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dostick

5 minutes ago

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Since Tor has become increasingly susceptible to state monitoring of exit nodes, making app rely on Tor is potentially compromising your future users. Look into i2p or other protocol that’s really anonymous.

kvisner

1 hour ago

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So most messaging apps rely on a phone number or centralized server to provide a means of making atleast the initial connection. In a purely P2P messaging system, how do I, as a user, find the other person I might want to talk to?

46 minutes ago

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Third party info exchange. I don't see that as an issue though. For example, for discord, you also 100% exchanged usernames via a third party system. I mean, even phone numbers are exchanged via third parties. Now that I think about it, the only place where you can search people somewhat reliably are social media sites

1 hour ago

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I'm a fan of "face to face mutual qr code key exchange." I should implement that someday.

44 minutes ago

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QR code key exchange is convenient, but I did not plan phone support.

11 minutes ago

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Nobody does "face to face" key exchange like I imagine. Just two phones facing each other spamming QR codes for the other to read.

What I REALLY want is an app that builds a big bank of nonces between you and your peers over short range radio or QR codes and then lets you use a 1-time pad.

Ultimately, I'm only offering criticism because I have spent a lot of time working on exactly this problem, but I am not in a position to actually implement it. This is awesome and you should be proud of it.

kopitev174

7 hours ago

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I worked on a p2p group chat app for a short time (no central server, same as this), but the group updates were a real problem. how do they get distributed?

6 hours ago

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The group creator distributes the updates to each group member individually (each pair of users has their own buckets). Of course, if the member is not online for a long time, the update does not just get lost, it gets republished and will continue to republish until the member has read the update. Did I answer your question?

2 hours ago

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I don't recommend DHTs with public participants being made from scratch. Use mainline bittorrent DHT instead. Small networks are really easy to eclipse and censor.

DHTs of trusted participants are great.

noman-land

1 hour ago

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How does one find large DHTs? Is there anything connecting them all?

1 hour ago

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Good question. The 4 initial bootstrap nodes that I provided (in the README) are all connected to each other. If everyone connects to all of them, we are all basically on the same network instead of on "isolated islands"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainline_DHT

1 hour ago

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"Mainline DHT" is the primary one. It backs magnet links and has resisted censorship for over a decade. Largest most robust group of cooperating computers there is.

You can reliably use it to store arbitrary key-value pairs up to 1kb in in size.

50 minutes ago

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In theory, if only Kiyeovo nodes were handling Kiyeovo records, then yes, they could kind of behave like their own subnetwork. The problem is that in a public DHT, the nodes responsible for storing keys are those closes to that key, we cannot guarantee it would be a Kiyeovo node. So even if Kiyeovo clients all use the same validation rules locally, the actual nodes that get hit with the queries do not. The chances of the network converging to the same, correct answer are much slimmer this way

17 minutes ago

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So DHT robustness against censorship is superlinear of the number of participants.

The "break point" is when a DHT gets big enough I can't realistically MITM all the links with nodes "closer to the target" than existing ones.

This means big networks are great, small ones are cheap to just break. Its hard to skip the messy bootstrapping phase.

I'd encourage protocols to only rely on DHTs for small key-value stores if there isn't a trust mechanism in place to validate new peers.

Otherwise, all I have to do is mine for O(n^2) dht keys that cover the network. Figure out what your key mining difficulty is and you can identify what the cost would be.