Let's Talk Space Toilets
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by zdw
21 hours ago
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| mceglowski.substack.com
| HN
assimpleaspossi
19 minutes ago
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I've always wondered about regular toilets and now this. Someone has to test it. I'm sure they have equivalent items to run through them but, eventually, you have to try the real thing so whose job is it to do that and how do they do that?
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bdamm
43 minutes ago
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The roasting process is both hypermodern and curiously antique. Burning dung is a tradition passed down across the millenia!
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detourdog
2 hours ago
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I was surprised there were no pictures of the actual toilets. Would love more but found this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_toilet

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jotux
2 hours ago
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cubefox
55 minutes ago
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This goes into a bit more mechanical detail than the Substack post (which only gestures at "air suction"). I'm still not sure whether there are different urine hose adapters for men and women or not.
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idlewords
48 minutes ago
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The hose is the same but there are different funnel attachments (the part looks kind of like the cup from a jock strap, and is longer and narrower for women)
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ooterness
1 hour ago
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Is it simpler to build a better space toilet, or to build a ship with centrifugal gravity and use a regular toilet?
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yshamrei
1 hour ago
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There are two issues:

- To build a centrifuge in space of sufficient size, you need to solve the problem of delivering a large amount of materials to orbit, because it has to be hundreds of meters in diameter at least.

- Such a centrifuge will create a gyroscopic effect, and the station will quickly become very difficult to control.

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ethan_smith
42 minutes ago
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The centrifugal gravity approach requires a massive structure - you need something like 200+ meter radius to keep rotation rates low enough that Coriolis effects don't make people nauseous (which would create a whole different toilet problem). Building a better space toilet is orders of magnitude cheaper and lighter than spinning up a habitat.
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chinabot
20 minutes ago
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If people are going to live in space for any period of time then they are going to need gravity so long term, yes.
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giantrobot
54 minutes ago
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Even with centrifugal "gravity" the toilets need to be designed for the worst case scenario (no "gravity"). Even if you could use a "regular" toilet the system needs to sequester and process the septic waste. That precludes even using the likes of an airplane toilet.

It's a significant amount of engineering effort, testing, feedback, and iteration to build effective life support systems for manned spaceflight. Long duration spaceflight is orders of magnitude more difficult.

Toilets are systems that can incapacitate or even kill the crew if they malfunction. In a low or microgravity environment aerosolized septic material can get in astronauts' eyes or lungs. It can also seep into electronics or other ship systems causing malfunctions. Even just clean water spraying into the cabin could be dangerous in microgravity.

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TylerE
1 hour ago
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You wouldn’t want to use a regular toilet even if you could, given how tight water margins are. Urine you can reclaim, feces not so much.
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amluto
1 hour ago
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Vacuum flush toilets are common on airplanes, trains, and ships and use a lot less water than a conventional toilet.
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nozzlegear
2 hours ago
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> One piece of feedback from Skylab was that the toilet needed stronger airflow. This meant the Shuttle toilet opening had to be narrow. To practice correctly positioning their body, astronauts on Earth sat on a special training mockup with a camera mounted in the center of the waste tube. A successful docking with the device meant precisely centering one’s nether eye in the crosshairs of a video screen while crewmates looked on and yelled their encouragement.

I knew part of the job for astronauts is being intimate with one's crewmates, but I didn't know it was that intimate.

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remarkEon
1 hour ago
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You could’ve told me this story without the context and I would’ve assumed it was a barracks game being played with surveillance equipment. Hilarious.
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ambicapter
2 hours ago
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Not a great lunch read.
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the_af
2 hours ago
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This story of space toilers clears out many questions I had about spaceflight and... uh, going number 2.

Namely: astronauts try NOT to as much as they can, and when they do go, it's a mess for both them and their crew mates. They suffer through it because being in space is a worthy achievement.

Apparently it's such a mess that NASA estimates this is why astronauts tend to undereat. Apparently Gemini 7's Frank Borman spent 9 days without going number 2 because of this, and planned to hold it in 2 full weeks (the article doesn't clarify whether he managed). Skylab seems to have done some progress, but we're still in the early eras of space toiletry!

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