And in totality, it's not a bad thing - people that would probably have a boring job all their lives otherwise have built their wealth and connections, and the audience has been entertained. But money sucked the fun out of it.
It absolutely is, because everything is adversarial. Every piece of advice is a hidden ad, every friendly person an attempt to lure you into parasocial relations, every teacher a course seller.
We went from a community to normalizing psychopathy.
It seems so innocent. “Just an ad” but the whole influencing industry is kind of a nice word for “manipulation”
When the cost of manipulation is so low, and the repercussions for lying and cheating are not there, everything gets skewed.
Nowadays the vBulletin forums have been replaced by subreddits, the IRC servers by Discord channels etc.
It's concentrated the people all in these few platforms which then gives the platform owners (and subreddit/channel moderators) an incredible amount of power and just made everything feel more homogenous and corporate.
There's benefits to this, but the main con is that now everyone wants everything to look the same and the fun of the internet disappeared. Everything's a product, nothing's an experience.
Now it’s all about dopamine. Lower gutters.
Humans never change so I have hope things will correct and we dream again.
hopefully we'll see something new soon
Do you think this might also be related to recent people’s estrangement from housing?
Housing seems to become a commodity as other things…
I think about that video quite often
This is how I know you're out of touch.
The kids and their memes are alive and well, you just don't know where they are and what that looks like.
Really not sure what GP is referring to - lots of humor still going around - but I can probably guess.
It's pretty clear to me you all are just looking for closure. You do not want to live in the past. You can prove it to yourself by finding any old discussion archive and feeling the cringe. You do not want the values of the past either. You're chasing a feeling that is more related to your own aging than what various media like the internet "are".
Things would have changed anyway. You might just be upset that it wasn't on your terms. You can try to revive old ideas, but that veers into art. Art is very hard and requires a much deeper perspective than nostalgia. The perspective required to create what you want will also necessarily ruin what you expected to feel from it.
A relevant quote: "Everything was better back when everything was worse" - David Sipress, The New Yorker, Nov 24, 2003
As much as I think Google, Facebook etc... should be removed - that view shown in the article is also strange. It assumes that we all had "intentions", all of the time; and now that we don't have those intentions. That's not true.
For instance, searching for news was always one big thing with the old internet too. How old is the BBC website? I am sure it is old. Same with many other websites.
I remember when Wikipedia was founded in 2001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia
That is not necessarily the "old" internet as I would call it, since I refer there more to the 1990s, but still it was at the tail-end. Clearly people had a requirement or need to find articles and read up on staff, already before 2001. But you did not always necessarily have "intentions" all the time. Browser games were quite popular in the late 1990s. Also Java Applet games too. And of course commerce as well, though possibly not as convenient as amazon initially was (before succumbing to the prime slop). Amazon was launched in 1995.
Today's internet has various problems, largely created by, say, youtube owned by Google trying to get people "connected" on the platform 24/7. But we should not have nostalgia kick in too much when looking back at the old internet. There was no "embodied experience" - I would not even know what that should be. It may have been slower but you had broadband connection in the 1990s too, as I had that. I never used model dial-up (though, perhaps very early on ... but for the most part no, just broadband).