Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts
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mbgerring
26 minutes ago
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I’m old enough to remember that Sam Altman’s claim to fame before OpenAI, before running YC, was running a failed also-ran location-based whatever Web 2.0 scam startup thing that accomplished nothing and that no one remembers. His entire “career” is based on persuading people with money to give him more of it.

The incentive structures are such that everyone sucks up to people in a position to give you a lot of money, so all these people with no real skills, talent or track record get regarded as “geniuses”, but like, even when you understand why this happens, it doesn’t make it any less rage-inducing.

What would have to change in this society for people who actually do shit to have a higher profile than people who just have a lot of money?

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tkel
9 minutes ago
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Reminds me of Elon Musk. Grifting off of techno-futuro-optimism. Hyperloop, Boring tunnel, going to mars, self-driving cars, etc. Perhaps it's common to CEOs, lying/manipulating to people to create hype in order to convince them to give you money.
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giancarlostoro
1 minute ago
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Sure, but Elon Musk had known engineering roles at various companies, and built a space company nobody, not even himself thought would succeed, into the most viable and affordable way to get things into space.

Idk if I had to be stranded on an island with either Elon or Sam, I think I'd rather be stuck with Elon.

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zulux
8 minutes ago
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The hard part for some of us: Can we learn anything from this to help our own careers?
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glerk
39 minutes ago
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> I think there's a small but real chance he's eventually remembered as a Bernie Madoff

What's with all the hit pieces on Sam Altman lately? He's a CEO, his job is to grow the business, not to code. That part is handled by the engineers that he hired. How many CEOs out there are also great programmers? Sure, I would prefer Sam Altman to have more technical depth given the business he is leading, but lack of technical depth doesn't make him a Bernie Madoff.

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cal_dent
16 minutes ago
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exactly. frankly its just a bunch of pissy holier than thou engineer thing. He seems to be pretty good at raising capital and selling dreams which his predominantly what Openai seemingly wants to be right now.

New Yorker article less so because its just a standard ceo profile piece that digs out pretty pertinent things for a ceo role

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pram
1 hour ago
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I am amused at how pissy he can get in interviews. Who thought it was a great idea to have this guy doing PR?
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squirrellous
3 minutes ago
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This is probably the least important bad thing you could say about Altman.

Also why is a low effort commentary piece of the NYT article on the HN front page?

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xvxvx
2 hours ago
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"I think there's a small but real chance he's eventually remembered as a Bernie Madoff- or Sam Bankman-Fried-level scammer."

It's not a small chance, it's close to 100%. If your bullshit detector is not going off, you have a serious problem.

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avree
1 hour ago
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I think it's a very small chance. Look at how many absolutely technically useless CEOs, such as Elon Musk, are still perceived by many in the industry and outside of it. The WeWork guy got funding for a new startup immediately post collapse. It takes a lot to reach SBF/Madoff levels.
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Grimblewald
1 hour ago
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Sbf built a pyramid scheme that collapsed. Sam altman has built a pyramid scheme that will soon collapse. The collapse is the point. This way insurance companies, advertisers, etc can buy the company and its assets, the customer data, that gives them a level of access to people laws and anti-trusts would otherwise prevent.

the entire thing is built to collapse.

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BoredPositron
1 hour ago
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I bet he is a menace but so are probably 90% of c-suite tech execs. Like with Elon and Zuck it's the insecurities which make it at least funny to watch from the sidelines.
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d2dfsd
1 hour ago
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Im going to get into trouble for saying this but many of these CEOs seem to be a mix of vertically challenged, challenged in terms of looks/social aura/charasima and so on. Perhaps these are necessary characteristics to have drive.. the problem is they end up taking out that energy on the rest of society. E.g. Zuck with "dumb fucks" and we've already seen Musk unmasked.

You never saw this kind of stuff with Steve Jobs who admittedly wasnt perfect - but he wasn't challenged physically / social standing. Perhaps that's why he wasn't a weirdo like the rest of them.

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hgoel
1 hour ago
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I feel like this is largely just what Musk/Zuck/Jeff's generation of rich fucks is like. Kind of like how the ones before them (Gates, Jobs etc) were more hated for being dirty/ruthless businessmen, but weren't known for being so openly and pathetically insecure.

On the other hand, I'm probably just finding a generational distinction where there is none.

Edit: And anyway, SBF, Altman etc are not the same generation as Musk etc IIRC

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zulux
8 minutes ago
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Gates is weapons-grade awkward and just plain weird. 56K internet was slow to notice. But the poor schmuck had to hire Russians to boink him, and he got a VD from it per the Epsein files.
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skybrian
1 hour ago
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Didn’t Jobs have nutty beliefs about food and healthcare?
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ergocoder
20 minutes ago
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People like to gatekeep coding as if it was some sort of mythical skills that only extremely smart people could do.

Tons of people can code. Coding is not some sort of mythical skill. Millions of people can code.

For some reason, this narrative is almost always applying on people who are politically incompatible with the left like Elon and Sam.

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boshalfoshal
12 minutes ago
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Apart from your last paragraph which is a little contentious, I agree with what you say.

I dont understand why people here require that every tech ceo to be some professional programmer or engineer. I don't think you _need_ to be that deep in it as the CEO. There are plenty of leaders at OpenAI that already fit the bill.

Sam is good at getting funding, seeing the bigger picture, and rallying towards a cause. That is the job of a CEO. It doesn't matter (imo) that he doesn't know how many parameters the next release will have. All that matters is he knows the impact of the new release and knows who to defer to for actual technical decisions.

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