Ask HN: Remember Fidonet?
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Is it still somehow alive today? Is it archived anywhere?
rozzie
17 minutes ago
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FidoNet was a simply wonderful innovation, and it was a reflection of the creativity of its author - Tom Jennings - and his views of community and identity. https://grokipedia.com/page/tom_jennings

Tom was working on FidoNet in 1984, the same time my Iris co-founders and I had begun work on what became Lotus Notes. Architecturally, those of us who were working on collaborative systems in that era were shaped by the decentralized architecture of USEnet - inspired and motivated by the observation that a community could be brought together by something technologically as simple as uucp.

Both dial-up focused, Tom took this in the direction of a decentralized BBS, while I took it in the direction of masterless replicated nosql databases we called 'notefiles'. Identity being at the core, Tom was focused more on public community while we focused on private collaboration.

It was such an exciting time for emergent decentralization, shaped by a strong dose of 60's idealism.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21670035

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hackers_Conference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers:_Heroes_of_the_Compute...

https://www.stevenlevy.com/crypto

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andsoitis
5 minutes ago
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> Tom Jennings - and his views of community and identity. https://grokipedia.com/page/tom_jennings

Human version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Jennings

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cykros
30 minutes ago
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Last I checked it was still quite alive with quite a few BBS systems, though admittedly that was a few years ago.

Looks like you can still hook up to it using a Synchronet BBS anyway using the steps available here: https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:fidonet

The homepage for FIDONet itself is here: https://www.fidonet.org/

And the Zone 1 Hub, Dark Realms (a Renegade BBS since 1994) is here: https://www.darkrealms.ca/ It has node lists available if you're looking for systems to connect from.

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jlarcombe
1 hour ago
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FidoNet was great fun. Despite finding it difficult to remember any useful numbers in my life (credit card, NI etc) I can still remember my FidoNet addresses from when I was a youngster.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about an archive though, I'm sure I wrote a lot of childish nonsense on it! like a lot of things, perhaps best left as a happy memory...

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david_iqlabs
37 minutes ago
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I remember when a lot of online communities still felt small and human like that. People actually recognised usernames and conversations carried on over days rather than minutes.

Feels like most modern platforms traded that for scale.

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bluGill
17 minutes ago
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One thing I miss about HN type forums is the "here is what you haven't read yet". When an article has 100 comments and I've already read 75 it is rarely worth my time wading through to see the new ones. Even though I know from experience that writing a good insightful comment takes a lot of time. Most of what I'm missing will not be very insightful, but I'm sure I'm missing some of the most insightful comments. It also discourages me (and I assume others) from writing a long insightful response at times because I most of the people who would be interested will see it.
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throw0101d
19 minutes ago
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b112
22 minutes ago
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PunterNet, the C64 BBS by Steve Punter, was far more popular for a time. The C64 was the most sold computer of all time, and may still be.

It wasn't until later that clones existed and became popular, and then FidoNet dwarfed PunterNet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64

It has been listed in the Guinness World Records as the best-selling desktop computer model of all time.

I used to run a board. Was beyond fun.

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ferd
24 minutes ago
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yes! don't remember my number, Zone 4 for sure (Argentina).

Exchanging messages with people on the other side of the world felt like magic at the time (even though it took many hours/days for a msg to round-trip)

I also run "Sudaka's BBS" based on Maximus/2, with many interactive "apps" I'd developed using Maximus' proprietary C-like language. Great high-school times.

I can still hear my parents complaining about my monopolizing the phone line every night :-)

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fidotron
58 minutes ago
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Of course!

There was a time we were encouraged to be friendly with Russia, and many Russian devs were on Fidonet. This was actually how some I knew were recruited to work for western companies.

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wartywhoa23
23 minutes ago
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Greetings from a Russian, still friendly despite all the political shitshow :)

We've spent so many nights with my friend (15 yo in 1996, the peak FidoNet) connecting to BBSes over phone modem, soaking up all the Fido lore, humour and lingo, dreaming of obtaining us a .point for ourselves somehow. To that end, we visited a number of local "sysopkas" and "pointovkas" (sysop/point parties), making friends with actual point owners who gathered in a local park to booze some and have fun.

What a blessed time it was! The future seemed spotless and bright...

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zapp42
1 hour ago
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harrigan
42 minutes ago
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Episode 4 of the BBS documentary covers Fidonet and is worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng0NE4lDP2U
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qsort
42 minutes ago
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It became famous in Italy even among non-techies because it was involved in a large scale police operation in 1494 dubbed the "Fidonet crackdown".

https://www.wired.com/1994/08/hacker-crackdown-italian-style...

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3form
32 minutes ago
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>in 1494

Boy, I suspected it might have been before my time, but not that much!

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graycrow
42 minutes ago
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It was really popular in Ukraine in the late '90s, before Internet became widely available. [Former point of 2:4614/1]
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steve1977
43 minutes ago
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I also remember the MausNet. This was a German speaking counterpart so to speak. Interestingly, I remember it from my Atari days, even though it was initially a Apple network (Münster Apple User Service).
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jeffreygoesto
32 minutes ago
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Greetings from the past! Was on KA2 back then, Minnie was such a nice user experience. Will always remember the groups Pascal, Oberlehrer and Allohol =;-D

[0] https://www.mausnet.de

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brk
47 minutes ago
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I remember, and ran a node for a while. I think it is alive today in spirit through forums like this. The original needs and limitations that drove the creation of Fidonet have been dead for decades though.
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grishka
29 minutes ago
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I'm too young to have used it myself but from what I know it was huge in Russia in the 90s.
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orf
1 hour ago
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throwaway_20357
43 minutes ago
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There surely must be some BBS backup tapes somewhere that at least contain some of the boards?
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invaliduser
1 hour ago
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2:320/104 represent!
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Joe_Cool
1 hour ago
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Yes, but only what was mirrored to usenet: https://usenetarchives.com/groups.php?c=fido

But usenetarchives has had some enshittification happen.

This one still has some of the more fun files: http://textfiles.com/bbs/FIDONET/

There is also a Giganews dump on archive.org: https://archive.org/details/giganews And this one: https://archive.org/details/usenet-fido

Google stopped being useful for usenet a while ago but still has some if you can find it.

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anovikov
29 minutes ago
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2:5019/19
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bjourne
49 minutes ago
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I do remember. :) Posted the same question ten years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12216932 The archives are almost completely gone and only a small fraction is available on internet. Perhaps some still exist on old harddrives - but I wouldn't count on it. Disk space wasn't cheap back then.
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grumpysysop
1 hour ago
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Get off my lawn!
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