Apocalypse Early Warning System
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acidburnNSA
1 hour ago
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I made something like this in like 2007 called Apocalypse Feed. It took in a few factors and aggregated them into a 0-to-100 number that updated and published over RSS. First it pinged debian mirrors around the world and made a map based on mirror city's lat/long: green for online, red for offline. If there was a cluster of red, that part of the world was considered gone. Then it checked space weather data and nearest asteroid, increasing the value if it was looking bad. It scraped news headlines looking for key words like zombie, pandemic, virus, war, bomb, etc. These fed into a pie graph showing what "type" of apocalypse was most likely at any given time.

It was all fun and games until my VPS host banned me for pinging too many people every few mins.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110516084503/http://www.apocal...

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omiliyomami
56 minutes ago
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Oh this is really cool
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palmotea
5 minutes ago
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> In the event of an imminent nuclear apocalypse, we suspect that many people who have access to private jets will immediately take to the skies and escape city centers.

1. I think if nuclear war is actually immanent, your best bet of an early warning is an EAS National/Presidential alert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Alert_System), because I'd hope people with access to actual early-warning sensors would cause one to be sent (while they're getting ready for a second-strike attack).

2. I think the logic behind this is flawed. What's the flight time for an ICBM? 20 minutes if from Russia, and less than that from a submarine? I don't think a billionaire could get to his jet in time, unless he lives on an airstrip like John Travolta. Some might get some early notice if their country planned a first strike (but I doubt it, as loose-lips like that would probably give the enemy notice, too).

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jandrewrogers
1 hour ago
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This has the same issue as many other types of event warning systems based on noisy, incomplete data.

The latency of constructing a semi-reliable warning signal from the data sources described significantly exceeds the latency of event onset. You can modify the algorithms to reduce latency but then the false positive rate skyrockets. Not what you want for an "apocalypse" early warning system.

To mitigate this you need more data from more diverse sources and lower latency feeds.

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PorterBHall
31 minutes ago
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Is it the end of the world or just Davos?
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Rygian
1 hour ago
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I'll ask the obvious: wouldn't the aircraft just take to the skies directly, without bothering with the formality of setting their transponder, if they were knowingly escaping an apocalypse scenario?
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esseph
1 hour ago
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Don't want to get shot down?
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tgrowazay
4 minutes ago
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You won’t get shot down for merely taking off without a transponder.

Worst case scenario a fighter jet will be scrambled to investigate.

But in apocalypse scenario, chances are the fighter jets will be busy with tasks other than enforcing FAA rules.

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wat10000
1 hour ago
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Colliding with other planes is going to impede your escape plan, so it would still be a good idea to turn the thing on. No further action needs to be taken for the ADS-B output to be correct, it works once it's powered on.
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walrus01
1 hour ago
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In a theoretical scenario of the billionaire class of the world having some kind of "advance warning" of the apocalypse, they'd be taking to the air in the hours or several days prior to a total disaster happening. Meaning this would be done while the local governments were ostensibly still functioning, in which case you can't just have your private jet depart without active ADS-B and in-the-clear voice traffic for ground, and air traffic control coordination.

If governments and airspace control have already collapsed, post tense, then of course anything goes.

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decker
1 hour ago
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Fun idea of a metric, but if I'm reading this correctly, we get roughly one apocalypse warning per year?

> Level 5 is calibrated so only the highest daily peak in the trailing year should exceed it.

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roxolotl
6 minutes ago
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Yeah came here to say the same thing. While last year might have been a bit chaotic, this as well, I highly doubt we were as close as it is possible to come to nuclear apocalypse with getting one. This seems like a completely useless metric.
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bottlepalm
43 minutes ago
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Do you think that rich people are on some sort of private 'end of the world' mailing list?
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gyomu
37 minutes ago
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No, but they have spent tens of millions of dollars on a go bag —> helicopter to private jet -> bunker in New Zealand preplanned route and you haven’t.
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lostlogin
27 minutes ago
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Good luck to them. Having Luxon or Peter crawl up their arse on arrival will have them wishing for a fiery death.
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neilv
26 minutes ago
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Good luck to the billionaires in a real collapse scenario, when their security and support staff can decide that the billionaires are counterproductive, and vote them out of the survival bunkers.
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EdwardDiego
1 minute ago
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You didn't include the locals, we're not huge fans of being considered a liferaft by people who have actively worked to make the world worse. And we have a can do spirit (and earthmoving equipment...)
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user2722
22 minutes ago
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You clearly haven't read articles where they said they were pondering all their employees in those bunkers to have explosives in their neck...
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petercooper
32 minutes ago
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Bloomberg Terminal chat?
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beej71
1 hour ago
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There was a Sci-Fi book I read where this was a service provided to rich people. Basically you signed up for it, and you'd get a text when everything was about to go down. Time to drop everything and fly to your bunker.
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andrewla
1 hour ago
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This seems like an area rife for a scam, like hurricane insurance or earthquake insurance. You pocket the money, and when disaster strikes, who is going to sue you when you do nothing? If there was a real bunker-worthy event then all your insurees have been devoured by zombies or dissolved by radioactive strings or whatever.
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aorloff
1 hour ago
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On Polymarket, $60m has been wagered on "Will Jesus return before 2027"

https://polymarket.com/event/will-jesus-christ-return-before...

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2ndorderthought
1 hour ago
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I'll definitely put money on that one around December for a quick return. Thanks for the tip
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ashleyn
1 hour ago
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This is essentially the premise to Fallout, or at least the leadup to it.
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jshier
21 minutes ago
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Also Paradise on Hulu, or at least the setup there as well.
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NunoSempere
1 hour ago
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I have something somewhat similar at <https://blog.sentinel-team.org/>, tracking events that could kill over a million people.
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gambiting
55 minutes ago
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>>we suspect that many people who have access to private jets will immediately take to the skies and escape city centers

Why would that be true? There would never be enough warning to get to the airport and take off anywhere, even if everything else was still working perfectly.

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singpolyma3
1 hour ago
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in case of Apocalypse you think they're all filing flight plans?
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prerok
1 hour ago
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If it's early enough, they would have to. And in case it's a false positive, they would be liable.

All this to say, I actually find the thing hillarious, though. If there's an actual apocalypse a plane will not save you.

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