Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero
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2 days ago
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weli
1 hour ago
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This is pretty dangerous. At least in my country the displayed price must be honored and they cannot refuse the sale.
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rickdeckard
1 hour ago
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Usually the advertised price must be honored, because it may have brought the customer to your store.

For prices displayed on the shelf-label inside the store the law is usually not that strict (YMMV), as a shop-owner can refuse sale on check-out (otherwise I could put a pricetag on e.g. a shopping-basket and the shop-owner would be legally required to sell me the basket...).

Besides, most shops I've seen (in Europe) already moved from Infrared communication to RF (NFC or proprietary), for centralized shelf-label management without handheld devices. So all this study (and the underlying reverse engineering of the IR-protocol) might do is probably accelerate the transition from IR to RF-based ESL...

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gus_massa
26 minutes ago
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I guess they can use the cameras to show you were tampering with the labels and call the police. Somewhat related xkcd https://xkcd.com/1494/
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stavros
1 hour ago
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I am overjoyed to see this story here, we haven't gotten a lot of these hacks lately. Well done!
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encom
31 minutes ago
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Hacks? In my Hacker News? The nerve!
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_joel
8 minutes ago
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Are these hacks or cracks. I'd say the latter.
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voidUpdate
1 hour ago
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I still don't think I've seen an actually useful application for a Flipper Zero. It's all just "use this to change store price tags" or "here's how to disconnect all bluetooth devices", but also "don't actually use this, because it would be illegal, this is just for educational purposes"
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rickdeckard
1 hour ago
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Beside of how the media often tries to present it, the value of Flipper Zero is not for everyone to "become a hacker with this simple app".

Its value is to provide a standardized hardware platform for (white hat) hackers for probing, prototyping, refining and sharing of security research in the fields its hardware supports (Sub-GHz RF, NFC, IR, and custom external boards via simple Input/Output pins).

Prior to that, everyone who wanted to research e.g. RF security had to either build/assemble something custom or buy much more expensive equipment. This created a barrier to collaborate on research, as everyone had to buy/build the same setup.

On top of that, Person A researching some RF topic selected an RF-transceiver from Company X, Person B used a component and a proprietary SDK of Company Y, so consolidating both work streams for a better foundation for all RF-related research required alot of time and effort from someone, breaking workflows of at least one group of researchers, etc.

In contrast, security research which utilizes Flipper Zero can be reproduced and built upon by everyone. All the work is harmonized on the same Hardware architecture, so it's easy for someone familiar with the platform to dive straight into a new idea without having to build a new breadboard, select a chipset, buy additional probing equipment etc.

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kotaKat
40 minutes ago
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I'm tired of the "security research" angle when it's all just kids playing with ESP32 deauther attacks presented to them on a silver platter.

I should not have to put up with children going "JUST SECURE YOUR NETWORKS BRO" because they spent $30 on some eBay "maurauder" dongle to be a pissant.

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rft
15 minutes ago
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And a minority of those kids will get curious about the How and Why. Those are the security nerds of the future securing the networks against both the kids they were themselves and actual malicious actors.

Source: Early interest in wifi security, including in other people's networks, lead me down an education and career in security

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lan321
30 minutes ago
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It's probably good to have kids with no big plans messing with your security now and then. Keeps you on your toes, and you can't really pass it off as an act of god if a teenager pwns you.
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StingyJelly
37 minutes ago
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just secure your networks bro
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OuterVale
1 hour ago
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I use mine for all sorts. I volunteer at a second-hand shop so use it to set up remotes for donated media devices, I've used it to run scripts to apply the same changes to many computers that aren't on a group policy via BadUSB, I've used it for toys-to-life games, and very much more. There are plenty of genuine uses if you're cluey.
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rjh29
1 hour ago
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Turns out it's what they said it was all along, an educational device.
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avian
1 hour ago
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This one provides the source and asks you to build it yourself so at least it has some credibility for the "education use only" claim.

I've seen similar things posted on here before that had a binary build only and zero technical documentation. It was really hard to see any kind of research or education value in those.

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imp0cat
43 minutes ago
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It's a russian device, what exactly did you expect?
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cucumber3732842
1 hour ago
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It's useful for dealing with the industrial equivalent of IOT garbage
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