposes stuff.

Have you thought about adding something like pattern detection to denchclaw? Feels like it'd fit really well with the "everything app" direction. For us the most useful engine for executing skills and automations is surprisingly cowork thus far, haha

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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Everything is skills. In a file system. That is the future.

Responding to some HN comments, I understand the focus on Sales Automation and Outreach can be worrysome.

But for me personally, this is where I do all knowledge work. For me it acts like Cursor, Happenstance, News Aggregator, Fun games creator like Pacman (it has an App Store), I can import Notion into editable MD files, create reports and presentations, etc.

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mickael-kerjean
25 days ago
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That's exactly the direction I took with Filestash (https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash) where everything is treated as a filesystem with fine-grained control to handle authorisation, plus a virtual filesystem layer to create completely new filesystems that don't 1 to 1 map to reality.
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dddw
24 days ago
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I've been meaning to use this in some project, you added a lot since last time I saw your repo!
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spiderfarmer
25 days ago
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At what point does this become an AI powered spamming machine?
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jscottmiller
25 days ago
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Become? I believe that’s the point.
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operatingthetan
25 days ago
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Cold calling is not 'spam' because it is essentially done by a human. This is no different than an email spam network. So now this will just become email / linkedin spam done by corporations? I guess we turn up the filters now?
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richwater
25 days ago
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Just because a human gets paid to sit at a computer calling random people doesn't absolve them of a spam title.
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operatingthetan
25 days ago
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I agree that it is spam of a sort, but I don't think that's how it's generally portrayed. If biz dev and sales are just spammers (because of LLM automation) then we should reclassify them and shun those types of posts.
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observationist
25 days ago
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[astronaut with gun meme] Neal Stephenson depicts this outcome in his novels as "The Miasma" and introduces a zero knowledge biometric based cryptography scheme used by everyone to validate content, and everyone has to have advanced AI filters in order to pluck out tiny tidbits of signal from among the noise.

We're going to need local AI to sift through the trash. Platforms have been more or less useless at curating content, and it's only smaller sites like HN that have retained a high SNR at this point. It doesn't even matter what media, at this point, video has passed the 2-3 second sniff test. We're seeing boomers get completely sniped by AI videos, even with watermark, showing absurd spin on current events. Text, music, podcasts, video, cartoons, whatever, it's all been infested, and the quality keeps increasing. I've seen a couple 2+ minute seedance productions that have been actually enjoyable, but by June that sort of thing will be one-shot prompting instead of someone gluing together the outputs from 4 difference SoTA AI tools.

It's getting weird, and we're not ready for it, at all.

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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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I get why it looks that way from the CRM angle, but outreach is maybe 5% of what I actually use DenchClaw for day to day.

Yesterday I asked it to pull up all my meeting notes from last week, cross-reference them with my task list, and draft follow-ups. Before that I had it reorganize a messy folder of research PDFs into a structured workspace. I use it to build slides, write code (DenchClaw literally built DenchClaw), manage my calendar, search through old Notion pages I forgot existed.

The CRM part gets attention because that's what people asked for when we talked to power users. But the actual product is just "OpenClaw with a good UI, a file system, and DuckDB, running locally on your Mac." It does whatever you'd normally do on your computer. The browser is yours, the files are yours, the data never leaves your machine.

Think of it less as a sales tool and more as what happens when your entire Mac becomes programmable through natural language. The CRM is one app that runs on top of that. People are already using it for project management, research, personal knowledge bases, all kinds of stuff we didn't plan for.

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john_strinlai
25 days ago
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>but outreach is maybe 5% of what I actually use DenchClaw for day to day.

will you be enforcing the same for the users of your product?

if not, i am not sure how this statement addresses the above concerns.

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kumareth
25 days ago
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How do you enforce this on an open source github project?
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john_strinlai
25 days ago
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you cant, which was sort of my point
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yunohn
25 days ago
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Truly tired of seeing yet-another spam machine. All of these hype machines are built to spam people about their /paid/ hype product, rinse-repeat. BS
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zer00eyz
25 days ago
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> It has a CRM focus because we asked a couple dozen hard-core OpenClaw users "what do you actually do", and it was sales automation, lead enrichment, biz dev, creating slides, linkedin outreach, email/notion/calendar stuff, and it's always painful to set up.

So basic automation and forcing the web to be "open"...

No one is talking about how AI is going to destroy business models that are dependent on dark patterns, on walled gardens, on poorly designed one size fits all implementations (so many things wedged sideways into sales force).

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cootsnuck
25 days ago
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Yea, it has been a little shocking to me that the rising narratives around "AI agents everywhere" and "enable the web for AI agents" requires what we've all been wanting for awhile on the web (openness and interoperability) but that the same big players in tech have been clearly against for a long time. Like the fact that Google recently released that Google Workspace CLI (https://github.com/googleworkspace/cli) is a perfect example.

They could've released something like that years ago (the discovery service it's built on has existed for over a decade) but creating a simple, accessible, unified CLI for general integration apparently wasn't worth it until agents became the hot thing.

I wonder when / if there will be a rug pull on all of this. Because I really don't see what the long-term incentives are for incumbent tech platforms to make it easy for automated systems to essentially pull users away from the actual platform. I guess they're focused on the short term incentives. And once they decide the party's over, promising upstarts and competition can get absorbed and it'll be business as usual. Idk, we'll see.

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DANmode
24 days ago
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FYI from your project link:

Note

This is not an officially supported Google product.

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maCDzP
25 days ago
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I really want a DeathClaw product.
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dr_kiszonka
25 days ago
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There is a Dungeon Clawer.
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mahendra0203
22 days ago
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OpenClaw feels like early React" is a great framing but I think it leads to the wrong conclusion. React didn't win because Next.js showed up. React won because the component model was right, and then people built whatever they needed on top of it.

The risk with "framework on top of framework" is you inherit both set s of opinions AND both sets of bugs.. When OpenClaw updates, does DenchClaw break? When DuchDB has a quirk, is that your bug or theirs? The dependency chain gets real deep real fast.

Copying someone's entire Chrome profile is bold. Like, really bold. That's a massive ask. "DenchClaw sees what you see" is either the most powerful pitch or the scariest pitch, depends on who you talking to.

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cpard
25 days ago
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I get the value of a personal CRM and potential power of having one locally managed by LLMs and I'd love to see such a solution, because to your point, outreach is just a small part of what you can do with a personal CRM. But, the way you describe and deliver this project is very confusing to me, it's a CRM but also Cursor for your Mac (what does that even mean?), I already run Cursor on my Mac, it also has a file tree view to use it as a better MacOS find I guess?

I think that a much cleaner messaging on what this tool is for would help.

Also a question about the implementation, why DuckDB for a CRM?

Something like SQLite feels like a much natural fit for a CRM where you primarily create, update and maybe delete records and you really care for the integrity of the data model.

From a quick look on the data model, everything seems to be a VARCHAR, if this is the case, why not just store everything in the file system instead? You do that with the md files and whatever is getting extracted from the SaaS tools.

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bhasinanant
25 days ago
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I'm definitely biased here, but the OpenClaw hype is making people disregard the economics of it all. Building Auto-CRM.com, my primary concern was building a system that runs well while not costing 200$ per month to keep up, and of course, while also maintaining security. I assume the good guys at Folk, Pipedrive, etc also had similarly priorities. A lot of good work is being done within the OpenClaw ecosystem regarding RAG and memory, but specialised orchestration process to be a more reliable system.
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ChaitanyaSai
25 days ago
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Question: Why do people want to do this with their mac mini? Can you not do all of this with a hosted VM instance? A mic mini makes it easier for people to set up? Everything still has to talk to data on the cloud right?
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catlifeonmars
25 days ago
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Short answer: cargo culting. Mac mini is part of the ritual.
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olmo23
25 days ago
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It's so they can talk to their bot using Apple iMessage. That's pretty much it.
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catlifeonmars
25 days ago
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Oh so you need an iPhone _and_ a Mac mini :)
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whalesalad
25 days ago
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Mac Mini is a gateway to iMessage. That’s really it.
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ChaitanyaSai
25 days ago
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Ah, that makes a lot of sense!

(Do not use imessage, a Whatsapp user, and we can access that through the browser, which means you can plug it into an extension)

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dmd
25 days ago
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The vast majority of americans have never used whatsapp, if they’ve even heard of it.
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zihotki
24 days ago
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You can do it serverless, github and api keys is all you need - https://github.com/stephengpope/thepopebot

The openclaw-like system built using 'free compute' from github

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Airdropaccount9
22 days ago
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I get that trying to integrate AI tools into cloud systems can feel tedious and expensive. It’s frustrating when you want quick results but hit roadblocks with setup costs. Consider simplifying your stack by focusing on essential workflows to save both time and budget.
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crowcroft
25 days ago
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Not a biggie, but might want to update the reference to 'Ironclaw' in the Try Ironclaw link at the top of dench.com
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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Oh yea
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DANmode
24 days ago
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“Thanks for the heads up!” is what I would have said…
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dandaka
25 days ago
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Can my agents (powered by NanoClaw or Claude Code) use the CRM without installing OpenClaw codebase?
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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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This is an OpenClaw framework, so it installs / relies on your existing OpenClaw codebase. I think there has been a ton of requests on Claude Code support, someone has been working on a PR for exactly this, I'll update you here if it ships.
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fnord77
25 days ago
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Are people using bottomless VC money to fund the API calls for these *Claw things?

I first tried OpenClaw with a local model, it gave poor performance. Then I tried it with Claude - great but it blew through hundreds of dollars in tokens in about an hour.

Or is everybody a billionaire now?

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waterproof
25 days ago
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Lots of folks use the Claude Max 20x $200/mo. tier, I think. Gets you waaay farther than $200 of API credits.
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olivierroy
24 days ago
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The Claude subscription is only for Claude Code. Anthropic does not want people using the subscriptions with other clients.
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fnord77
23 days ago
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No they are not. Claude Max does not give you access to APIs
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davexunit
25 days ago
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Combining OpenClaw with sensitive personal data is a recipe for disaster.
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dickiedyce
25 days ago
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... or disastrous comedy?
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wr639
24 days ago
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Interesting approach using DuckDB for the underlying CRM storage. I’m curious how well the file-system based structure scales once the dataset grows significantly.
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t0mas88
24 days ago
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CRM datasets don't really get that big. So DuckDB sounds like a great choice.
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Lalabadie
25 days ago
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Looking at that star graph: Since OpenClaw became a thing, I can't help but conclude that Github interest/popularity metrics have become useless signals.
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jesse_dot_id
25 days ago
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Especially considering this project is 2 days old and has 580 stars. 500 seems like it would be a nice round number if one were to purchase bot engagement. Not confident enough to make that claim directly, but something about this project doesn't sit right in general.
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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Bruh it's not botted, the 500 stars came from Garry Tan's viral tweet.
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jesse_dot_id
25 days ago
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Can you link to it? I'm not able to find it on his account. Unless you mean his retweet of your tweet? If so, that retweet has just under 10k views and the tweet is in celebration of hitting 500 stars on Github.
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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Sigh The HN post literally has the link... https://x.com/garrytan/status/2023518514120937672?s=20
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BoredPositron
25 days ago
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Would also be a good cover up...
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DANmode
24 days ago
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> popularity metrics have become useless signals.

That can happen!

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nickcoffee
24 days ago
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The local-first angle is interesting, especially for CRM data. Seeing this trend in observability and data engineering use cases as well.
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ancientcap
25 days ago
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the crm isnt the hard part, the hard part is that most sales teams have a workflow problem disguised as a tooling problem. local first is smart but id focus on opinionated defaults for pipeline stages because thats where 90% of founders building their own crm get stuck, they model their process wrong then blame the software.
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SLWW
25 days ago
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> created 17 minutes ago

Is this a bot lol, use words not buzzwords

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articsputnik
25 days ago
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I just use plain-text files for my CRM in Obsidian [1]. Works great if you are a solo founder only.

[1] https://www.ssp.sh/brain/managing-my-business-with-obsidian/

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zikani_03
25 days ago
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Nice, this seems interesting. I don't use Obsidian (I use Logseq) but this has given me a couple of ideas for a CRM I am building (it's currently in a Personal Relationship manager phase which I've found useful for about a year or two).

Thanks for sharing.

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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Love this setup! I also use Obsidian, but after DenchClaw I usually just open my Obsidian directory into DenchClaw so I can do anything with it. It has all the needed primitives for me like the markdown editor, graphs, etc.
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jadbox
25 days ago
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That's a simple but useful set up, thanks for sharing.
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jesse_dot_id
25 days ago
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OpenClaw opens a wide attack surface on your digital life that cannot be remediated so long as hallucinations and prompt injection remain unsolved problems. Anything built on top of it is equally insecure and probably even more insecure.

I really don't want to yuck anybody's yums or step on dev work that I had nothing to do with, because I've been there and I know it sucks, but OpenClaw is barely secure enough to even play with in a sandbox. Giving it private information about your real business and real business contacts feels like an absolutely insane thing to do.

At best OpenClaw is like a toy... if the toy was a gun and it shot real bullets. This feels like playing Russian roulette with your livelihood.

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monster_truck
25 days ago
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I cannot fucking believe people are letting it remote start their cars and control their garage door. Nevermind ovens. All things people have done and posted about.

As someone that has worked in the automotive space, an enormous amount of regulation and effort is spent making sure you cannot do something like forgetfully remote start the car with your garage door closed and gas yourself. Nevermind securing it so that others cannot do this to you.

And these people are plugging it into ... this, which will happily go "oh, the car turned off after 15 minutes, let me turn it back on!"

There are realistic odds that someone is rotting in their house while their lobster pays the bills and writes blog posts for them.

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conqrr
25 days ago
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This rings so true. Software Engineering should have stricter bar similar to med professionals. If we have leaked such lousy products and the public crowd thinks this is usable, it's a failure of the industry as a whole.
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skeeter2020
25 days ago
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>> Software Engineering should have stricter bar similar to med professionals.

This is a month-old project by someone how has been suckling at the YC teat of release as early as possible; #YOLO. There's no "engineering" here.

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lnrd
25 days ago
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I like the idea of OpenClaw a lot, it's a technology that I would want in my life. But in it's current form it's kinda chilling and I cannot see it become safe to use anytime soon.

It seems to me many infosec best practices that have been built over decades have been forgot in the last few months like nothing happened. People really do give this kind of software full system access, plus access to their emails, their private chats, most likely their passwords too and who knows what else via plugins. I couldn't really imagine this happening one year ago.

I'm 100% confident that any state actor and cybercrime groups are currently heavily focusing their research on these tools. You compromise the right person and you can access all kind of critical information, it would basically be the same as having some remote control software on their system with full permissions.

And everyone on the hype train seems to be absolutely unaware of this. Maybe I'm missing something, but all of this feels so odd to me.

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jesse_dot_id
25 days ago
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I think a lot of them are aware of it, but also grifters, and hoping to profit off of it before the bomb goes off so that they can claim ignorance and escape blame. New and powerful thing that people don't fully understand becomes fertile ground for grifters to sew their sins. Like when Marie Curie discovered radium and everyone and their mother started forcing it into products, including toothpaste and "medicine", within like 5-10 years.
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zipping1549
25 days ago
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> so long as hallucinations and prompt injection remain unsolved problems

Aren't hallucinations mathematically impossible to be _solved_? Cannot believe how so many people just willy nilly give everything they have to a lying parrot.

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strongpigeon
25 days ago
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One on hand, this is genuinely cool. On the other end, this is the final nail in cold outreach's coffin.
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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Ha, I get why it looks that way from the CRM angle, but outreach is maybe 5% of what I actually use DenchClaw for day to day.

Yesterday I asked it to pull up all my meeting notes from last week, cross-reference them with my task list, and draft follow-ups. Before that I had it reorganize a messy folder of research PDFs into a structured workspace. I use it to build slides, write code (DenchClaw literally built DenchClaw), manage my calendar, search through old Notion pages I forgot existed.

The CRM part gets attention because that's what people asked for when we talked to power users. But the actual product is just "OpenClaw with a good UI, a file system, and DuckDB, running locally on your Mac." It does whatever you'd normally do on your computer. The browser is yours, the files are yours, the data never leaves your machine.

Think of it less as a sales tool and more as what happens when your entire Mac becomes programmable through natural language. The CRM is one app that runs on top of that. People are already using it for project management, research, personal knowledge bases, all kinds of stuff we didn't plan for.

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himmi-01
25 days ago
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I think this explanation is much easier to grasp :). And simpler to introduce to people, as many of the tech people still prefer better UX.
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dncornholio
25 days ago
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It's an advertisement mate.
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paroneayea
25 days ago
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Wow, sorry, but given how incredibly insecure all the "claw" agent type things are right now, does this really sound wise at all?

It sees everything you do, really? What's it gonna do with that data? You don't know.

Put all your customer data in there, all your customer relationships. It's fine, it couldn't leak all that information, it couldn't screw up any sensitive business details I'm sure. This is gonna go great.

Sorry AFK everybody I'm gonna go get myself a VibeMBA.

Anyway, good luck, I'm really looking forward to the user stories in a few weeks! I'm sure this won't go badly at all.

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paroneayea
25 days ago
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> DenchClaw finds your Chrome Profile and copies it fully into its own, so you won’t have to log in into all your websites again. DenchClaw sees what you see, does what you do. It’s an everything app, that sits locally on your mac.

Wow that sounds great. Hey don't worry these things never blackmail anyone. Let it know if you're gonna turn it off, I bet it'll make some REAL interesting choices based on your browsing history

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lexicality
25 days ago
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I'm always confused by this kind of comment about AI accessing people's chrome history because it seems to imply that the kind of person who uses this tool is both too stupid to know what private browsing is and also is into absolutely heinous stuff.

I feel like the average person is going to be like "oh no it'd be terrible if everyone found out I really like the 'big boobs' category on pornhub"

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holsta
25 days ago
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Oh, you have nothing to hide? Kindly paste all your payment and login credentials that your browser stores. Later we'll need to see all your DMs on Facebook, LinkedIn, Slack, Discord, etc.

Finally we'll want to know about disputes you've had with intimate partners, employers and other service providers, especially powerful ones like healthcare, insurance and financial organisations.

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DamonHD
25 days ago
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We should also have full published salary and benefits (etc) details right now, whatever their contract says about disclosing those, and 24x7 streamed video of their entire life with no censoring, including toilet breaks and sex and bars and parties.

And, along with all the credentials as you suggest, including private parts of PGP keys etc, accurate impressions/clones of any and all physical security/privacy devices they use such as keys to house and car and safe and gun safe and relatives' crypt, etc, etc...

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DamonHD
25 days ago
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Privacy and security and whatever this could trample all over are not the same thing.

You may be legally entirely above board (though Cardinal Richelieu wouldn't let that get in the way) but you still might not want your S&M kink to be known or to be outed to conservative friends and family or have your bank account details spread around or have a $$$$$ bill run up in your AWS or LLM logins...

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jFriedensreich
25 days ago
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The claw cesspool boldly thinks they are smart for just making all these things and probably thinks they came up with novel ideas, when everyone who has the slightest clue what is going on is petrified. Its clear these concepts are going to happen at one point, but we don't even have an answer how to do half of this safely. The worst part is that clawcels will use these for “outreach” and “content”
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theturtletalks
25 days ago
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Seems interesting, but I see it's a fork of Openclaw that's many commits behind. Do you think you'll be able to keep DenchClaw updated with Openclaw?

I think a better solution would be to bring in one of the many Openclaw alternatives like NullClaw, ZeroClaw, etc. The magic of Openclaw is the heartbeat and cron modules so bringing in that piece should not be too difficult? I'll fork and hack away at it as well but the less dependent you are on other projects, the longer the longevity.

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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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We started a direct OpenClaw fork, but we didn't want to always push upstream updates manually. So now we are completely detached from it. The GitHub says its a fork because it was originally forked, but now we have completely separated ourselves from it.

Now instead of bundling and patching from inside it, we just ship alongside OpenClaw so you can use the latest OpenClaw CLI separately yourself.

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PUSH_AX
25 days ago
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Building anything on top of open claw seems wild to me. I checked it out due to all the hype and it was absolute dumpster fire of a project.
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fiveaaplywork
25 days ago
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Great looking website! Looks like a genuinely useful implementation
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saberience
24 days ago
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Why would you build this on top of OpenClaw? Like, an insanely bad decision.

Vibe coded slop on top of vide coded slop to spam people? What could possibly go wrong?

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pydevlogger
24 days ago
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exactly my thoughts!
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tuesdaynight
25 days ago
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Are small local models good enough for driving OpenClaw-likes or an API key from one of the big labs is needed?
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ohthehugemanate
25 days ago
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Depends on what you're using it for I suppose. A common tactic with Openclaw itself is to have a cheap or local model as the default, with rules to "escalate" to other models based on task complexity/type. But if every cron job comes with complete access to your personal machine and browser profile... Yeah, better go for the most predictable model you can find.
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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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I always recommend Claude Opus 4.6 for anything OpenClaw gets its hands on.
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tuesdaynight
25 days ago
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I was hopeful that small models would be enough for the majority of the tasks, but I understand that it's not the case yet. But thanks for answering
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vijaym2k6
24 days ago
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This is a good approach!
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vajafafa
25 days ago
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cool
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mstank
25 days ago
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Am I the only one that read this as "DeathClaw"?
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operatingthetan
25 days ago
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Sounds like a great name for a chaos-fork for Openclaw.
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_pdp_
25 days ago
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I find it amusing that one of the main things to do with OpenClaw and other similar tools is create a Web Interface on top of it so that users can click on buttons when the entire promise of the technology is that you don't have to do any of that because it transcends standard UI.

I mean, ultimately why would you even need a CRM if not to sell something? And if you are going to sell something ultimately you want to get that done without any additional layers of abstraction. So the interface is the definition of the goal and the output is measured in results.

"Hey claw, I want to sell my product. Go figure it out!"

You don't need a UI for that.

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Traubenfuchs
25 days ago
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To make this easier we could develop some kind of… query or… command language for this.

Take OPs example…

> I am addicted now that I can ask it, “hey in the companies table only show me the ones who have more than 5 employees”

Now how could that command language look like, maybe something like…

PICK * of COMPANIES if EMPLOYEE_COUNT >10;

We could call this DCCL: Dench Claw Command Language!

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_pdp_
25 days ago
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It is called SQL and the tool is called sqlite.
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mattnewton
25 days ago
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That’s the joke :)
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falloon
25 days ago
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Readme has a discord link claiming 25K online, might want to update that it's quite misleading.
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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Sorry, it happened because it was originally an OpenClaw fork.
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ftkftk
25 days ago
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In response maybe we should design TCPAclaw. It is specialized in honeypotting all of the random cold call spam, tracks down the source of unsolicited contacts; including registration state, legal contacts, and registered agent(s). It then drafts and sends a TCPA letter and waits for one of two things to happen: Either a $500-$1500 check arriving in your mailbox, or the demand deadline elapses. In case of demand deadline elapse, TCPAclaw files a small claims suit in the appropriate court of jurisdiction.

Fight fire with fire.

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jadbox
25 days ago
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That's... not a bad idea. The downside is the bot would be doing a lot of these and false-positives would be... embarrassing (like a real investor outreach).
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dickiedyce
25 days ago
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I'm in.
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bluepeter
25 days ago
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> sales automation, lead enrichment, biz dev, [...] linkedin outreach,

Sigh.

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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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It also does all or most knowledge work there is, the goal is for it to be smartly be able to do anything you ever do on your machine.
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dang
25 days ago
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I've taken that bit out of the text above. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47314105 for more.
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shafyy
25 days ago
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> It has a CRM focus because we asked a couple dozen hard-core OpenClaw users "what do you actually do", and it was sales automation, lead enrichment, biz dev, creating slides, linkedin outreach, email/notion/calendar stuff, and it's always painful to set up.

Fuck me, it's going to get worse before it gets better, isn't it?

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dang
25 days ago
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I've taken that bit out of the text above - I originally advised Kumar to put it in there (it's actually from the opening of the demo video), but in hindsight, I should have known it would backfire with the HN audience.
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ftkftk
25 days ago
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100% :-/
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olq_plo
25 days ago
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Great, thanks for making me Google what CRM means in this context. Neither your post nor your website explains the acronym.
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zachrip
25 days ago
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This is a pretty widely known acronym
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Aurornis
25 days ago
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Customer Relationship Management.

Broad term for tools used to manage interactions with existing customers and/or sales prospects.

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kumar_abhirup
25 days ago
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Sorry! It's basically a database for normies.
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