> The only way to meaningfully defeat surveillance technology is to make a constitutional amendment that limits its use privately and publicly

So, contextually, a constitutional amendment to force private and public use of Juggalo Makeup?

It’s extreme, but bold change requires bold steps.

People find their ring cameras too useful, businesses love cloud based security camera systems, facial recognition and cloud backup are expected features of every phone's photo app, courts consider recording integral to first amendment expression.

These are some big rocks you'll need to move, otherwise your amendment won't be worth the paper it's written on. Just saying "you can collect all the data, but don't use it for surveillance" doesn't mean much.

I have no solutions, feels like we missed the boat if there ever was an opportunity to prevent it in the first place. We live in public now.

I don’t think it will happen for at least a couple of reasons. The “deep state” in the US and elsewhere will not allow it and would find workarounds ala five eyes. And two, the right wants to spy on the left and the left wants to spy on the right. Only a small sliver of libertarians are strongly against spying “the domestic baddies.” So there is no chance.

As long as it is accessible and useful, it will be used. Organized crime is around despite it being illegal. Considering how lucrative tracking people is, people will do it illegally. Even corporations as long as penalties aren't significant enough. We really need a three strikes law for corporations. Three egregious intentional violations and corp, is dissolved all assets going to support the needy.

Thanks for that! Vaughan is great. It's funny that it's a digital release considering the topic. That small sense of unease I feel each time I feed my personal and credit card data into yet another website should only enhance the experience.

Ever since Covid, people are obscuring their faces in public more often. I especially see gig workers wearing balaclavas. Partially for sun and wind protection, but potentially for anonymity

I would also add the Netflix movie "Anon" which came out in 2018:

In the near future, humanity lives in a technologically advanced, dystopian society. The government requires that everyone receive an ocular implant that records everything they see. The implant provides an augmented-reality head-up display to the user with information about anyone and anything they may see, as well as recording the user's view. Investigations into crimes amount to detectives reviewing video and assessing whether an alleged perpetrator is innocent or guilty.

Sal Friedland, a detective with the metropolitan police force, crosses paths with a young woman who appears to trigger a glitch in his ocular implant, as no data about her is retrieved. When he reviews his own record of that day, he finds that every single frame of her has been mysteriously deleted. At work, Sal is handed several homicide cases where the victims' own visual records of their deaths are replaced with the killer's point of view, thus hiding the killer's identity. At another murder scene, Sal chases the apparent killer only to nearly be killed when they hack his implant and change what he sees in real time.

You got any other comics to recommend in this style/genre? Cyberpunk, dystopia, etc

> refuses to get a driving license because he wouldn't want a photo of himself in a database.

I refuse to get a "RealID" for nearly the same reasons.

The Millennials are getting nostalgic

On a side note, sleep is indistinguishable from time travel.

The early 2000s are back baby

Depends. Are you attending an ICP concert, or a military reenactment convention, or something else entirely?

You would want to test the camo. I suspect there is more than just changing ones appearance. I believe I've seen a story talking about not needing to see the entire face. You can still id people wearing neck gaiters and other face coverings if you can make out the facial contour. I think you needed about a third of the face uncovered. https://hyperverge.co/blog/masked-face-recognition/

Edit found a link pretty fast.

They'll just charge an additional makeup fee...

Gait recognition is also easier to defeat. All you need is to put something like a few pebbles or coins in one of your shoes

I think dazzle camouflage is best understood as having limited scope of application as pertains to face recognition. It shouldn't be regarded as failing within its intended scope on account of gait analysis. Everyone knows you have to learn the juggalo dance moves to go along with the face paint.

How are everyone's gaits being collected? Is there gait databases at the NSA? Not being skeptical! Honestly very interesting.

As with most things cyberpunk, Gibson also did this masterfully w/ the Panther Moderns, specifically Lupus Yonderboy. One of my favorite parts of Neuromancer is when Lupus has his interaction with Armitage and says (from the link below) "Lupus didn't bother to count it, being sure that 'Mr. Who' paid well to remain so, and not be a 'Mr. Name', which Armitage received as a threat."

Gibson (and later Stephenson) were prescient enough to realize that anonymity would be a commodity in the near future.

https://williamgibson.fandom.com/wiki/Lupus_Yonderboy

Really excited to see what Apple does with these guys in the upcoming adaptation.

It would work until algorithms were adjusted to it, which would happen as soon as significant number of people started doing it. Colors are defeated by desaturating, which is no issue since most face recognition algos run on greyscale data anyways. Blotches of bright and dark are defeated, for example, by a high-pass filter (eg: edge detection) on the brightness data to filter out large blotches but keep small detail

Here's the thing about "fucking magnets; how do they work?" How do magnets work? No less a science communicator than Richard Feynman—he of the rubber sheet gravity spacetime analogy—had no analogy to communicate why ferromagnetism creates attraction and repulsion. Here's his incredibly shaggy dog non-answer to the question about how magnets work wherein he says that there are no pat answers to "why" questions. He gets to the money line: "I cannot explain that attraction in terms of anything else that's familiar to you" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

So I will defend that line in the song. I will only accept answers from people who can explain why ferromagnetism works to me assuming I know how electromagnets create magnetic fields.

You could throw on the SNL skit or the real video and frankly I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference

> a sufficiently large crowd of juggalos

Some kind of gathering of the Juggalos?

This feels like the real-life equivalent of that old Family Guy joke where Peter is with a squad of dudes in Vietnam but is dressed like a clown. He says something to the effect of "You guys are stupid. They're going to be looking for army guys." Outside of the absurdity of the situation, the joke is that the guy dressed as a clown obviously stands out even more.

Juggalo makeup might block some facial recognition tech, but you also paint a huge target on yourself.

>covering features impacts accuracy of feature-based classifiers

More new at 9. Plus it's from 2019.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, sitting behind the resolute desk. That person wears more makeup than some of the performers on RuPaul's Drag Race.

It's not actually an oversight or training failure; as one of the six societies which secretly rule the world, the Juggalos simply demand to be exempt from facial recognition.

I'm wondering how well the Zenni optical ID guard coatings actually work.

It's likely that e.g. wifi-based gait analysis can be deployed to defeat this.

The only saving grace is you can't run that against video surveillance footage.

Faygo is unironically delicious. They used to sell them for $1 a pop (Midwestern pun intended) on the East Coast in gas stations. Diet varieties of Orange, Moon Mist, and Root Beer were personal favorites.

No idea whether this is still the case as I haven't been in a Sheetz in years.