Egg Intake and the Incidence of Alzheimer's Disease in Adventist Health Study-2
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Stratoscope
2 hours ago
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Full title:

Egg Intake and the Incidence of Alzheimer’s Disease in the Adventist Health Study-2 Cohort Linked with Medicare Data

Via StudyFinds:

Eating Eggs Regularly May Significantly Slash Alzheimer’s Risk

https://studyfinds.com/eating-eggs-regularly-may-significant...

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staticassertion
1 hour ago
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Maybe a sort of interesting study but it's observational and full of speculative mechanistic fluff, and I don't think it controls well enough. We're kinda past the point of egg studies, just study the mechanisms speculated on in an intervention study, right?
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krona
1 hour ago
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> ...adjusting for other dietary factors, demographic variables, lifestyle behaviors, and comorbidities.

They give the data for the specific factors. What is the missing variable which explains their result?

Daily hours of sunlight? Average number of sudoku completions per day?

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staticassertion
52 minutes ago
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Sort of obvious, like dietary differences? They attempt a specific vegan control, but what if you aren't vegan but also dislike the taste of meat? What if you don't have a diagnosed health condition, but have a family history so you avoid eggs?

This isn't that complicated. Observational studies just have these weaknesses. We're past the point of observation here, as I said, and it's time to try intervention testing.

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krona
24 minutes ago
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FWIW The lowest hazard ratio they came up with in both their models was 5+ eggs/wk + 1 portion (14g) nuts/seeds per day.

The study wasn't about veganism so it isn't as useful as other finer-grained dietary patterns or intake variables which they account for.

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neaden
40 minutes ago
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Keep in mind this is also a study of Seventh Day Adventists who while not required to be vegetarians are encouraged to be and are going to have a high rate of meat consumption.
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bell-cot
2 hours ago
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Caveat:

> Funding [...] The analyses in this study were supported by an investigator-initiated grant from the American Egg Board. [...]

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ks2048
56 minutes ago
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deflator
2 hours ago
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That's all I need to see to stop reading the study. Sponsored science is just noise.
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b00ty4breakfast
1 hour ago
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it's not necessarily the case that it's junk science, but it is absolutely beyond the capabilities of a normal person or persons to winnow out the chaff.
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akramachamarei
19 minutes ago
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Wow, ad hominem reasoning as a principal for info consumption. I ought to shake your hand. In all seriousness, I can appreciate the time-economic value to your policy, but wouldn't regard it is as an epistemic device.
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vixen99
50 minutes ago
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It's claimed that around 90% of Americans are choline deficient. Eggs are one the best nutritional sources for choline. There are several papers linking low choline levels with Altzheimer disease so it would not be surprising to find a link between egg consumption and Altzheimer incidence. Sponsored studies should indeed be treated with much caution but is anyone suggesting such authors invent positive results or ignore highly inconvenient results? Such behavior would be reprehensible and not something with which a researcher would wish to be associated.
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light_hue_1
1 hour ago
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Virtually all the drugs you take, interventions, cancer treatments, etc. are based on such science.

Almost everything we have in modern medicine is.

This whole position is nonsense. The paper stands on its own.

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jmull
1 hour ago
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Your logic is, "nothing's perfect so everything is equally good (or bad)".

Which is not true in this case.

For better and sometimes worse, the process through which medical drugs and procedures come to market, including studies and trials, is heavily regulated.

The Egg Board, however, is free to choose whichever studies to fund they prefer, and will gravitate to ones likely to show the positive effects of eggs and avoid ones likely to show the opposite.

The content of the paper may be entirely legitimate, but it still actually tells us nothing about whether we should eat more eggs or not.

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thayne
1 hour ago
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And that's a problem. The best case scenario is it biases published results for things that benefit the sponsors. But there is certainly some amount of fraud including fabricated data, misinterpreted or exaggerated conclusions, suppressed research that isn't what the sponsor wants, etc.
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dennis_jeeves2
1 hour ago
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>Virtually all the drugs you take, interventions, cancer treatments, etc. are based on such science.

So it's 'science' done wrong. The implications are that most drugs are useless if not outright harmful.

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dlcarrier
1 hour ago
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They didn't fund the health study, they funded this paper to point out the positive data in the study.

There's two way to bias independent research through funding. The most nefarious is to fund a whole bunch of research, and only publish the favored results. By ignoring enough failed attempts, it's even possible to get false-positive successes, through random chance. (Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/882/)

The second way is to only fund research that is likely to be favorable. E.g. if you sell vitamin supplements, you only fund research on people with bad diets, but not people who eat healthy diets that likely aren't affected by supplements.

In this case, it's leaning so far into the latter, that it's just pointing out positive research that someone else found.

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pcrh
56 minutes ago
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The source of funding is not the only suspicious thing...

From the actual study, which is free to read [0]:

>Dietary intake was assessed at baseline using a validated, self-administered FFQ that included >200 food items

So out of 200 potential associations, eggs were the winner? See this famous xkcd: Green jelly beans linked to acne.[1]

[0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002231662...

[1] https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/882:_Significant

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hallole
1 hour ago
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LMAO, good catch. And I was about to look into it further!
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croes
1 hour ago
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Off topic: is it just me or did Cloudflare‘s human check become incredibly slow?
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8cvor6j844qw_d6
14 minutes ago
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> Cloudflare‘s human check become incredibly slow

Usually bearable (~10 seconds wait and usually requires click), but some sites have a short expiry. Means you get hit with the check repeatedly while browsing the same site, which is more annoying than the initial check itself.

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the_sleaze_
1 hour ago
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Slow and ubiquitous. Cloudflare is apparently 90% of the sites I browse...
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SirFatty
1 hour ago
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And AdBlock Plus interferes with it, so I have to pause blocking to even see the human check dealio.
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