France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk
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selfsigned
1 hour ago
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Really proud as a French, I think the government has had some success with moving to something matrix based for the public sector too. https://tchap.numerique.gouv.fr

I just hope we end up having more wins at the EU-level, instead of massive fails like GAIA-X...

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dbdr
52 seconds ago
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Also GendBuntu, a custom version of Ubuntu used by 100 000 stations (almost all) of the national gendarmerie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu

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Toine
17 minutes ago
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"As a French" ne veut rien dire en anglais. Il faut rajouter man, person ou quelquechose. Frenchman, French person, French citizen.
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Mindless2112
3 minutes ago
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The demonym for France is "French," so it's not wrong.
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e-dant
32 minutes ago
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Microsoft is a strategic risk for the US, too
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trinsic2
26 minutes ago
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Exactly. I have been thinking about using this migration articles as a way to convince my customers to switch.
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BLKNSLVR
4 hours ago
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clickety_clack
11 minutes ago
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Even the US government should be considering this.
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gsky
1 hour ago
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Finally Europe grew a spine
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breppp
22 minutes ago
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Less so against China or Iran, presumably Europe will find itself on the "right side of history" yet again soon enough
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bpavuk
1 hour ago
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still growing, you mean. France is, however significant, just one country. and then there is broader push to FOSS inside Europe, as well as Europe's own sovereign solutions. some attempts were failed, some were successful, but everything is still in progress

EDIT: on a second read, this sounded too diminishing of this achievement than I intended. the point is that it's not fully done yet, although it is remarkable that there is, finally, a political will for such actions

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sdoering
22 minutes ago
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Sadly back in the day the city of Munich caved in (hosting Germany's MS headquarter). They had a good good run with their Linux. But the state of Schleswig-Holstein is pushing for more open source and switching to Libre Office (80% or so done). They talk about that on their Open Source Initiative page [1].

[1]: https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/themen/... (German only)

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peter-m80
47 minutes ago
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should be done at EU level and make it mandatory for all members
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harvey9
30 minutes ago
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France has been doing this in parts of its government functions for years, building expertise and learning what works. What do you imagine the EU institutions would bring to the table?
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roysting
25 minutes ago
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The EU is not even a legitimate government in that it’s quite literally a con job (just shows up, moves in and declares “I’m your government now” and the people are like “yes, daddy!”. It’s weird, Europeans, it’s weird), but now you want to just have this fake government that is literally controlled by an unelected commission, unilaterally impose operating systems on all formerly sovereign nations too?

People like you amaze me, it’s the cattle advocating for the slaughter house because it has fancy neon lights and lasers.

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EinigeKreise
2 minutes ago
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You forgot the part where the countries voluntarily join the organisation. By the way, the commission is subject to a vote of confidence by the parliament, which is directly elected. I'm pretty sure you don't get to directly vote for your cabinet members either, wherever you are.
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drstewart
1 hour ago
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Is this the daily thread on this topic?

Astroturfing around this is getting suspicious.

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bombcar
16 minutes ago
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I remember similar articles being posted 20+ years ago on Slashdot. And as we’ve seen, it’s often less of a “use Linux” and more of a “we have an alternate vendor” and there’s often suspicious lock-in (see the case in the EU or some similar country where the vendor was reading emails).
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e2le
54 minutes ago
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> Astroturfing around this is getting suspicious.

It's perfectly possible for people to be passionate about the subject.

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drstewart
53 minutes ago
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I've never met a real human that was passionate about what OS a government worker in some local French commune uses, but it's the hottest topic on HN behind AI
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Mashimo
58 minutes ago
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> Astroturfing around this is getting suspicious.

Nah, linux and "$curreant_year is the year of the linux desktop" is just something the hacker / maker / nerd scene is passionate about.

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casey2
2 hours ago
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But Linux is US tech? Isn't the main guy American?
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jll29
2 hours ago
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Linus Torvalds created Linux as a student in Helsinki, Finnland. He later took U.S. citizenship and lives in Portland, Oregon, TTBOMK.

Now on some level, the question makes less sense, because Linux as we know it now is an international proejct that thousands of developers from dozens of countries collaborated on. But perhaps most would agree that Torvalds, who serves as main integrator, has more say than others regarding the directions of Linux, as long as he is alive.

The open source property of Linux is more important to the question which OS a country's government should adopt: corporate systems are hard to scrutinize, whereas open source systems you can inspect and compile yourself, and it is a wise move of the French government to go in that direction. It will also save a lot of money, but that should not be the primary motive.

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mirpa
1 hour ago
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It is open source. Many companies which contribute to it are American, but nobody from America can tell you what you can or cannot do with it - unlike Microsoft or Apple with their proprietary OS being forced by US government.
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rzerowan
1 hour ago
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Funnily enough there is some level of control that can be exerted by the US gov via the distros (at least the major ones - see legalese restrictions on Redhat/Ubuntu etc when you want to download , stating the various US gov laws/sanctions that they follow) and also via the kernel - i think some time back Russian kernel maintainers were removed.

So Open source it may be , however there are still pressure points that can be used. I believe this is one of the main reasons RISCV foundation moved to Europe.

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roblabla
1 hour ago
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Europe has a major distro in the form of SUSE, so that’s not too worrying.

Even if upstream linux banned european contributors, there are enough european contributors that a fork would just emerge. So I’m really not too worried about that happening.

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hdgvhicv
1 hour ago
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The “main guy” is Finnish. He also got American citizenship recently, but given the US has increased attacks on naturalised citizens [0] and has a history of this [1] it’s not a solid foundation.

[0] https://www.npr.org/2026/01/16/nx-s1-5677685/as-focus-shifts...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...

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drstewart
55 minutes ago
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If Japanese internment worried you, you should see Europe's treatment of perceived outsiders [0] and get reallyyyy worried about the ongoing attacks [1] and rhetoric [2]. I would urge extreme caution to anyone in Europe that is at risk.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Jews_from_Spain

[1] https://www.ein.org.uk/news/home-office-remove-euss-pre-sett...

[2] https://www.ft.com/content/0e29224f-9d06-4315-a89f-e334ffbc6...

Also, what nationality do you say Elon Musk is, out of curiosity? Let's test your consistency :)

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ajross
49 minutes ago
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Didn't have "Europe is antisemitic because of the Spanish Inquisition" on my bingo card today. No one expects it, indeed.
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bootsmann
36 minutes ago
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The other two are ok-ish (though notably Reform is not in government and the elections are 4 years away) but yeah leading with a source from the 15th century really doesn’t support the argument.
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drstewart
48 minutes ago
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I have more evidence of European xenophobia if that isn't sufficient for you
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kakacik
35 minutes ago
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I dont think you travel much, it would help you get more... objective opinions. But yes please show us that mighty evidence
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948382828528
48 minutes ago
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How will we cope when all of your precious knife-wielding savages are deported?

Oh, the terror.

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bogeholm
2 hours ago
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Just Wiki Linus Torvalds my friend:

> Torvalds was born in Helsinki, Finland

> In 2004, Torvalds moved with his family from Silicon Valley to Portland, Oregon.

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redat00
2 hours ago
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?
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boomskats
2 hours ago
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No, and no?

...what?

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GardenLetter27
2 hours ago
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Yeah, he became American, just like Einstein, Fermi, Von Neumann, etc.

There's a big lesson for Europe there, everyone super productive and able to move to the US does so at the first opportunity.

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skillina
1 hour ago
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You might want to do a bit more reading on why European intellectuals migrated en masse to the US in the 1930s.
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pseudony
1 hour ago
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Definitely. And then one could start wondering if the direction might reverse.
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bogeholm
2 hours ago
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Yeah, um…

That might have changed somewhat, recently.

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drivingmenuts
1 hour ago
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When the US is being run by relatively sane people, it's great.

That is not the situation at the moment.

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ArtTimeInvestor
2 hours ago
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It is a step into the right direction.

Over time, more and more work is going to be done by AI though. At some point, it will be unthinkably slow and expensive to let humans work on anything.

To do *that* locally, you need GPUs and LLMs.

How will Europe solve these two?

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tonyedgecombe
5 minutes ago
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[delayed]
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Joeri
2 hours ago
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The EU chips act is subsidizing new fab construction in Europe.

Meanwhile the french Mistral is partnering with Nvidia to build an AI data center near Paris on which their LLMs will run.

But I agree this is not enough to make the EU a contender in the race with the US and China. The EU still has not seriously considered decoupling from American big tech.

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m_mueller
2 hours ago
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I think it depends on how strong the compression advancements are going to be, such that much can be done locally in the future. I'd be interested in experiences of others here in using Gemma4, which is at the forefront of "intelligence per gigabyte" atm. (according to benches).
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ErroneousBosh
2 hours ago
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No-one needs LLMs.

AI has no value.

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corndoge
2 hours ago
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At this point in the broader dialogue your position is roughly as interesting as flat earth. Only bored people are going to bother replying and no one is taking you seriously. Don't do yourself a disservice by clinging to this.
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ErroneousBosh
1 hour ago
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Okay, give me one example of what AI might be useful for.
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Mashimo
51 minutes ago
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As a learning tool to quiz you.
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7bit
2 hours ago
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The chariot was superior! Who needs them darn cars
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nickserv
1 hour ago
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My grandpa was doing just fine before those newfangled chariots became all the rage. What's wrong with walking?
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tosti
1 hour ago
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I, for one, have never needed AI for anything ever in my life.

AI has, however, made my life noticably worse. Especially when dealing with braindead robot driven customer "support". But also in making it financially impossible to buy more RAM or upgrade a GPU.

I think we'd be better off without yet another bubble.

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Nasrudith
24 minutes ago
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Were you born yesterday? Phone AIs being dumb didn't take LLMs at all. They were always stupid and frustrating to deal with substitutes for customer support.
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