Death to Scroll Fade
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1 hour ago
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| dbushell.com
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realityfactchex
14 minutes ago
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I thought this was going to be about iOS and how now (as of iOS 26) there is a "fade out" at the top of every web page (around the notch/top-edge area).

When scrolling/reading a web page, it literally changes that section of the text so that it fades to gray.

So, "everything scroll fades".

I couldn't find a way to turn it off. Quite irritating, IMHO.

EDITED TO ELABORATE: The issue with iOS "scroll fade" text color in Safari near the top notch, is that this makes that top-edge-text "dynamic" (changing) and thus "draws attention" to it visually, thus competing for eyeball attention when I am probably actually reading somewhere further down on the page. Also, I would still like to be able to glance up to the topmost visible text if wanted, without having to adjust to its different and less visible colors. Apple designers should know all this. Further, I'd say the page text color should probably by default respect what the web page designer configured it as, and not have the OS change that ext color color (unless the user gets fancy and requests an override with dark mode or whatever settings).

This article's critique seems valid, too (more generically about "scroll fade" in interfaces, e.g. web pages, which seems to mostly be about items appearing gradually via motion). Personally, I see less of that these days, compared to making every page in an OS fade out where unnecessary.

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jerlam
7 minutes ago
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I turned on "Reduce Transparency", and instead of a fade, it turns the top and bottom sections of the screen into blank white space.

My "edge to edge screen" iPhone now resembles the last generation of iPhones with home button from 2017.

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ryandrake
43 minutes ago
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> This post purposefully ignores the reduced motion preference to give everyone the same truly terrible experience. I am sorry. Please use your browser’s reader mode.

"Reader Mode" shouldn't even be a special mode. It should just be the default browsing experience, and users who want all this styling crap should have to enable "Clown Mode" or something.

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apples_oranges
42 minutes ago
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what a good idea to have this automatically come up when the page opens, and perhaps give user a few seconds to press escape to get rid of it, if needed
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carlosjobim
37 minutes ago
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On MacOS and iOS you can set reader mode as default. You should set reader mode as default.
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sgbeal
56 minutes ago
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The poster seems to be implying that this effect is prevalent across the web, yet i'm seeing it for the very first time on that post. (And, indeed, it's annoying. My eyes can't read when there's animation going on nearby.)

The goldfish animation along the bottom is epic and i will have to mine that bit for reuse somewhere :).

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wgjordan
41 minutes ago
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Anthropic uses it across all their websites, here's a typical example where the effect is obvious as you scroll down: https://claude.com/solutions/agents

I could be wrong, but my simple guess is that it's become widespread in LLM-generated websites partly because of Anthropic's own style guides getting adopted through Claude-bundled skills and such.

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ayhanfuat
34 minutes ago
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It is partly to blame, yes. This is from Claude’s official frontend skill:

“Motion: Use animations for effects and micro-interactions. Prioritize CSS-only solutions for HTML. Use Motion library for React when available. Focus on high-impact moments: one well-orchestrated page load with staggered reveals (animation-delay) creates more delight than scattered micro-interactions. Use scroll-triggering and hover states that surprise.”

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quietbritishjim
16 minutes ago
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That's a bit different since those are separate chunks of content rather than running prose (and they're mainly meaningless marketing fluff anyway). I don't find it all that annoying compared to the original article.
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mavamaarten
28 minutes ago
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On top of that, that page took 10 seconds to load. On a Gbit network connection, lol
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apsurd
31 minutes ago
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https://webflow.com/ is what i blame for the fade-in on scroll module.

15 years ago it did look very polished, boutique, professional. Now that it's a module everyone can do, everyone literally does it for every module.

Also there's tailwind that likely has a module for all the modules in webflow.

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peab
24 minutes ago
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the effect in this example fine though, and not obnoxious like OPs? I don't get it
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RobotToaster
11 minutes ago
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Parts also seem to ignore prefers-reduced-motion.
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Waterluvian
38 minutes ago
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Are the little hand animation graphics meant to flicker like they're an epilepsy test? That was so awful I didn't have brain power left to notice the fade scroll.
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psychoslave
34 minutes ago
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You are absolutely right!
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Sohcahtoa82
43 minutes ago
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> The poster seems to be implying that this effect is prevalent across the web

Because it is.

For sites with dynamic content (social media, news, etc.), it doesn't happen.

But commercial sites trying to convince you to use their product, they're incredibly common. It's not always a fade in exactly like this site does it. Sometimes it's content sliding in from the side.

It's incredibly pervasive on SaaS marketing pages.

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sgbeal
35 minutes ago
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> It's incredibly pervasive on SaaS marketing pages.

That would explain my ignorance of it - such sites are in the bottom negligible percentage of sites which i might accidentally visit but never purposely do.

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ge96
23 seconds ago
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> The goldfish

It goes where you click in the water area

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ramon156
55 minutes ago
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I was redesigning a website of mine and Claude suggested to add this as an animation. My theory is that, if claude is confident in a suggestion, a lot of other people have done the same.

Maybe it's too subtle to notice.

Edit: on odeva.nl

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chrismorgan
50 minutes ago
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The scroll fade on that site is comparatively inoffensive (comparatively), because you messed with scrolling itself, which is one of the worst things you can do, taking over and ruining inertia. You’re literally going out of your way to make things worse. The ONLY time scrolljacking of any kind is acceptable is for things like maps where there is no “normal”.
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eru
30 minutes ago
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Or for a game, where it's part of the interface.
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chrismorgan
5 minutes ago
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Got an example of what you mean? Because if you mean the only thing I can think of, I very strongly disagree.
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jonas21
42 minutes ago
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You probably haven't noticed it before because when it's done well, it's a subtle and pleasant effect that can be used to draw your attention to particular elements on the page.

This site is intentionally doing it very poorly to make a point. Really, the takeaway should be don't do things poorly. But that's kind of obvious.

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JohnFen
34 minutes ago
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> when it's done well, it's a subtle and pleasant effect

I've seen it quite a lot, but apparently I've never seen it done well. It's a very annoying effect that chases me away from the site using it.

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Palomides
39 minutes ago
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That is an very subjective opinion, I notice and hate it every time. Sometimes I scroll immediately to the bottom of a page to trigger the fade in, then back to the top, just so I don't have to watch it.
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marssaxman
21 minutes ago
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Not doing it at all would be better still. It's really annoying.
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troupo
20 minutes ago
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Fade in in scroll will always be slower than the reading speed of a significant percentage of population.

This becomes worse for people who just skim content, re-read the text, or want to quickly scroll to a specific place in text

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jonas21
25 seconds ago
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When done right, it speeds up the loading of the above-the-fold content because loading the images on the rest of the page can be deferred until the user scrolls closer to them.
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knorker
33 minutes ago
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> when it's done well

It's always awful. This site is exagerated in degree, but in kind it's merely on the scale of awful.

Computers should not waste my time. Even if eyes are 10ms faster than the awful fade, if a million people see it, that's almost three hours of human life down the drain.

And when scrolling fast, or far, it's not uncommon to half it waste a second of human time. A million of those is 38 human working days, just flushed down the toilet, because someone wanted "pleasant".

It's fantastically disrespectful of other people's time.

The web is already slow. No need to deliberately spend effort to make it even slower.

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stefanfisk
25 minutes ago
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Agree 100%!

I’m a fast scroller and skimmer. Info scroll down and the text is not there I’ll just assume that the site is shot and close it. Ain’t nobody got 200ms to wait for a god damn fade in when there’s an infinite amount of sites out there to discover.

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Xerox9213
51 minutes ago
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RobotToaster
10 minutes ago
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Are you sure you don't have prefers-reduced-motion enabled? I just found out I already have it enabled when I went to look for how to enable it...
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DrewADesign
49 minutes ago
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I’ve seen the mostly in personal website templates used by people that would have had very sparkly MySpace profiles had they been creating for the web back then.
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llm_nerd
41 minutes ago
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It definitely isn't prevalent, and usually is for "feature" pieces (like an expose on the Washington Post back when they were a real newspaper), along with product pages.

Apple uses it for their various pages, and it is legitimately annoying-

https://www.apple.com/iphone/

Tesla is a fan as well-

https://www.tesla.com/models

Occasionally sites use lazy loaded images, and do a "fade in" effect when they're actually loaded. Nothing wrong with that particular use.

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flexagoon
6 minutes ago
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> https://www.tesla.com/models

Love how that page takes almost 10 seconds to load for the first time on a 200Mbps connection

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rc_mob
26 seconds ago
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I wish this blog stopped the scroll fading after it made ita point. would have really hammered it home.
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wincy
24 minutes ago
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Hah, the point has certainly been made. Absolute Barf-o-Rama.

I suffer from pretty severe motion sickness, which hasn’t really improved as an adult, and this page immediately made me feel like I’m going to throw up. Had to switch to reader mode after the first image. I was always the kid who couldn’t read in the car, and was always groggy on long road trips because of Dramamine (side note, Meclizine has significantly improved my life, as it has largely the same effect without drowsiness). As an adult I’m fine as long as I’m in the front seat, public transit is terrible for me. Elevators are tiny torture chambers, especially when stopping on multiple floors. And it’s cumulative, the sensation becomes worse the more I’m exposed to it over the course of a day (I have a mental “theme park budget” in my head of how many rides I can comfortably do!). VR can’t have any motion that isn’t firmly anchored to a sense of place (space ship/driving sims are okay though!)

I’m glad awareness is being raised about this, but I’m curious what websites are using this now? Is it just personal blogs and the like right now? I definitely would have noticed this cropping up on websites I frequent.

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freedomben
4 minutes ago
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> As an adult I’m fine as long as I’m in the front seat, public transit is terrible for me.

Me too! The worst part about this is anytime there's more than two adults in the vehicle, the "front seat" has all sorts of social expectations and courtesies. I once mentioned that I get motion sick when not in the front seat, and I could tell that nobody believed me and thought it was an uncool way to try and guilt people into letting me monopolize the favored chair. After that I don't bother, but od try to avoid shared cars because in those I'll be quietly sitting in a torture chamber while others around me don't understand.

Also, good God those drivers whould constantly gas-brake-gas-gas-brake-gas-brake-brake-gas. I get it when all the sudden traffic rapidly and unexpectedly slows down, but so many people seem to always be pressing at least one pedal, never coasting. It's torture

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snozolli
17 minutes ago
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I suffer from pretty severe motion sickness

I don't, and yet I am also feeling nauseated after reading that page! What a truly awful experience.

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confounder
5 minutes ago
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Amen. So cathartic to see someone publish the post I've been wanting to write for a while, and with a much better title.

Also: I've noticed a new abuse recently of sites implementing scroll momentum on desktop — has anyone else seen this? I couldn't believe it, but there it was.

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yards
44 minutes ago
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I raise you one. Death to the parallax scroll. In fact, death to all scroll animations.
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pier25
29 minutes ago
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Absolutely.

I'm not against animations in UI design but these should be used purposefully to direct the user's attention on something or for minimal aesthetic effect. When everything is moving it's just like adding a ton of ketchup to everything.

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ryandrake
32 minutes ago
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Scrolling should just move a fixed size view up and down a fixed sized page. Why on earth must everyone complicate it so much?
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marssaxman
20 minutes ago
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I don't understand why browsers ever let designers fuck up the scrolling mechanism in the first place. Why is that even possible?
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ryandrake
9 minutes ago
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Browsers have handed way too much control to web developers. "The web as a software SDK" was a terrible idea.
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marcosdumay
26 minutes ago
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Gotta love the attention to detail at the end, that is illegible when selected too.

It's not realistic, though. Illegible sites never get that detail right.

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levmiseri
27 minutes ago
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I'm guilty of this as well. https://kraa.io/about has some fade-in animation for the intro text – driven by wanting the initial impression to be focused/minimal and 'unravel' as you go. I take it that most HN folks would vastly prefer to NOT have this?
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wincy
18 minutes ago
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I’ll say as someone who suffers from severe motion sickness and the OP site makes me feel deeply uncomfortable, that your site does the fade in fast enough that it doesn’t give me any discomfort. Seems fine to me. Maybe I should consider being a consultant for vestibular motion sickness accessibility, haha. I’d get paid to answer “on a scale of 1-10, how pukey does this app make you feel?”
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ayhanfuat
20 minutes ago
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Have you tested this on mobile? By the time the text became visible I had already scrolled past it. So in order to read it I would need to scroll back up.

In general I like it when it is done on images. When done slowly on text it really bothers me.

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sublinear
21 minutes ago
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I think it looks fine except it's missing a more obvious hint that there's more to see when I scroll. The one that's there is just textual and very delayed.
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netrap
5 minutes ago
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Death to Scroll Bar size change!!!
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msarnoff
9 minutes ago
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Originally read the URL as “D-Bus Hell dot com” and was like… yup.
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xnx
22 minutes ago
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It's amazing how web graphic designers don't realize 99% of all added motion/animation is just as annoying and unnecessary as <blink> and <marquee>.
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ToucanLoucan
19 minutes ago
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Oh they know, but it's requested because clients want a fancy website, and just having fucking text on the fucking screen explaining what you fucking sell is boooooring.

And also completely functional and accessible but where's the fun in that?

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hyperhello
1 hour ago
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It’s kind of like when someone wants you to read something, so they hold the thing to read for you and read it out loud, while moving their finger at the words they’re currently reading. I know how to read!!!
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cogman10
29 minutes ago
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Really, almost any animation or hijacking of scrolling should be abolished. It's one of the most disgusting things to encounter on a webpage.

I don't want your product to spin while I scroll down. I don't want animations or boxes to start appearing or disappearing. I don't want helpful tooltips, popups, or "I hope you enjoyed this" notifications to appear as I scroll.

What I want when I scroll is for the page to move, either up or down, in a completely consistent manner. I want to be able to reasonably predict what I'll see as I go up or down.

Apple loves this shit. Fortunately they aren't AS BAD as they once were, but you'll still encounter it on their product pages.

https://www.apple.com/macbook-neo/

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jevndev
26 minutes ago
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My least favorite by far is the “multi section” webpage design. Where the page is split into multiple whole-screen sections and scrolling the mouse wheel alternates between either moving between sections or playing the animations of that section. Yes please make my scroll wheel only sometimes actually scroll the page and other times rotate a graphic for way too long thanks
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alprado50
23 minutes ago
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Agree. I understand why people like those animations and sometimes even i want to implement these in my website with GSAP, but then i remember that these animations make my content harder to read.
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charcircuit
14 minutes ago
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This website has a slow and laggy implementation which unfairly shows off the effect.
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nicman23
55 minutes ago
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do not the scroll

i will umatrix you

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sublinear
30 minutes ago
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There are no bad animations, only bad designs.

If you design the animation to be way over the top like this, and then design the page to use it on every line then of course it looks like shit.

This is like arguing against any amount of sugar in food and then shoveling it into someone's mouth to try to prove your point. It's disingenuous and you aren't proving anything. I don't even think the top agreeing comments here are coming from web devs or the target users.

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sociopathai
34 minutes ago
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interesting
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