Bumblebee queens breathe underwater to survive drowning
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LlamaTrauma
10 minutes ago
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I'm uncomfortable with the methods used in this experiment. We don't even have a consensus on if or how insects feel pain, but we're raising them in labs for the purpose of drowning them. As far as I know freezing or crushing insects is a humane way for them to go, and I'm sure this research will be beneficial for insect conservation, but ultimately it's all in the interest of maintaining an ecosystem that humans rely on with little concern for the insects' well-being.
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timschmidt
51 seconds ago
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Friend, much of Science involves mass murder of complex life including mammals, for the express purpose of teasing apart how their individual bits work. If you live near an R1 university, there's very likely a facility nearby dedicated to the raising of lab animals. An ex worked at one that raised rodents and chickens for Michigan State University.

A scientist once confided in me that he became a scientist because as a child he really liked lizards, but as a scientist, he spends much of his time murdering lizards. :-/

Everyone involved has to confront this reality on their own, come to terms with it, and figure out the line where they're willing to meet it. All the researchers I've known have cared deeply about the welfare of the animals, despite doing terrible things to them for science. Many rationalize it by comparing to the food system, which raises and slaughters orders of magnitude more souls, and keeps people living, but does not discover or record as much new knowledge as science.

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NAR8789
28 minutes ago
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> Published in Proceedings of the Royal Society Bee
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xattt
3 hours ago
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cubefox
1 hour ago
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(I keep noticing this, more and more websites are including unnecessarily huge images on top. This one has a 24 MP (6000×4000) header. At least it's a JPEG with "just" 5.83 MB, not a PNG.)
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airstrike
8 minutes ago
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PlunderBunny
2 hours ago
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Edit: I’m wrong - ignore this please.

Bumblebees don’t sting, but they can bite, as I discovered after many years of picking them up when I saw them on the ground in a vulnerable spot.

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gnabgib
2 hours ago
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They certainly do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee_sting

> A bee sting is the wound and pain caused by the stinger of a female bee puncturing skin. Bee stings differ from insect bites, with the venom of stinging insects having considerable chemical variation. (..) Bumblebee venom appears to be chemically and antigenically related to honeybee venom.

Wasps both sting and bite (welt size is a good indicator)

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taneq
46 minutes ago
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Huh. I also have grown up thinking bumblebees don’t sting, but:

> Female bumblebees can sting repeatedly, but generally ignore humans and other animals. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee

So they can sting, they just don’t want to. Further proof, if any were needed, that bumblebees are Best Bees. :)

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lll-o-lll
47 minutes ago
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TIL that bumblebees actually can sting. Not only can they sting, they can sting repeatedly (unlike the honey bee). They just choose not to.

Genteel bees.

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